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Q: New visa rules from January 1st, 2016
Dear colleagues,
Don't really want to be the one bringing bad news, BUT..... according to the information I possess (from school owners, agents, PSB office in Wuhan, Hubei province) there are significant restrictions in visa application for foreign teachers starting from January, 1st, 2016.
That is:
1) Native teachers WITHOUT a college/university degree WON'T be able to apply for a work visa (every teacher will be required to provide either an original of the diploma or its notarized photocopy).
2) Non-native teachers won't be able to apply for a work visa unless such teachers have a degree from an English speaking country (such as the U.S., Canada, Great Britain, Australia, etc).
In my estimation this means that 60-70% of foreign teachers in Hubei will have to leave this year....
There's still very little information on the issue in the internet yet, since 2016 has just started, so I suggest, we share information and update each other on the matter, since such new rules would have a significant effect on many people's life and future plans.
8 years 11 weeks ago in Visa & Legalities - China
Rules? China? Mate, you're pullin the pud.
RandomGuy:
Every year we hear about these new super strict visa rules, every year it's the same bullshhh, and every year we also hear "this year it's different, it's real!" probably from some Chinese who wishes to scare Foreigners away lol
China can't enforce any rule whatsoever because local governments and PSB don't care what Beijing says. Before enforcing visa rules, they have to enforce anti-corruption laws which will never happen, both are closely tied.
For as long employers can bribe their way through at the PSB or with the local government, no strict visa rule can exist in this country.
Thanks for the info, which is unconfirmed.
You could get true facts on Chinese visa changes by dialing SAFEA (Foreign Expert Bureau) in your Province.
Enter 'SAFEA' in search above for address and contact no. of Provincial SAFEA.
Please, update the Board with info you'll get from the 'horse's mouth'.
leden:
Believe me or not, but if it were just a rumor, that I heard from someone, I wouldn't post my question here. I already know 3 people, who couldn't apply for a work visa this year: 2 in Hubei and 1 in Chengdu. However I don't know, whether these new rules take effect all over China or just in some of the provinces.
icnif77:
1. It was never possible, Native English teacher without BA could apply for Z visa.
BA degree is standard requirement for Z visa. Changes you're describing most likely won't come out as new Law, but Provinces in China are free to decide, when to grant Working permit to Non-native teacher as an example. They'll just add requirement Non hold BA from English speaking country.
I arrived to Jiangsu with valid RP from Xinjiang in 2013, and Jiangsu SAFEA flatly denied extension of RP. SAFEA agent told me, Non can't get WP in Jiangsu and most likely nowhere by the coast of China. However, later I got new Z in Fujian with HK pick-up.
leden:
If you say it was never possible, then you should specify the place you live in. In the province where I live it was always possible and the proof is thousands of teachers living and working here without a degree. And it's been so from the time I came here in 2011.
icnif77:
What does place where I live have to do with 'Native English teachers without BA have WP/RP'?
It is Chinese law: 'FT must present BA diploma, in order SAFEA grants WP and with Invitation letter, FT can apply for Z.
Currently, I'm in Henan, and in 2014 I was required to get Non-Crim Cert. as Non-native (EU) English teacher. That was the only news I knew at the time. Most likely, it was just wish of the city's SAFEA, because I have WP since 2010, and as I know only US citizens were required to present Non-Crim Cert. I had WP in Hebei, Liaoning, Xinjiang, Fujian and now Henan.
I've never looked at the passport of Native English teacher with valid RP, who would also tell me she/he doesn't have degree.
That's what you're saying is BS rumor (pardon my language).
Don't tell me now, you know Native English teachers in China, who had RP while wearing a T-shirt with logo 'I don't have a degree'.
Z visa requirements are clear: 'FT must have BA to get Working permit and Z visa further.'
Thousand FTs? How do you know that? Did you know all 1000 FTs?
