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Q: Multiculturalism has failed .

With many western leaders now admitting that the longstanding policy of multiculturalism was an outright failure and under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we have encouraged different cultures to live separate lives, apart from each other and the mainstream....I  cant help wondering, with the anti-foreign sentiment growing in China over the last few weeks, if it is merely a way for them to curb generations of pain and internal conflict that have been or will be experienced in the West. What are your thoughts????

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Multiculturalism has not failed across the board. The far right and left always make electoral gains in times of economic adversity, it's one of the basic 'laws' of politics. I come from a part of the UK (Scotland) where the devolved government actively seeks to encourage foreign nationals to live and work there. Hell, it's no utopia but it's working fairly well in my opinion.

 

The situation in China is quite different. It is not a nation of immigrants, nor is it the Mother country of a faded colonial hegemony. It has NEVER been exposed to cultural diversity (accepting some coastal cities) and makes it difficult for outsiders to integrate. Even those territories China has which are not ethnically Han have very little representation (if any) at the government level (including local).

 

Then, I'm biased by virtue of being a firm believer in the whole 'unity in diversity' thing.

fish79:

An interesting and well thought-out perspective. Having foreign nationals live and work in your country has little to do with multiculturalism and when I was speaking of China I was referring more to the future China not so much past or present. Thumbs up! got me thinking.

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GuilinRaf:

I kinda like the Borg. Assimilation, integration, employment, full medical, etc. 

Whats not to like!?

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Multiculturalism has failed?  News to me.  Your suggestion that people living their lives outside of the mainstream is somehow bad is ridiculous to me.  What a boring life if everyone and their neighbor was the same.

 

Growing up, we were Jewish, my brothers best friends were Indian and Black while my best friends were Chinese and Polish.  All great people.  Just because people are different races, doesn't mean they live seperate lives.  That's a silly assumption.

 

And I'd take the occasional hurt feelings and rare violence from race relations over a population of isolated, ignorant of the outside, inbred people any day. 

 

(note:  that last remark is not intended as a poke to any country, it's just what would happen if a country decided to become isolationist)

fish79:

"Your suggestion that people living their lives outside of the mainstream is somehow bad is ridiculous to me" At what point was this suggested in my post. Just seems like a typical ill-thought out left wing response.Try to keep up with what is happening in the world. you in no way answered the question that was asked.

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tmestep8:

you asked if it's worth going through the pain to gain the enlightenment of multiculturalism.  I said yes.

 

Checked CNN, Obama hasn't denounced multiculturalism yet ...

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fish79:

No, you quoted things that had happened when you where growing up, and even though your response was as well thought out as pre- pubescent boy's, I take it you may be older. Since then, there have been many changes in the world, such as mass immigration. I have posted a link to a forum you may feel more comfortable posting on with the likes of Justin Bieber: http://www.teenspot.com

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tmestep8:

You're right, mass immigration is a recent phenomenon, never before seen in the history of the world. I couldn't have possibly reaped it's benefits my entire goddamn life.

 

I'm suggesting that the first friends you make in life make a lasting impression.  If you don't meet a foreigner until you're 30, you're going to have some assumptions.

 

Hope you don't fall off your high horse.  Sorry you never had a childhood.

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Multiculture has failed,i am British and in my country its a sad state,in some areas its like Pakistan,some India Poland,people do not mix.We are all different and instead of saying we are all the same,we should have a big war get it over with?Not really but if we did?Would the world be better 100 or 200 years from now

kchur:

You know, you Brits always say that, and I was fairly willing to believe it till I actually spent a few months in Britain.

 

Compared to Canada, even the most immigrant-heavy neighbourhoods are so white they bleached my friggin eyes. The most Pakistani neighbourhoods would be considered total crackerville here. Stop your whinging, man.

