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Q: Japan isn't sorry enough...says China
-Well Japan is sorry enough...
Nuked, occupied, haven't been in a war for 70 years, and a major humanitarian on the world stage, and yet, they aren't sorry enough.
-Abe, wisely, has said enough of this bull, and asks how long can a county apologize for the actions of the great grandparents?
-Honestly, China and Korea need to grow up, and stop being a little cry baby. Poland doesn't have a huge anti-German feeling, although they lost a massive amount of people due to World War 2.
-China wants revenge, not justice. There were war crime trials. Japanese WERE executed. Other's had prison sentences. Everybody is dead now.
-Israel isn't always screaming at Merkel, and France isn't asking Germany for money...Don't keep saying Japan never said sorry...there is a long. long list of apologies.
In my opinion, the official propaganda machine keeps up the hate machine against japan as a way to keep local minds occupied and do not develop a hate for the leadership. After 70+ years, it is about time to tone it down a few notches, many locals are already getting "indiference", some ask me questions about it, but I do not talk three subjects with locals, and political issues is one of them.
Just like next month celebration in Beijing, 70 years of the defeat by Chinese Army of Japan.the surrender of the Japanese forces in China after their defeat. If my history readings are correct, Japanese soldiers in China surrender locally to Chinese forces because there was no other choice. But which Chinese forces?. In 1945, nationalistic forces were still in power, and were not defeated by Mao until 1949. So, present local Army had nothing to do with the surrender. This celebration should be held by Taiwan, not China.
Shining_brow:
As you hinted at, but didn't outrightly say - the Chinese didn't defeat anyone! They just got the surrender because everyone else did. You can bet your boots there'll be almost NO mention of the US, or Australia, or India, or Burma, or Malay, or Borneo, or Indonesians or... (yeah, you get the hint), and definitely not the Philippines in all the "celebrations"!!!
DrMonkey:
A few days ago, I saw mentions of the Burma campaign on CCTV. They didn't speak much of who trained the troops, who armed the troops, and who commanded them. The old classical WTF episode of the KMT troops sent byt plane *naked* to India for training, so that they get new uniforms for free, definitely not mentioned. But their victories, hell yeah. Flying Tigers ? The Hump ? Nope, nope, nope, noooooppppe. All glory to the Hypnotoad.
In my opinion, the official propaganda machine keeps up the hate machine against japan as a way to keep local minds occupied and do not develop a hate for the leadership. After 70+ years, it is about time to tone it down a few notches, many locals are already getting "indiference", some ask me questions about it, but I do not talk three subjects with locals, and political issues is one of them.
Just like next month celebration in Beijing, 70 years of the defeat by Chinese Army of Japan.the surrender of the Japanese forces in China after their defeat. If my history readings are correct, Japanese soldiers in China surrender locally to Chinese forces because there was no other choice. But which Chinese forces?. In 1945, nationalistic forces were still in power, and were not defeated by Mao until 1949. So, present local Army had nothing to do with the surrender. This celebration should be held by Taiwan, not China.
Shining_brow:
As you hinted at, but didn't outrightly say - the Chinese didn't defeat anyone! They just got the surrender because everyone else did. You can bet your boots there'll be almost NO mention of the US, or Australia, or India, or Burma, or Malay, or Borneo, or Indonesians or... (yeah, you get the hint), and definitely not the Philippines in all the "celebrations"!!!
DrMonkey:
A few days ago, I saw mentions of the Burma campaign on CCTV. They didn't speak much of who trained the troops, who armed the troops, and who commanded them. The old classical WTF episode of the KMT troops sent byt plane *naked* to India for training, so that they get new uniforms for free, definitely not mentioned. But their victories, hell yeah. Flying Tigers ? The Hump ? Nope, nope, nope, noooooppppe. All glory to the Hypnotoad.
Yeah it's a little over the top. Terrible things were done, but they were done by people who just don't exist anymore.
Anytime you look at justifying hate you need to be looking at what purpose it serves. I'm not shitting on hate either, there are times of war, man made emergency, or even just a shitty selfish attitude that needs to be stamped out where hate is sensible to fell. Like people who think it's cool to go shoot endangered animals, it serves a purpose to hate him and make that guys life living hell because it might stop the next guy from doing it and save a species. Or if you think you're going to be invaded and you need to steel your people for the struggle.
But for China, Japan is not today a big military superpower. They don't have a big army massing and talk about seizing manchuria again. Hating them would make sense if they were doing that. But they aren't. I'm sure that Japan leadership is much more afraid of China than the reverse.
So promoting hatred is just a way of focusing anger on something further afield and it's obnoxious.
It also kinda helps justify shitty things that your team does. It's ok for us to do some nasty shit because somebody else did it. China is the world's victim, so we can victimize others because it's fair that way. We're just balancing out the books.
China's track record on apologies isn't too great, either!
Is there something in particular that Abe has done that I missed? (recently??) Link?
Proproganda everywhere... as mentioned by the top. The fear and hate mongering is a form of control to distract from the country's current issues. Not to mention the amount of media dedicate to the topic (movies, books, news etc.)
It's nice to see the younger chinese eager to travel to Japan though
If Japan ever excused loud and clear for absolutely every horror during the WWII, with a great reckoning back home (ie. their school books have interesting interpretations and omissions)... China would loose a very useful and very powerful political leverage. It will never be sorry enough, as much there won't be any apologies and public reckoning for the Greap Leap Forward (the good old "Mao was 70% right and 30% wrong") and further 100% home-made tragic shenanigans. In China, history is first a political tool, then, eventually, a rigorous and exhaustive research work.
Shining_brow:
To be fair, you'd be hard-pressed to find any where that had a full and complete version of that nation's history...
DrMonkey:
Yes, by definition, history is an ever-running research work. But at some point, the accumulation of research stabilize around a tight enough consensus. Also, yes, you gotta simplify things in school books and documentaries, and you compensate exhaustivity with bias. However, we speak here of complete omission of unglorious national episodes that affected millions of people. I was taught about slavery, self-defeating national policies, colonies and colonial wars, it was quite abridged, but it was mentionned with enough lengths to make you understand it wasn't a short glitch. And that was back in the 80's/90's. Also, there's no censorship of "touchy" topics like war crimes on the Allies side for example, the books are printed and available in any good bookstore. Contrast that with China.
RiriRiri:
Yeah but the problem is that an historian work, by usual standards, is expected to be observations made from educated deductions based on cross referenced documents, records, minutes and whatnot.
In ancient China, the standard for an historian work is to be full of dragons, witches, magic and spells and lots and lots of superlatives about anything irrelevant.
Just in case you still assumed this nation's problem with looking at facts dated from this regime.
...Yes they are sorry as hell. This is political rhetoric. Unless you've been to Japan or speak Japanese, it's best to button it up, friend.
