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Q: Passing the IELTS test in China : your experience

 I would like to the pass the IELTS test, because I will soon have to assert formally my English language proficiency. And I will have to pass it here in China. I'm not quite sure what to expect.

   * Did anybody did that, passing the IELTS in China ?

   * No communication problems ? (sounds strange for an English test, but TIC...)

   * Once the IELTS passed, nobody questioned the validity of the result, say, an zealous immigration officer ?

   * Does it cover Engluage as well ?

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although i teach IELTS, i do have a problem with it as certainly from the 'speaking' pov, you have to think in a certain way to get a good score.

However, as it is examined externally and the Chinese have no influence on the outcome, it can at least be seen to be impartial and honest when compared to other exams here. (cheating is next to impossible)

 

BUT - and this is a big 'but'  - speaking to CELTA trainers from all over the world, with MANY years of experience teaching English, the IETLS score from China is seen as 1 point below the rest of the world: a '7' from China is the same as a '6' from another country.

 

DrMonkey:

And how realistic it would be to self-study for that exam ? Can I make it without going to some cramming school ? So far, I'm reviewing with a book specific to IELTS preparation, for my grammar. I'm fluent, everybody understand me without any problem, and I can deal with the worst pronunciations, but I speak with a noticeable French accent ^^

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sorrel:

I would recommend having a friend help you practice the Speaking part 2: 

 

timing, both of preparation and speaking is something many Chinese student here struggle with when i first work with them.

there is a lot of material online that is very useful

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Shining_brow:

HI Sorrel.

 

Those CELTA trainers are speaking rubbish! I speak to IELTS examiners who have examined all over the world, not just in China... they don't score differerently!

 

Also, if in doubt, any test get sent back to Cambridge for final validation...

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I also teach IELTS, and in fact you don't pass or fail, its an assessment of your English skills, so you get a band score, 0 ~ 9. All depends on grade you need/want to gain admittance (usually) to overseas colleges/Uni's. Anywhere between 6 ~ 7.5 is acceptable for many places.

I also at times teach TOEFUL ( more for USA market) & find that a more difficult test to gain a good score.

DrMonkey:

For most long-stay visas dor Australia, a level of 6 is prefered (or mandatory), and you get immigration brownie points if you manage to reach 8. The other side of the Ditch, they are a bit less picky, but they nevertheless ask for IELTS.

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passing the ielts should not be a problem

you need about 6 uncommon vocabulary and a couple of idioms

forget a word and then describe it (a paraphrase for an 8 score)

 

use 'numerous' instead of many

use 'approximately' instead of about

use urban, suburb and rural

use population and census for your hometown or the school studies( the city were your study, population)

now you have 6 words and a 6 score

 

use have a crack at - for idiom for something you want to try.

say your early riser in a sentence about your habits regarding a topic

now you have 2 idioms and a 7 score

 

now forget a word in part 2 and describe it , darn i forgot the word its something you do like prayer or relaxing, oh now i remember" meditation." now your have the paraphase and an 8 score,

good luck

 

i have grade 2 high school students pass speaking with a 6 that have never had a foreign teacher before, and these are lazy spoiled rich kids, if i had real students that want to learn, they would all get a seven.
check ielts-yasi.englishlab.net for Chris Green's website for the latest part 1 and part 2 changes for your students.

the above information assumes your grammar and pronunciation are good already. grammar mistakes count off after 2 minor ones, even natives can slip and use bad grammar but no more than 2 mistakes.

DrMonkey:

That sounds less daunting that I tough. I enjoy using idioms for the sole purpose of using. I'm aware of a fair amount of idioms and slangs in use in US, OZ, NZ, UK... I'm an history buff, so I read books with fancy words... I'm going to ace it big time ^^

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Shining_brow:

Hey Ambivalent.

 

You're funny!

