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Q: Left v Right insults... the best you have seen online?
There was a time in China , when to be called a leftist or a rightist was bad.
Putting that aside.. as a bit of fun... your best derogatory term for the other side. Poker style..
I start....as a libtard.... fecking knuckle dragers......
Please insult back ... lets escallate the name calling... cockwombles
Instead of validating and encouraging the conservatives' go-to defense, of concocting clever insults to discredit and/or dismiss opponents rather than discussing the substance, why not try the opposite?
I prefer to start with a positive message, stating that I find a lot of Conservative positions ethically defensible (gun ownership, no immigration, gay marriage or abortion, death penalty, lower taxes, less regulations etc.), but I lament how nobody in politics is trying to make a good case for those arguments.
I'd love to debate substance with conservatives, and I feel they should be able to stand their ground in discussion. But in practice, it always reverts to dodging behaviour and dishonest arguments. Just look at the warped stuff ambivalentmace posted, with the obligatory, trademark rallying cry of attacking Obama (damn there's some butthurt white people who just can't let go of the fact a half-black guy was president a year ago). I think because conservatives are less open-minded and more disgruntled, it's easier to score points with the voter base by confirming and hardening worldviews, than engaging in seemingly wishy-washy debate of the actual substance.
Reality is often less clear than our sensitive egos are willing to acknowledge. Sadly, conservatives are less in touch with this fact because they engage in insults rather than debates.
ambivalentmace:
Those are quotes from someone else, I never mention what's his name except when the black savior of the world's policies are affecting the present affairs. Hussein is gone. He was a bad nightmare that i lived in China to miss, but I will never forgive the Americans who voted for him. That's why I really don't want to go back. Also, there is not a progressive on the face of the earth that could win a debate against Ted Cruz or Ben Shapiro. It would be a blood bath, since the left only use insults.
Shining_brow:
I totally agree with you Coin!
I can't have an intelligent debate with a conservative. They always decline quickly into ad hominem, red herrings, strawman, and just plain ignorant opinion. All along with healthy doses of hyperbole (to an exaggerated level) and seriously flawed slippery slopes (like those above).
You've mentioned a few topics that should be open to discussion... and yet, not going to happen!
coineineagh:
@ambi: It goes to show how little appreciation it gets them from conservatives, if Ted Cruz and Ben Shapiro are indeed such fine debaters. All I know, is that they are widely and universally regarded as pricks. That includes conservatives' consensus opinion about them. The hateful, reactionary words about Obama all the time are a pitiful display of deep insecurity. And as a foreigner, I thought of Obama as a worthy representative for the USA, but hardly a "messiah". Any progressive with their heads screwed on tightly would judge him by his achievements, which were underwhelming in the end from a progresive point of view. He was too much of the typical American symbolism (being black equals progressive achievement - not IMO), and too little substance (he kowtowed to conservative agendas like a begging whore; it made no difference that a Democrat was in office, the GOP got what they wanted anyway, as well as being able to play victim). You need to get over your irrational victim mentality; Obama didn't rape you or your country. On the topic of molesting your mighty-fine country, though, is it biased to say Obama did a better job than your current Alpha-toddler-in-chief?
Mark Steyn is the master of this artistic expression of cut downs. Check out his you tube videos to see how a concierge of refined insults truly operates.
ambivalentmace:
https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/16987.Mark_Steyn
here's a sample for laughs, don't drink expensive Scotch while reviewing the guys work and choke and spit it out, it's a shameful waste of good booze.
ambivalentmace:
“Her Majesty's government is engaging not merely in Orwellian Newspeak but in self-defeating Orwellian Newspeak. The broader message it sends is that ours is a weak culture so unconfident and insecure that if you bomb us and kill us our first urge is to find a way to flatter and apologize to you.”"
