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Q: New visa rules will effect a Z-visa extension in Liaoning
Good night to everybody,
I am working in Lioaning totally legally. My Visa-work permit-residence permit will expire this September and I will renew with the same company. My problem is the new rules specify that diplomas must to be notarized in the home country but my original diploma is not notarized and is here with me. So my question is If somebody knows If renewals will be as they've always been until at least September in Liaoning. Otherwise, looks like I need to return to my country and notarize my diploma.
Thank you
6 years 45 weeks ago in Visa & Legalities - China
Why not send it back home now, get someone to do the legwork for you, and have it all back here ready for September?
Hotwater:
That's too easy...some people want to complicate their lives by not thinking ahead!
Shining_brow:
And then expecting the universe to twist around them to make it all happen (no matter how ridiculous, selfish, or even illegal!)
ironman510:
Maybe reasons like myself, I took 7 days off from work (Said I was down with the Flu) snuck a flight home and got it handled. I couldn't mail it at least the Uni part in the U.S.
I wouldn't worry too much about the new rules. Most people, including the people who made them, aren't sure of them either. Let your school handle it since you will be going with them anyway. 
Check with the Department of Education for your city.
ironman510:
The department of education has nothing to do with this area.
Spiderboenz:
Maybe not where where you are, but in Nanjing degree authentication (yes, you CAN get it done in China) is handled by the Department of Education.
I would say there is a BIG yes chance, because before they hand you an ID card the state's your an ABC class they obviously want to see your degree and than that's the time they'll see if you have a Chinese embassy authentication sticker on the notarized copy. Don't play the Macau gamble game. Prepare for everything.
Why not send it back home now, get someone to do the legwork for you, and have it all back here ready for September?
Hotwater:
That's too easy...some people want to complicate their lives by not thinking ahead!
Shining_brow:
And then expecting the universe to twist around them to make it all happen (no matter how ridiculous, selfish, or even illegal!)
ironman510:
Maybe reasons like myself, I took 7 days off from work (Said I was down with the Flu) snuck a flight home and got it handled. I couldn't mail it at least the Uni part in the U.S.
Very simple, do not just let your school deal with it or else you'll be screwed (see icnif's posts). Assume the worst, assume that you'll need it authenticated and then take steps to do so. You have time.
Re what Spider says: The people who work in these depts are dopes and know absolutely nothing until it comes into practice. You ask today, they'll give you an answer, tomorrow a different answer.
People act like the new rules mean something and are strictly enforced, this is China we are talking about.
ironman510:
I've been here over 10 years, and let me tell you that China is actually following its laws more and more as years go by, example what happen to the super fast agents that could renew a business visa? What happen to HK visa runs, what happen to working permits in 2012? Whats been happening to nonnative teachers? The laws to a point have been working, so don't underestimate the system, yes before you could almost do anything with a special friend on the other side of the desk, but not as much as before.
RandomGuy:
HK visa runs are perfectly doable today given that your application letter states "Hong Kong" instead of your home country, it's that simple really. Friend of mine did it in March for a new Z and no itch whatsoever despite people claiming all over the internet that it wasn't possible anymore since last year.
Visa agents (sponsor) do still exist although they now work directly with employers, easier and more profitable than doing one Foreigner at a time, I would say a good 40% of the schools rely on third-party sponsors for their Foreign teachers' visa, only ~10% of every schools and training centers in China actually have the Alien Employment License required to sponsor Foreigners' visas.
You and a bunch of other people's wishful thinking that non-native speakers get kicked out is not ever going to happen for the very reason that China needs them more than they need you, unless you volunteer to take those jobs that pay 6k per month with no free accommodation and that Russians or Africans are more than happy to work at, are you?
Of course you won't, and yet these jobs represent over 90% of the ESL market, a multibillions-worth market that employs millions of Chinese people. ESL holds a bigger share in the Chinese economy than any other educational service from maths to music to PE, it's a bigger market than tourism or electronics manufacturing. ESL needs Foreigners to exist, for the simple reason that Chinese won't send their kids to a school or center that claims to be international yet doesn't have Foreigners. The CCP isn't stupid and won't let it crash.
I think that applying your Western standards of rule by law to China is rather naive. Take it from someone who has been running a successful consultancy without paying any tax at all for over 7 years and has been in China for over 10 years in total. China is not America, China is not Europe. Law is irrelevant, tell me who you know and I will tell you what you can get away with in this country.
ironman510:
Haha what planet are you from? You need an HK ID and the visa must be in the name of that HK ID. I live in Shenzhen man, we're updating about this stuff weekly.