If it was that easy, then China's average for the Speaking test wouldn't be only 5.2, and for the Writing, 5.3. (Source: http://www.ielts.org/researchers/analysis-of-test-data/test-taker-performance-2012.aspx)

 

8??? Bwahahahahaaaaa....... Most native speakers wouldn't get a 9, and many wouldn't even hit 8.5, leaving 8.0 as the next most likely...! And you're suggesting that a simple paraphrase will get that! RUBBISH!

 

You've also completely ignored the fact that Speaking and Writing have four criteria, and you've only mentioned one!

 

Grammar (and vocab) 'slips' as you suggest - 2 might be the difference between and 8.5 and 9.0 for grammar/vocab. We're not looking that high (unless Dr Monkey has been living in an English speaking country for a large number of years, and is very well educated (and using the language correctly)).

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shining brow, i have 20 students for 2 years grade 10 and 11 that go to canada in september, 14 of the 20 scored 24 for the 4 parts. the scores are low in china because no one teaches the uncommon vocabulary, idioms or the paraphrase, i used to be an examiner and if you dont use a paraphrase you cannot score an 8. fluency and pronunciation are something you have to have to even get to a 5. most people that bother to study idioms and vocabulary already have these mastered.

the hardest part is writing, only 1 out of 50 students in china score a 6 on writing, i had all 20 score 5 or 5.5  but no 6.

teaching writing is damn hard.

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If it is for immigration then it depends based on country how much is a pass mark. For Australia, I think it is 7 in each band (it was 4-5 years ago). For Canada, if you score above 6 or 6.5 then you get 4 points for each band (total you can score 16 points for immigration). IELTS General test is bit easier than IELTS academic. For immigration purpose GT is required. For speaking band, I have feeling that it depends on examiner too. Once I had Indian teacher evaluating my communication skills, so most of the talk was centered around science and teacher so I scored 8.5. Next time, I had British teacher, my talk somehow centered around Obama, D.L, and China. I scored only 7.5. I was kind of hard to believe for such downgrade. I asked people at British Council and hinted that it might be the combination of teacher and topic i choose to speak my score changed. I don't know if that is true or not.

 

My feeling is that it is better to stick with the way on how we feel easy to use words and communicate (writing and speaking) rather than to try to use quite difficult or complex word and try to impress. Simple is beautiful.

Suppose you are immigrating and once you pass the exam and get the permission to immigrate, you never need to prove validity of IELTS.

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I'm not sure about passing IELTS, but you can change Frenchier accent with loads of practice:

 

 

http://www.americanaccent.com/faq.html

 

British Native speakers at:

 

http://www.focusenglish.com/dialogues/conversation.html

 

 

Use GOOG for more links on 'changing your accent!

 

 

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Dr Monkey - as indicated above, IELTS isn't a pass/fail thing - it's a relative score. Whether you 'pass' or 'fail' will depend on what score you need, based on what you're trying to do with it! Academic? Tourism? Immigration? etc etc. And, when it comes to the academic (ie, studying somewhere), which course and which institute. Many places will have English courses, and the IELTS score for those are pretty low (I've even seen 4.0!!!)

 

To definitively answer one of your questions - no, your mark will not be questioned by a 'zealous immigration officer'. Basically, they're not allowed to (in the countries you're likely to be using your score for).

 

Next definitive answer: over 400,000 people have done an IELTS test in China... so, yes, some have 'passed' Tongue Not all of them are Chinese. (I doubt that any of the 400,000 got a 9.0 though!)

 

Some examiners will, naturally, have an accent. They're not all native English speakers (who have accents anyway). So, yes, there may be 'communication issues'. if you feel you have received a score somewhat lower than you feel you should have, and it's due to mis-communications by the examiner, you can put in an appeal (and pay for it). If your appeal is upheld, you'll get your money back. However, if you're basing it on accents, then you'd better hope that it's a pretty bad accent (which is unlikely, given the monitoring that happens with examiners!!!)

 

What's "Engluage"?