Funny, I'm much different than you. I'm in China since 2009, and I've talked in person to maybe 15 FTs tops. Talked, not looked at their passports and diplomas.
leden:
Don't know your name, but, hey, let it be a bullshit rumor. I don't write something here to persuade, convince someone. I simply know that there are people here, who know, what I'm talking about. If these rules have no effect on you, I can say, that I'm happy for you, bro. Moreover I wish, I were wrong and these new rules didn't take effect. Peace
ambivalentmace:
i have known 6 teachers with fake degrees that got visas in shandong, a scanned copy is all they ask for here, one even used a degree from yale university, but it seems that many provinces are now being a little more thorough, now if they could just type the teachers name and home state into a criminal search, maybe things would actually be professional in this excuse for a country.
icnif77:
I wrote you about 'peace' in my reply above.
You can check, if that what you're saying is true by dialing SAFEA in your Province.
Anytime I dialed SAFEA, Chinese fluent English speaker answered the phone.
Update the Board with SAFEA's 'new' rule, you'll hear.
That's the only 'peace' you can get by posting something here, what isn't possible to check anywhere and it contradicts current Chinese law.
leden:
Why are you so aggressive? What's wrong with you? Is it the emperor status that makes you think, that you're always right or can be rude with others. Be polite with people and people will be polite with you. You're a teacher, so I don't think I need to teach you this. Come on...
icnif77:
I have a toothache. And free Internet.
How am I aggressive? You're spreading rumors with headline 'new Visa changes...,' which can't be confirmed anywhere.
Requirements for WP/Z visa aren't any different, and they've never been 'Native English teacher can get WP/Z without BA', but you know many Native FTs have RP, without BA....Even if there are such Native teachers, none will admit she/he's without BA by common sense.
You're saying there are thousand of such FTs. How do you know that? Can you prove that statement of yours? Don't tell me, you're priest-ing part-time.
leden:
Not my fault you have a toothache, hope you can get a nice dental clinics to deal with it. Priest? Nah, simply don't see a reason to insult/offend you. I've been living in Hubei since 2011 and I've met around 20 teachers (natives) who applied for a Z visa, work permit with a faked degree/certificates. What makes me think, that there are thousands of teachers like that? Is simply that this is the majority of teachers been working here in my estimation.
icnif77:
Is there a difference between 'without BA' or 'fake BA' in Englo?
In Taiwan, degree must be notarized, before WP is granted. China might go the same way soon, but now copies are widely accepted.
However, FT in China can't get WP without BA, as you said you know many.
expatlife26:
Leden, Icnif is a man of the China Scam Watch and therefore you need to show him some RESPECT.
I suggest you better apologize to him at once and don't post anything else which he does not approve of.
leden:
That's what I'm saying: diploma copies won't be accepted any more at least here in Wuhan, Hube provinci. Now it's either an original or a notarized photocopy. Let's wait and see...
Shining_brow:
@Leden - What Icnif is saying is - the rules haven't really changed (as your post implies) except for maybe the bit about NNES requiring a NES-university degree.(interesting idea... still not practical for the number of teachers they want).
Every year, some cities will tighten up a bit. Usually about now (for the extra holiday money), and around August/September.
China isn't serious about education - certainly not from anything we're likely to teach! I don't know about most other countries, but in mine a prospective employer can contact the university to determine whether a degree is real or not! Now, wouldn't that make things interesting....
Non native teachers will just relocate to Southeast Asia, Latin America or India. The real bad news are for the schools and training centers actually, if they can't get cheap Russians to pretend to be Americans then they are so dead, customers come for the White face more than anything else, I give them 2 years top before running out of business.
ambivalentmace:
india does not need them and the asian neighbors and south america have jumped in bed with china so much that they all going down with the ship as china dives economically, its every man for yourself, capital cities will still have some government printed money for a few to send their kids to training schools, but the numbers are going to go down fast and until the world economy rebounds or oil goes back up, the strong will survive in this business and the weak shall perish, god do i love the free market, it taketh away and it gives, make sure your on the right side of the curve.
