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Q: "Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious" - describe anywhere you know?

Well does it?

7 years 12 weeks ago in  General  - China

 
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"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."  Samuel Johnson 1775

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Agreed.  Patriotism is nothing more than another form of religious zealotry.  It causes people to do irrational and disastrous things.

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'When I am abroad, I always make it a rule never to criticize or attack the government of my own country. I make up for lost time when I come home.'

 

Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

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this made me think about all my favouite quotes on this topic.

“It is not always the same thing to be a good man and a good citizen.” Aristotle

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Excellent quote.

 

Nationalism in China is used to justify all manner of revolting (and violent, and dangerous) behaviour.

 

During the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands hostilities last year, one of my colleagues – in a state of obvious excitement – asked me what I thought about the anti-Japan demonstrations.

 

Me: You mean Chinese people attacking each other, smashing up cars, and looting each other's shops? I think it’s disgusting behaviour.

Him: What? No! It shows that Chinese people love their country.

Me:  Well I wouldn’t attack random people in my country. Because actually that would make my country a shit place. What do Chinese people hope to achieve by assaulting each other? This is a dispute between the Chinese and Japanese governments.

Him: Governments that were voted for by the people.

Me: You didn't vote for your government.

Him: You are biased.

Me: Against who? I didn't say I support either side.

Him: You said we don't vote.

Me: .... you don't.

Him: Democracy comes in many forms.  (ends conversation)

Me: ... ...

 

The CCP relies on Chinese citizens A) conflating personal pride with national pride*, and B) not recognising the difference between country and government**. Chinese people are extremely easy to manipulate when it comes to national perceptions and matters of "sovereignty".

 

*: Chinese people are not encouraged to have a sense of self-worth based on positive attributes. Instead of valuing personal qualities and achievements, they derive pride from national myths and nationalistic slogans (e.g. “5000 years of history”), which, if questioned, evoke irrational anger.

 

**: "Love your country" (a dodgy proposition at best) in China means "Love the Communist Party". The confusion between “country” and “CCP” is absolutely necessary when explaining why "China" should control Taiwan.

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Incidentally, if any locals are reading this Q&A I'd be very interested in your views as well.

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Local here.

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There are some excellent quotes and examples here, and I'd like people to continue contributing if you feel there's anything you'd like to add.  

But I'd also like to broaden the scope a little - perhaps something for any (amateur or professional) psychologists out there.  Does anyone here have a good explanation of why patriotism so readily lends itself to this darker side of human nature?

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I always thought Patriotism was the day you were supposed to party and get high...

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There are cookies, bookies and too many rookies for me to sit here trying to be a hooky! Looky Looky don't call me a wooky. Touchy Touchy Feely Feely Spicy Spicy Nicey Nicey & that's what the doctor Ordered!!

 
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Could it be the basic need to belong to a group? "my group is better than yours".

Most people identify themselves with their country first, then their home town/city a so on down. To stand out from the group can be dangerous which is why is easy to manipulate people: “if you don’t believe/do this, you are not part of the group” which can be dangerous for some.

Who was it said: “if you are not with us, you are against us” – another-words no room for asking questions.

“First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.”

Martin Niemöller (1892-1984)

Just some thoughts .

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At it's very core, patriotism is the worship of government, regardless of what the dictionary says.  A country is the land and it's people.  Loving your country simply entails taking care of nature and showing respect and honor to the citizens.  Patriotism as we know it today is no more than a word the government uses to provoke obedience.  

Love of country can be immediately seen by the condition of the environment and the attitudes of people.  "Patriotism" can be observed by blind fervor for an ideology.  If you truly love your country, it isn't too much of an effort to extend that love beyond the artificial boundaries of your nation.  But Patriotism guards those petty man-made lines on a map to the point of killing others who live opposite those lines and disagree with their government's ideology.

 

Patriotism is more damaging in China because the government here has only a few, diminishing choices in controlling their people.  Harmonized education has bred passive minds into the citizens and  totalitarian control has bred fear:  fertile ground for the destructive form of patriotism.

 

So in summary, patriotism often leads to tragedy because it is a tool of the government and governments are more about power and control than they are about real love for their respective countries.

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I've heard quite a few local people repeat a similar mantra of:

 

"I love my country, I am a patriot"

 

How can one love a country? Surely the phrase is an oxymoron?

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I would suggest that the only significant difference between Chinese patriotism and any other patriotism is the degree, and method, to which the people have been manipulated from day dot. It happens in other countries, but due to different factors, the effects are a little different.

 

Most people would call themselves 'patriotic' (except Aussies, who don't give much of a shit, and don't know the words of the 2nd line to our national anthem Tongue), and for the most part, would think similarly... except, in many countries, we do differentiate between 'country' and 'government'. But, this goes the other way, too. When we think of bagging another nation, we're not thinking of the 'country', but usually of their government (and, sometimes, their people).

 

Who said "the best slave is the one who doesn't believe s/he is"??

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https://www.scmp.com/video/china/2169194/chinese-tv-drama-mothers-life-triggers-controversy-over-role-women

 

Obey your husband and in laws, great tv brainwashing with the bullshit virtue and patriotism agenda.

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