 

 

To give you some thoughts for your upcoming test... if your speaking is similar to your writing, you won't do too bad (better than most Chinese - if that's any encouragement Tongue)

 

However, watch your basic grammar! From the public band descriptors, a 6 in grammar is by having pretty good basic grammar (some mistakes are ok), but also have a few accurate complex structures (not just compound). So, relative clauses, passives, hypotheticals, and other sub-ordinate clauses).

 

Vocab is pretty easy (from what I've read of yours).  Less common idioms for a higher score ("on the other hand", "every coin has 2 sides", etc are extremely common, and thus wouldn't help!)

 

Accuracy is more important than being clever! Lots of special stuff will be meaningless if you haven't got a grasp of the basics!

 

 

And, above all, answer the question! There's no point having awesome grammar and vocabulary, if you're not even on the same page as what you're supposed to be doing! If you're off-topic (eg, instead of describing the important stuff in the graph, you suggest ridiculous things about what might happen in the future), then you're awesome 7.0 will plummet down to a 5.0 very fasy!

 

Get the public band descriptors (from the IELTS website - above link), and you'll see that 6.0 isn't that hard!

DrMonkey:

Thanks for your much detailed answer !

I know it's not a pass/fail thing. However, in our case, we have to reach a minimum score, determined by an immigration ministry. In my case, I should not be under 6, 7 would open more options. 8 would be optimal, in some cases, it gives you immigration bonus points.

The "Aussie/Kiwi accent welcome" thing is simply so that my wife get used to it, as she is not very accent-resilient. I though that if I could knock two birds with one stone, that would be better than just knocking one bird.

"Engluage" is a a minor running joke on this Q&A website. One anonymous poster came up with this cute telescoping of "English" and "Language", which within the context of his/her post, was highly entertaining.

I tend to speak as I write, and I enjoy playing with the language. However, I tend to mispronounce words in the very typical way of native French speakers, Clouseau style. Also, I've been speaking English with non-native speakers, mostly German and Chinese people. I need to iron-out at least the pronunciation of my core vocabulary.  Finally, just having someone would do great for my wife's own insecurity relative to her self-perceived English fluency. She's good, but she doesn't believe it and she can't wrap her head around the idea of passing an exam with out a trainer/tutor.
 

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Shining_brow:

Another, longer more expensive option, would be to go OS as a student (of English, if necessary). Easier entrance requirements (as far as language). If you enrolled into a Foundation course, it could be as low as 4.0!!!

 

Yes, across the ditch is easier - and faster! 2 years or so in NZ can get you residency, which I've heard is then used to go to Australia. So, 2 years in a diploma course (or 3 years in a bachelor's) and you get a nice shiny piece of paper, and a nice stamp in your passport :) (not sure of the NZ laws, but in Aus you can work up to 20 hours per week while you're a student!!)

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Shining_brow:

Oh, if EngLuage is something like testing your grammar or whatever - no! It's all usage based. Can you read/listen and get meaning, can you put meaning across? Most native speakers have no idea about the actual rules of grammar, even though they're quite capable of using it correctly. ("what's a 'verb'??" :p)

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diverdude1:

well,,, I am very impressed by your idiomatic speech!  I never thought anyone (non-native speaker) would know 'wrap your head around' or 'iron-out'.  But to be honest with you, 99% of the time we say 'kill two birds with one stone', I know it sounds mean.  hehe     and I don't think in this Global Age we can consider accent as a pro or con.  Everyone has an accent and we just have to accept that fact.   (when pigs fly)

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icnif77:

@Shining: 'Engulage' was word used in one of the Q (or replies) here. It means: OP's English is 'drop(top) of the line'.

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Shining_brow:

@Diver - yes, everyone has an accent - some are easy to understand, and some are incredibly difficult until you become used to it (and even then). If it makes communication difficult, then it's a problem - if not, then it's no problem (and won't have much effect on an IELTS score).

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