RandomGuy:
It doesn't really concern me anyway. This is China so I'm pretty sure that employers with guanxi will still be allowed to hire whoever they want, even more true the further away from the capital. The mountains are high and Beijing is far away. You can't seriously expect a visa rule to be strictly followed when China is unable to enforce capital control or anti-corruption laws.
I have heard that China will no longer grant extensions for L and M visa holders. Can anyone confirm this?
fyi, most chinese laws actually take effect on july 1st every year. jan 1st is a capitalistic plot by western imperialists that china usually ignores, after all july 1 is "party day" and the party is your god here.
Why are you so aggressive? What's wrong with you? Is it the emperor status that makes you think, that you're always right or can be rude with others. Be polite with people and people will be polite with you. You're a teacher, so I don't think I need to teach you this. Come on...
expatlife26:
Leden, Icnif is a man of the China Scam Watch and therefore you need to show him some RESPECT.
I suggest you better apologize to him at once and don't post anything else which he does not approve of.
Thanks, anyways!icnif77:
"Mr. Wolf: 'Perfect, perfect, we couldn't plan this better. You guys look like....What do they look like, Jimmy?'
Jimmy: 'Dorks! They look like a couple of dorks! hahahah....''
I talked with the Hr of my school. She also confirmed that visa rules have changed in Wuhan. She said that non natives without degree from native speaking countries can not apply for a z visa. This girl who works in Hr takes care of visa issues for foreigners so she know what she is talking about . I definetly believe her.
Rules? China? Mate, you're pullin the pud.
RandomGuy:
Every year we hear about these new super strict visa rules, every year it's the same bullshhh, and every year we also hear "this year it's different, it's real!" probably from some Chinese who wishes to scare Foreigners away lol
China can't enforce any rule whatsoever because local governments and PSB don't care what Beijing says. Before enforcing visa rules, they have to enforce anti-corruption laws which will never happen, both are closely tied.
For as long employers can bribe their way through at the PSB or with the local government, no strict visa rule can exist in this country.
I am amazed at some of the comments inside here. Based on the conversation here, I assume that everyone who posted either is already a a teacher here in china or is aspiring to be one. There is always the imigration way out......marriage....good luck
I am amazed at some of the comments inside here. Based on the conversation here, I assume that everyone who posted either is already a a teacher here in china or is aspiring to be one. There is always the imigration way out......marriage....good luck
Strange how this country seems to do damage to itself with what are very ill thought out laws. China doesn't have enough English teachers to service all of its English learners. If on one certain day China decided to enforce the current laws regarding foreign English teachers in China then the status quo would be markedly changed, probably for the worst in regard to China's education system.
If China decided to stop all non-native FT's and require a degree from all its native FT's then it'd find itself with not many foreign English teachers.
I feel a little bad for the qualified non-native teachers. The unqualified native speaking English teachers can't be too surprised when the profession they've chosen requires the relevant qualification. However, I can't see anything changing too soon. New laws come and go but hong bao's are forever.
icnif77:
I'm guessing, Chinese will abandon Native or Non English teachers, if they can't fill the position, and they'll teach English themselves.
Henan Uni has job advert for Native English teacher out since 2014, and position is still vacant. TOEFL/IELTS prep mill in the city doesn't have FT and they aren't looking for one. Only Chinese English teachers are working in the mill.
Part of the Uni was looking for Native or Non FT few months ago. They offered pay of 120 Rmb/h for IELTS 'speaking part only' prep.
After I asked them for higher wage with excuse 'I can't work part-time for lower pay than my current full-time pay is', their answer was: 'None of our English teachers pay is higher than 120Rmb/h'. There're no FTs on Campus working at the Uni.
Part-time mill I'm working at, pay bottom of my pay request, but they cut my working hours.
I would like to see what mill's offer would be to a Native English teacher, but there aren't many here. I asked one US teacher, if he wanted to check part-time offer, but he declined. He told me, he probably wouldn't accept offer of 120Rmb/h.
Chinese schools won't suffer too much, if new regulations on FTs come out. They'll just teach English by themselves. Students don't have a choice, if there aren't any FTs in town.