Terrorismambivalentmace:
Abraham Lincoln, a predecessor of Barack Obama in both the White House and the Illinois state legislature, had eighteen months of formal education and became a soldier, surveyor, postmaster, rail-splitter, tavern keeper, and self-taught prairie lawyer. Obama went to Occidental College, Columbia University, and Harvard Law School, and became a "community organizer." I'm not sure that's progress--and it's certainly not "sustainable.”" elite snobs
ambivalentmace:
Faced with public discontent about the statist agenda, the Condescendi look out the window at the unlovely mob in their "Don't treat on me" T-shirts and sneer, "The peasants are revolting." You oppose illegal immigration? You're a xenophobe. Gay marriage? Homophobe. The Ground Zero mosque? Islamaphobe. If that's the choice, I'd rather be damned as a racist and sexist. The evolution from -isms to phobias is part of the medicalization of dissent: the Conformicrats simply declare your position as a form of mental illness.”"
social justice warriorsambivalentmace:
Somewhere along the way these countries [EU] redefined the relationship between government and citizen into something closer to pusher and addict. And, once you've done that, it's very hard to persuade the addict to cut back his habit. Thus, the general acceptance everywhere but America is that the state should run your health care. A citizen of an advanced democracy expects to be able to choose from dozens of breakfast cereals, hundreds of movies at the video store, and millions of porno sites on the Internet, but when it comes to life-or-death decisions about his own body he's happy to have the choice taken out of his hands and given to the government.”"
health careIndeed, if I understand this global-warming business correctly, the danger is that the waters will rise and drown the whole of Massachusetts, New York City, Long Island, the California coast and a few big cities on the Great Lakes - in other words, every Democratic enclave will be wiped out leaving only the solid Republican heartland. Politically speaking, for conservatives there's no downside to global warming."
Sometimes he gives out too much information, let's keep that a secret.
ambivalentmace:
If you took every single penny that Warren Buffett has, it'd pay for 4-1/2 days of the US government. This tax-the-rich won't work. The problem here is the government is way bigger than even the capacity of the rich to sustain it. The Buffett Rule would raise $3.2 billion a year, and take 514 years just to pay off Obama's 2011 budget deficit."
Taxes and Debt
Instead of validating and encouraging the conservatives' go-to defense, of concocting clever insults to discredit and/or dismiss opponents rather than discussing the substance, why not try the opposite?
I prefer to start with a positive message, stating that I find a lot of Conservative positions ethically defensible (gun ownership, no immigration, gay marriage or abortion, death penalty, lower taxes, less regulations etc.), but I lament how nobody in politics is trying to make a good case for those arguments.
I'd love to debate substance with conservatives, and I feel they should be able to stand their ground in discussion. But in practice, it always reverts to dodging behaviour and dishonest arguments. Just look at the warped stuff ambivalentmace posted, with the obligatory, trademark rallying cry of attacking Obama (damn there's some butthurt white people who just can't let go of the fact a half-black guy was president a year ago). I think because conservatives are less open-minded and more disgruntled, it's easier to score points with the voter base by confirming and hardening worldviews, than engaging in seemingly wishy-washy debate of the actual substance.
Reality is often less clear than our sensitive egos are willing to acknowledge. Sadly, conservatives are less in touch with this fact because they engage in insults rather than debates.
ambivalentmace:
Those are quotes from someone else, I never mention what's his name except when the black savior of the world's policies are affecting the present affairs. Hussein is gone. He was a bad nightmare that i lived in China to miss, but I will never forgive the Americans who voted for him. That's why I really don't want to go back. Also, there is not a progressive on the face of the earth that could win a debate against Ted Cruz or Ben Shapiro. It would be a blood bath, since the left only use insults.
Shining_brow:
I totally agree with you Coin!
I can't have an intelligent debate with a conservative. They always decline quickly into ad hominem, red herrings, strawman, and just plain ignorant opinion. All along with healthy doses of hyperbole (to an exaggerated level) and seriously flawed slippery slopes (like those above).