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To be honest, I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say. This is supposed to pertain to China, right? But the only multiculturalism in China has to do with their own minorities, not us foreigners. We aren't even part of the equation. Barely anyone can become a citizen here. They're not even trying, and as for their minorities, sure, they claim their dances and songs for themselves, and use them as traditional entertainment, but is that really multiculturalism? They're not trying to curb anything because there's nothing to curb. We are foreigners here, and we will always be foreigners here, even if we married one of the locals and became a citizen, we would still be foreigners in anyone's eyes, and most likely, so would our children. At this time, there is no way to integrate. So I guess you could say multiculturalism hasn't failed because there wasn't any to start with. 

fish79:

Interesting  but i think i may be as confused with your answer as you are with my post.surprise

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GuilinRaf:

And even the minorities, there is resentment here as in the US with the local version of affirmative Action, etc.

I dont see China becoming a multi cultural country any time soon, there is just not any desire for it. Look how they react if you say you miss the food of your hometown. They get offended or surprised that anyone could possibly want to eat something that is not Chinese cuisine.

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I'm not sure that I accept your premise here. Do you mean to suggest that the fact that groups of people will self select voids the notion of having a multi-cultural society can benefit a nation's culture as a whole? This strikes me as a very European idea that I'll admit that I've never fully understood, and I'd appreciate it if some of posters from GB would elaborate a little more on what Cameron, Merkel, and Sarkozy have been saying. I mean does David Cameron really think that he can substitute St. George's day for Jihad? It can't be that simple and the idea itself seems  ridiculous in every single way.

 

In North America we've had wave after wave of immigrants come to our shores for well over a hundred years and each group contributed something of value to our culture as a whole. The Chinese-Americans, for instance, built a lot of our infrastructure and then settled into communities in our majors cities. Today many of these neighborhoods still maintain large populations of Chinese immigrants and they are absolutely wonderful places to visit.

 

In the US we even give tax breaks to immigrants that come to open their own businesses. For the most part, these groups conduct themselves fairly well. I spent a large amount of time during my childhood in Dearborn, Michigan, which has the largest middle eastern population in the US, and West Bloomfield, which is a neighboring suburb with a very large Jewish population, and from everything I saw these groups seemed to get a long fairly well.

 

About China, I'd say that many here are concerned about westernization, but I feel that those concerns are unfounded. Look at Hong Kong. It was in direct contact with the west for a very long time, and is better for it but still unmistakably Chinese.

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I live in the most multicultural city on the planet and there's no problems. That may be because Canada takes a mosaic approach in which people are encouraged to keep their culture instead of insisting people become Canadian. 

It seems the only people who say it fails are crusty old conservatives who don't like cooking smells.

Tapwater:

It is because Canada is a damn nice place. Also because you learn how to sew the Maple leaf in school.

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  1. Persichilli: The failed promise of multiculturalism - thestar.com

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    7 Nov 2010 – Policy has not served Canada or immigrants well. ... Persichilli: The failed promise of multiculturalism ... Canadian multiculturalism vs. German ...
  2. 'The Canadian multicultural model has failed' - National Review Online

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    8 Feb 2011 – Daniel Foster writes on NRO: Reacting to David Cameron's Luton Munich speech, one prominent Canadian community leader said Cameron ...
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    17 Oct 2010 – Multiculturalism has “utterly failed... Multiculturalism in Canada .... through the heart that is the failed policy of multiculturalism once and for all.
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    16 Feb 2011 – Mahfooz A. Kanwar is an Emeritus professor at Mount Royal College and the author of Journey To Success. In April of 2009, he appeared on ...
  5. Multiculturalism will fail: Tarek Fatah | Toronto & GTA | News ...

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    7 Feb 2011 – "The Canadian multicultural model has failed, as the British model has," said Fatah. "When first generation (Muslims) are more loyal to Canada ...
  6. Multiculturalism has failed Britain -- and Canada - The Sudbury Star ...