Was having few meetings with Drama student at the Uni here. She wants to improve her English, and she's couching me with Chinese as exchange. When she talks in English, I must always look at several possibilities on the meaning of her spoken English. I can't do any meet with her without Internet, where we can use translator.
RandomGuy:
Yeah that's the point, just how many training centers and schools base their entire business model on having a white face around? 90% maybe.
Now if China cuts the ties lose with non native speakers, which probably means 2/3 of every foreign teachers in China, who is going to be the white face in those places?
Unlike what icnif believes, Chinese don't want other Chinese to teach them English, they want foreigners. They will never be willing to pay as much tuition fee if the teachers are Chinese, if they are willing to pay anything at all. Whoever thinks differently obviously does not understand the Chinese mentality.
I saw entire international schools and kindergartens whose business model is having foreigners around. Prevent them to do so and most of every training centers and private schools in China will run out of business, putting that many Chinese staff jobless.
In fact it's safe to say that the entire ESL industry is about foreign teachers.
But anyway, this is China aka the country that's unable to enforce the most basic rule like jaywalking, let alone anti corruption laws, who seriously believes that a visa rule will be strictly followed?
Even so, every year for the past 10 years around February and in July we hear about new super strict visa rules where only certified teachers or native speakers will be allowed to get Z visas, and every year it's bullshit.
Well the law actually changes, but because of the of way the system works in China, because of the corruption that permeates society, it's never being enforced.
I wouldn't worry too much about it, it's just like how the cops raid one of two places and OMFG IT'S THE END FOR FOREIGN TEACHERS IN CHINA THEY WILL ALL GO TO JAIL AND BE DEPORTED lol.
icnif77:
Not that I believe Chinese students don't want white face teacher.
That is 'description' of 2 students I had in International class at Public school, I'm working full time. They both attend IELTS prep mill, and there aren't any foreign teachers there. They told me, Chinese teachers run the tapes for speaking part of the prep.
Both families of this two students are apparently immensely rich by Principal's info, but still kids are enrolled in Chinese IELTS prep.
Mill I'm working part-time agreed to pay minimum wage I required (30% higher than they offered), but they cut my classes by 2/3 as soon as I told them my wage requirement. They were expecting, I will run demo classes free of pay. Chinese teacher at the mill will most likely run TOEFL/IELTS prep.
Shining_brow:
I was having a chat at my mate's workplace - a language school. I, being an IELTS examiner, was telling him (and his boss - a guy with Australian university education) just how sucky the IELTS preparation is here in China, and that the (Chinese - and no doubt, non-Chinese) teachers don't know what they're doing (in regards to the speaking and writing - and, there is proof!)
After I left (so I was told), one of their head teachers told the boss that if he hired me, she'd quit. My mate obviously defended me - and basically threw in her face that having someone who actually knows what he's talking about telling it like it is is a GOOD thing - not a bad thing... she (and perhaps the boss - I never heard from him again) didn't seem to think so!
Never forget the face!
icnif77:
@Shining: If I would be in the position of boss, I would hire you just to coach my teachers about proper IELTS prep, if not for '77' other reasons. However, I don't understand 'face' thingy.
Shining_brow:
'Face thingy' was she lost a lot of...
Actually, I do teacher training sessions :D
(also, if I thought I could make it work, without the corruption, I'd open my own school)
icnif77:
Just imagine how would you feel as Ozz Chinese teacher, if your boss would want to hire Native Chinese teacher.
We would probably see benefit, but Chinese don't have such a feeling. I'm convinced, China would profit more at English education, if FTs would teach Chinese teachers instead students.
nzteacher80:
Agree Icnif. Most of my teaching time is spent undoing the damage that Chinese teachers have done.
I've been reading on other sites about this. It appears that more provinces are now asking for notarized degree certificates and some are asking for transcripts. It appears that these are required to get the FEC and not the Z Visa which could leave some people stranded here.