You've mentioned a few topics that should be open to discussion... and yet, not going to happen!
coineineagh:
@ambi: It goes to show how little appreciation it gets them from conservatives, if Ted Cruz and Ben Shapiro are indeed such fine debaters. All I know, is that they are widely and universally regarded as pricks. That includes conservatives' consensus opinion about them. The hateful, reactionary words about Obama all the time are a pitiful display of deep insecurity. And as a foreigner, I thought of Obama as a worthy representative for the USA, but hardly a "messiah". Any progressive with their heads screwed on tightly would judge him by his achievements, which were underwhelming in the end from a progresive point of view. He was too much of the typical American symbolism (being black equals progressive achievement - not IMO), and too little substance (he kowtowed to conservative agendas like a begging whore; it made no difference that a Democrat was in office, the GOP got what they wanted anyway, as well as being able to play victim). You need to get over your irrational victim mentality; Obama didn't rape you or your country. On the topic of molesting your mighty-fine country, though, is it biased to say Obama did a better job than your current Alpha-toddler-in-chief?
direct insults on progressives, let's see
If you had one more brain cell, it would be lonely.
Mirrors can't talk, luckily for you, they can't laugh either.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/huppke/ct-libtard-huppke-20161229-story.html
sorry alan, libtard should be libturd, the chicago democratic mafia says it's too insensitive.
ambivalentmace:
dirtbag gaseous garbage peddling nut job
damn, i like this one, From the article, to bad i can't take the credit for it.
diverdude1:
yeah,, haha,, I don't even like flying, but I guess I really am an Adrenaline Junky, cuz I would've liked to been on that Takeoff!
Q: is there such a thing as an extreme leftist or rightist?
Cos, it seems that if someone takes a stance, then they're automatically pushed to the extreme edges, and then their viewpoints are completely ignored because of that.
Stiggs:
I think you're bang on there.
You're either a dumb fuck uneducated redneck or a PC libtard commie.
Any perceived, or real criticism towards either side's current idea or media drama just gets you thrown into one side or the other. No side wants to hear "well I voted for ___ and generally support them but I really disagree with what they're doing here.
It's like Chinese wu maos saying something like 'you're against China because you don't like the pollution in Beijing'.
diverdude1:
yep, I think I am an extreme Leftist (abortion on demand), Rightist (Open carry), and Middleist. In fact I bet most people are that way about a lot of things. It's just that people love to argue and Prove they are right. haha,,, ask any kid a question in class,,, what do they say.? 'I know.' It's just human nature.
I actually like what Heh Zus seemed to say.... 'go along and get along',,, or something like that...
ambivalentmace:
My problem with left or right, is no one goes back later to see if it worked,and most of the time they say they did not do enough is the reason it failed.
I have never seen a real examination of a failed policy, both sides will find some way to blame the other and you never as a concerned citizen no if you being fleeced for something that was totally a waste of your hard earned money.
If it's the right wasting money on wars or the left social safety net that hasn't lowered the poverty rate from the same numbers they were 65 years ago.
Absolutely no one is held accountable for anything.
Good answers. I am humbled by the quality of conversation. You guys are way above my league when it comes to debate.
Since I posted this question I have been occupied with fighting the right. The ignorant right I mean.
Sensible left center and right can discuss ratther than insult. This thread is a testament to that.
Wow. Thanks guys. A question posted in fustration produces results that incubates hope.
This week, I have been told to fuck off to North Korea 3 times. It really fucks up the brainwashed anti socialist right when they cant say fuck off to china to a guy living in China. Go figure.
ambivalentmace:
China will invade soon, North Korea will be better off and the people want be hungry and living in the early 20th century anymore and Trump has already cut the deal. The American navy will port in Taiwan and the CCP will continue to mouth off but not do anything to the island. This is a done deal since the meeting last summer in Florida. Reagan tried to cut the same deal in 1983 and the CCP refused, now as to whether they actually keep their word on the deal, that's a whole different story. Trump might actually like them trying to screw the deal so he can raise tariffs and change the status of "most favored" for trade, if the tax cuts don't work, the tariffs will come next. Also, China needs a good victory to look good for the world and respect from the neighbors, lifting 40 million people out of an oppressive regime and poverty is great PR for the nation against cries of bullying by the neighbors. It really is a great plan and leaves Russia looking like the guy standing outside the bar and was not allowed in for a drink.
