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Q: New Visa Regulations, no bachelor degree?

So I wonder if anyone has experienced this already:

The general rule is that if you don't have a bachelors, you are not allowed to work in china.

 

well I am in a fairly high position but I have not a bachelors (something similar but a little lower than that...). Just wonder if this will give me big trouble next year.

I know english teachers have a lot of trouble this year but I am not teaching english and curious if the visa stuff also carries over to all the other professions.

 

some input of someone who experienced it first hand would be great

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What Iron said .... web linkage with scoring calculator on the bottom:

 

https://ins-globalconsulting.com/chinas-new-work-visa/

 

Quick read through text ... type B card must...:

- Holds a bachelor’s degree and has two years’ work experience in a certain field;

- A Foreign language teacher who teaches their native language and holds a bachelor’s degree in a country where the primary language is your native language. They also must possess at least two years of teaching experience (those with a bachelor’s degree in a teaching or language-related field, or a TEFL certificate are exempt from this).

'Contact Us' on the link for an advice from pros ...

icnif77:

From the link:

 

Recent requirement changes:

 

This is the most recent update to the visa regulations.

As of mid-July 2016, the new requirements are:

1. Applicants must submit all original documents including: Working Reference Letter and University Diploma

2. Employers must be verified before they can apply for work permits for foreign employees (as stated above)

3.  Employers and their company must have a registered business office or address

4. There will be an increased supervision towards Business/Tourist visa holders who are illegally working in Shanghai.

Previously applicants could bring their Scanned copies of the Working Reference Letter and University Diploma are no longer accepted. Now, the originals must be turned in at the time of application. Applicants should take note and bring these documents with them from their home country. There are many young expats in Shanghai who choose to work while on a business/tourist/student visa. These new changes are designed to root out those who choose to work in Shanghai without a proper visa.

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July 2016? I can tell you from July 2017 that you don’t need a degree for non-teaching jobs as long as you pass on the points system. 

 

What I’m still looking for, and not seeing, is Dom87 telling where his rumour came from. 

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icnif77:

Yeah, we'll see if we'll get OP's reply, but Internet is blank on that statement/rumour. I was guessing yesterday, OP was probably reading web links about new working regulation for laowai in China.

Most of the websites describe requirement for an 'English teaching job'. I found only one link with short passage on 'other professions&no degree', which I c&p mostly because of that.

 

I saw it right away we'll be treading the water, if OP doesn't reply. I would contact that agency for clear answer.

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fun thing, the calculator only let you choose bachelor or above...

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Call your local SAFEA office. 

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It probably depends on what you're doing. If it's a skill China needs and values or you're working for a company that China needs and values I think you'll be ok.

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You could ask your employer to try (earlier) with filling up of an online application for WP and you'll see if it will go through.

 

I think, it's better not to dial Gov., because you must explain the whole matter in detail and even if you'll get a positive answer, that can easy turn to 'no' at real time WP application.

 

Anyway, look into the possibility your WP will get denied and what will you do if that happened!

 

Good luck!

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Do you have a link to this rumour? Myself & ScotsAlan are like you. No degree but technical qualifications & a couple of decades experience. 

icnif77:

This is what I found through GOOG search:

 

https://www.laowaicareer.com/blog/work-in-china-without-a-degree-yes-its-possible/

 

Education is good, but then again you do not have to have a bachelor’s degree to achieve a good pay and job security. There are so many other jobs for you to work in China without a degree, some may require an associate degree or less including opportunities in healthcare, sales, construction and sales.

 

 

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Think you misunderstood my question Icnif. I know it’s possible to get a work permit with no bachelors as I have one. Your link just backs that up. 

 

Im looking for Dom87 to provide a link to this rumour that it might not be possible in future to get work permit with no degree. Thanks 

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I searched GOOG and I only got web links where it's stated one must hold BA for WP. No link on 'WP without degree'. 

The closest to 'WP without degree' was some statement to work through some 'org.' and get job in China on the bottom of my last web link. Not at teaching profession, but other jobs. For English teaching, degree is required.

You (somebody) could try with 'Contact Us' on the link on the bottom and get updated info for your profession. That's an Agency which gets you visa and other things.

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Your GOOG results aren’t correct. You only must have a degree for teaching. For other jobs then vocational qualifications & experience can get one.  

 

 

http://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/MS4iMEhDL_vcc32_LOKHeg

 

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dom87:

Where did I say it was not possible?

I asked IF it is possible, as I am worried. The general information I had was that you need a bachelors no matter what you are doing in China. Now maybe you do not need a bachelors because of "C" Class?

 

I am like you, no bachelors but special technical qualifications etc.

But I am not working in a technical field anymore... obviously my company wants to keep me as I am running the company here :/

But good to know that you got a visa recently without bachelors

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It will depend on a lot of factor based on the new scoring system, did you try the new scoring scheme on wechat? Go to search on wechat and type it in and you'll find one there than test yourself and look at your score and see if you can improve anywhere to make the score higher, better start improving your chinese and hopefully youre in a needy city.

 

Just for the record: ESL teachers or teachers of any subject will always be a B card Talent.

dom87:

the new scoring system is really weird.

So I don't get much points for Chinese language and the degree thing and I also get minus points for living in shanghai lol

Apart from that like salary, age etc. I get the top scores.

 

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What Iron said .... web linkage with scoring calculator on the bottom:

 

https://ins-globalconsulting.com/chinas-new-work-visa/

 

Quick read through text ... type B card must...:

- Holds a bachelor’s degree and has two years’ work experience in a certain field;

- A Foreign language teacher who teaches their native language and holds a bachelor’s degree in a country where the primary language is your native language. They also must possess at least two years of teaching experience (those with a bachelor’s degree in a teaching or language-related field, or a TEFL certificate are exempt from this).

'Contact Us' on the link for an advice from pros ...

icnif77:

From the link:

 

Recent requirement changes:

 

This is the most recent update to the visa regulations.

As of mid-July 2016, the new requirements are:

1. Applicants must submit all original documents including: Working Reference Letter and University Diploma

2. Employers must be verified before they can apply for work permits for foreign employees (as stated above)

3.  Employers and their company must have a registered business office or address

4. There will be an increased supervision towards Business/Tourist visa holders who are illegally working in Shanghai.

Previously applicants could bring their Scanned copies of the Working Reference Letter and University Diploma are no longer accepted. Now, the originals must be turned in at the time of application. Applicants should take note and bring these documents with them from their home country. There are many young expats in Shanghai who choose to work while on a business/tourist/student visa. These new changes are designed to root out those who choose to work in Shanghai without a proper visa.

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Hotwater:

July 2016? I can tell you from July 2017 that you don’t need a degree for non-teaching jobs as long as you pass on the points system. 

 

What I’m still looking for, and not seeing, is Dom87 telling where his rumour came from. 

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icnif77:

Yeah, we'll see if we'll get OP's reply, but Internet is blank on that statement/rumour. I was guessing yesterday, OP was probably reading web links about new working regulation for laowai in China.

Most of the websites describe requirement for an 'English teaching job'. I found only one link with short passage on 'other professions&no degree', which I c&p mostly because of that.

 

I saw it right away we'll be treading the water, if OP doesn't reply. I would contact that agency for clear answer.

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fun thing, the calculator only let you choose bachelor or above...

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