Rather more worrying is the fact that I've also read about certain provinces beginning to enforce the five-year rule. Looks like this summer could be interesting!
icnif77:
Notarized degree is most likely required at application for WP, and if 'no notarized' no WP/Z.
FEC application always happened after FT arrives to China with Z, in other words nobody can be stranded in China, because FEC isn't granted. FEC is just formality, after WP and IL are issued.
honky:
Hi Andy,
I'm also living in Shenyang. After had been reading about the new requirements for a while, I got on my HR officer's case to provide more details.
She told me that one of the new FT visa for denied on the account of being a non-native English speaker without a degree from an English-speaking country.
As for the non-natives (including myself) who are already on the payroll the future in uncertain at this point.
That being said, the college has a reasonable amount of guanxi and, more importantly, is seriously understaffed in the ESL department, so it will definately be interesting to see how the things will unfold.
As for the native English speakers in Shenyang, my friend had to provide the original BA , the kindergarten chain he works for insisted on it.
I also contacted my former company based in Changchun,Jilin province ,they told me that they are unaware of the new requirements at this point,.
As I mentioned in an earlier thread, the Foreign Affairs Dept of my company was summonsed to an info session by the Entry/Exit Bureau recently regarding new visa practices in my city.
In short,
If you aren't from the Big 5 don't bother applying for a work permit. A few of our (good) workers from other countries have been told that they won't have their visas renewed this year already.
A few long term M visa guys have also been refused extensions in the past few weeks. They tell me that the officers won't consider individual situations.
One of my wife's clients who is a big shot at the local port told her in confidence (so I'm not telling you this) that they are keeping records of long term L & M visa holders and cross referencing with bank accounts and that raids will begin after spring festival.
Whether or not this is a new law, the regional policy has changed. Whether it is a good thing or not is something we'll have to wait to see.
I'm kinda hoping that this will make those of us who are qualified to get a work permit more valuable and be paid more, but I believe in unicorns, the easter bunny and santa. And of course the Leader of the STFU or whatever it is called, but that goes without saying.
expatlife26:
that's interesting. It makes sense though that eventually it would come to this, all these people who have been renewing tourist visas for 5 years running living in the same damn city the whole time.
"yeah yeah! just really enjoying seeing the sites in Shenzhen! probably take me a few more years but I want to enjoy a soy milk at every KFC in the city!"
It does however make me happy that I have a real visa working for a real company. If this policy drives out all the russian models though on business visas it might destroy the quality of life here though.
I can confirm some things did change (in Beijing).. but not much.. all of the applications now need to be applied for and pre-approved online. Then an appointment is made to take your alien permit book to get stamped... the online application will be done by your workplace HR who need to obtain a USB security key to use the website (but YOU still need to take your book in person with your passport once the appointment is confirmed). The change was broadcast to all employers that have a "foreign employers license" in November... The next part was not explained to me very well (bad Chinese on my part), but I "think" she said "Your employer will need to register you on the website 2 months prior to renewal (before 60 days), then apply 60 days or less as normal... if the registration date is less than 2 months, they will need to scan and re-submit all of your documents again".
As for new applications... I'm not sure.
I just renewed my permit through the new system and all was fine... I hope this helps.. good luck..
icnif77:
My Contract (2014/15/16) has provision 'School will inform FT of decision on renewal of Contract 60-days before expiration.'
That's the first time I saw that provision on Contract, for which I didn't really understand 'why school would go for such FT's convenience'.
Your explanation about 60-days new FEC application might be the reason.
What about native Eng speakers with degrees from a non-native Eng speaking country?
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Rules have been implemented. My boss was talking about them. Good for us to be honest, means less morons and a closure of the flood gates.
Whole thread's title and OP's content are misleading!
There aren't any new Chinese Working visa rules/changes since Jan 1st, 2016!
Hotwater:
Just read this whole thread again and am wondering how you can categorically state this? Seems there is some tightening and enforcement of the current government guidelines, which provinces have been free to interpret as best fits their local situation.
icnif77:
There aren't any changes in Chinese law as OP stated. 'Tightening of rules' doesn't qualify.