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    7 May 2011 – In the thin-skinned world of multiculturalism-- Utopian dream that has failed like all Utopian dreams -- it is not surprising that British Prime...
  7. Failure of Multiculturalism and Western Canada - YouTube

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    Western Canadian Separatist Douglas Christie discusses the failure of multiculturalism in Canada and its ...
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    Canadian Multiculturalism: Global Anxieties and Local Debates

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    widespread perception that multiculturalism has failed, and Canada has not been immune to these rising global anxieties. A number of commentators have ...
  10. Kirpan ban puts Canada on brink of multiculturalism debate no one ...

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    11 Feb 2011 – Kirpan ban puts Canada on brink of multiculturalism debate no one wants ... Chancellor Angela Merkel in declaring multiculturalism a failure.

 

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nevermind:

Care to explain how cherry picking a few articles and blog posts from amatuer wannabee columnists in which there's a conflict of cultures constitutes a "failure" 

 

Cause I live here and I grew up here, and it's all fine. 

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mattsm84:

I like how you pointed out this is something that gets thrown around by crusty conservatives, then he goes ahead and makes your point for you by  presenting a list of articles written by crusty conservatives.

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fish79:

My question was not about the USA or Canada, why north Americana’s are so self absorbed that it must always be about them?

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GuilinRaf:

Um, the Canadians Chimed in too...

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mattsm84:

It's not that we're self centered, its just that we've been at it for a lot longer. Rather than flipping out about something that you're not going to be able to stop, why don't you try to calm down and learn how other countries have dealt with it for over a hundred years at this point?

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nevermind:

You said multiculturalism has failed. From where I am from, it has not. So if you want to get specific, get specific. But don't get bitter after the fact. 

 

ALso, seriously a Brit complaining we're self absorbed? Give me a break. 

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fish79:

1 not a brit 2 explaining myself to yet another Canadian on a fake degree teaching the ABC in China is redundant.

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nevermind:

Well, I no longer live in China, was not an English teacher and work as a journalist. So...explain away.

 

Oh wait, you can't cause you're a grissle head. Or where is it you say you're from?

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Errrrr, where's your proof that multiculturalism has failed???

fish79:

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Just because there are occasional scandalous news stories doesn't mean that there is actually a significant problem with multiculturalism.

 

If anything, the real problem is elitism.

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I would not say it has failed, just that it is experiencing "growing pains".  It really was not until the late 20th Century that we began  to live in a multi-cultural environment where we tried to put them all on equal footing (unlike the multi cultural experience under colonial rule).  As such, when some of those cultures clash, it can be uncomfortable and that is where the tension arises.

I see this like being in kindergarten. When we were toddlers, we were the center of attention for all the adults in out lives. Yet, once we began school, we had to "share" the attention and we had to learn to play together, share toys, decide which story to hear, etc. Sometimes we got our way, sometimes not.

Same thing happening here.  We grow up secure in the knowledge that "our culture" and "our religion or disbelief"  is the "right one". But now, we have to share with others who feel just as strongly about their beliefs which may be different and even opposite to ours.  If this is new for us, it can be difficult.

I represented the government once, in a case involving a prison, so the other attorneys wanted to examine the Chaplains.  We were trying to set up a date for depositions but were finding it very hard.  Because all of us had a heavy workload, we were unable to take the depo during  our regular "business hours" but we could not agree on the day of the weekend since two led services on Saturday  and the other four on Sunday.  What we eventually had to do was meet on Tuesday and Thursday nights fro the next two weeks, from 7 pm to 11:30 for the depositions.  Yes, it was a real pain in the butt, however, it had to be done. This respected every ones beliefs and no one imposed anything on the rest. Just like in kindergarten. You learn to compromise and find solutions.

Now, expand that to ALL the cultures on the planet, living together.  We still need to "sort it out" and it will take time.  To say that multiculturalism has failed or succeeded at this point in time is premature.

In regards to Multiculturalism and China, well, it is going to be much harder here for them.

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I should ad it sure didn't feel like it was failing when I was at the local Asian night market last weekend. Tons of people of all races eating the street food and browsing the merch... I can't BELIEVE a race riot didn't break out!

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