Hotwater:
I'd partly agree with you but I think you're "splitting hairs"! We all know that China has a set of laws, that are then interpreted by the provinces when allowed.
So yes, the title of the topic is misleading but this "tightening" of regulations in some provinces is going to have an affect on some ESL teachers. It's something that could affect a lot of you so isn't it best that warnings like these are noted?
icnif77:
The whole thread is wiggly. There aren't any Law changes, but (one) of the Provinces maybe started to implement some stricter rules. That can't be treated as an 'alert'.
thelatinodancer:
Are you kidding me???????????????
Thanks for your assumptions but it is time to learn the facts!!!!!!!!!!!!
icnif77:
Did you know, replies and posts at eChina are dated?
19 weeks ago there wasn't any new Chinese regulations on Internet. That was approx. on Feb. 18th, 2000 + sixteen..... 
I wasn't kidding, but if there're no web links to be found according to the statement (post) I consider that as a rumour.
I want to go to work in China this year, but i am not native speaker and hadn`t a degree from an English speaking country, but I have TEFL cert. Can I get the job as ESL techer?
iWolf:
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you are quite probably shit outta luck if you want to go to a more civilised place and work legally. Perhaps developing provinces may offer an opportunity....check ads for Guizhou, guangxi, jiangxi or tier 4 cities
I want to go to work in China this year, but i am not native speaker and hadn`t a degree from an English speaking country, but I have TEFL cert. Can I get the job as ESL techer?
leden:
I've heard from a few people, that you can still get a work visa in LioaNing, however I don't know those people in person. My school has already advised me, that I won't be able to extend my work visa this year (Hubei province) for the reason, that I don't have a degree from an English speaking country.
Thought these rules had been around for a while now? Didn't start Septmber 1st 2013?
icnif77:
Yeah, it was around that date. Whole thread is misleading, because there aren't anything on Internet about Law changes in China.
The other thing in China might be Chinese law might state/require, FT must be Native English passport holder (same as in Jap., Taiwan, Russia and others), but Provinces in China can freely bypass that regulation by granting WP to Non.
none of these are valid.
ironman510:
Man, it is very valid. It was already posted by some of Shanghai's top visa agencies..
I can't speak for other cities but where I am you need to register online with the FEC people at least 30 days before the expiry of your FEC or they require you to do the Z visa process again.
I'm just renewing mine now so if there are any other new changes I will update.
ironman510:
oh, yeah. I remember this. This started in Shenzhen maybe in 2013, I remember that's why they told us contract signing or renewing was a month earlier. Don't worry too much guys, most companies know this.
iWolf:
Yeah, it's no biggie. I got my new RP today but the foreign affairs dept at work were slack and only by me being proactive made it happen without issue. You know the old "don't worry, it'll be ok, we have a relationship" bollocks they go on with.
iWolf:
Yeah, it's no biggie. I got my new RP today but the foreign affairs dept at work were slack and only by me being proactive made it happen without issue. You know the old "don't worry, it'll be ok, we have a relationship" bollocks they go on with.
iWolf:
Yeah, it's no biggie. I got my new RP today but the foreign affairs dept at work were slack and only by me being proactive made it happen without issue. You know the old "don't worry, it'll be ok, we have a relationship" bollocks they go on with.
Here are the updates:
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/977923.shtml
A foreign face no longer enoughBy Zhang Xinyuan Source:Global Times Published: 2016-4-10 21:23:01 New policy to block many non-native English speakers from legally teaching the language in China
In a bid to improve the quality of English language education in the country, the Chinese government has raised the bar for foreigners hoping to gain employment teaching the language. Photo: IC
Marco (pseudonym) from the Philippines worked as an English teacher in Beijing from 2006 to 2011. Even though he changed jobs and is now a marketing manager at an educational institution, he still loves to teach and would consider returning to the classroom. So, naturally, he was very disappointed when he heard that this avenue of employment might no longer be open to him.
According to China's State Administration of Foreign Experts Affairs' latest rule released in September, non-native English speakers cannot be hired as English teachers without a degree from a native English speaking country proving their language proficiency.
The topic is now trending on social network platforms, including Reddit and Quora, drawing the attention of numerous foreigners living in China.
"Foreigners from non-native English speaking countries can no longer teach English in China at any level unless they have a bachelor degree or above from an English-speaking country plus two years' working experience in English language education," according to the State Administration of Foreign Experts Affairs' email reply to Metropolitan. "If a non-native English speaker majored in education, or has a teacher's certificate recognized by our administration, such as a TEFL (Teaching English as a Foreign Language) certificate, then the two years' work experience is not necessary," the administration said, emphasizing that "a bachelor degree or above is still a must."
In Marco's case, although he majored in education in the Philippines, has five years' experience teaching the English language, and a recently acquired the Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages (TESOL) certificate, he is now barred from legally teaching in China because he does not have a degree from an English-speaking country.
The administration issued the policy to attract more native English speakers with a qualified educational background to further improve China's English language education level, the administration explained.
According to a 2015 Chinese Business View report, many non-native English teachers failed an evaluation administered by a professional interpreter in Xi'an, Shaanxi Province, due to their poor pronunciation. The report said a large amount of non-native English speakers are still working as English language teachers in second- and third-tier cities. The reason it said was that most native English speakers were reluctant to go to small cities, causing the quality of English language education in those areas to suffer.
Mu Yanwen, the founder and CEO of Boto Education, an English-language education institution based in Beijing, spoke of meeting an English teacher from Ukraine on his business trip to Shenyang, Liaoning Province in 2015. "When I asked him about his job, he told me that what he did in the school was 'just being white,'" said Mu. "He said his Caucasian face convinces the students' parents that the school offers professional English-language education, but his English was not that proficient."
Chinese people now demand better English-language education and they can judge whether an English teacher is qualified, according to Mu, who prefers to hire native English speakers that understand Western culture.
"The only non-native English speaking teacher I hired is from Germany. He got his English teaching degree in the US and teaches European history," he said.
Marco thinks it's a pity that a lot of qualified non-native English speakers cannot teach the language though they can educate well and have good classroom experience "I feel bad about it. But what else can we do? Well, I am hoping for the best. I hope there will be changes in policy in the future," Marco said.
ironman510:
Yeah read this. But as you know, the none native speakers have two or three choices, get a visa F, M or Q/ or burn thier passport and stay until they finish their goal. I met Filipino friends like this.
RandomGuy:
"The administration issued the policy to attract more native English speakers with a qualified educational background to further improve China's English language education level, the administration explained."
LOL, you are not going to attract qualified teachers if you are not professional yourself. How many schools and training centers in China don't even have a curriculum for English subject? They just throw the foreigner into the classroom and command him to teach. How many dumb parents and spoiled brats who only see the 'foreign teacher' as a dancing monkey? No professional/qualified American/British teacher is going to put up with that crap, especially not for 8-10k rambos per month, LOLOLOLOLOL China you are a joke.
The real problem is not non-native teachers of English but greedy bosses who cut corners and couldn't give less of a damn about education.
China's English level is not going to improve until the whole corruption thingy is solved. No more hongbaos for school principals, use the official distributors for books and stop buying cheap fake copies that only arrive half way through the semester, etc...
Dozens of problems that are the reasons why China's English sucks.
Shining_brow:
Why can't we upvote and AotD comments??
What RandomGuy said... plus a bit more. The people making the policy have ZERO idea of what they're doing - they are not 'experts' in the field of language education. They are just making a new policy based on... idiocy!
So - idiocy + corruption + greed = a sucky China!
Probably the next thing to come after this talent visa is a PhD required to work at EF.. lol
ironman510:
My mates and I were joking about that, who in the hell would move to a small time city for 7k-9k? None of us would unless for a special reason, a wife there or something like that.
