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Q: Regarding orphaned Chinese girls adopted by Westerners
As most of you know, many unwanted Chinese baby girls are adopted by Western families every year. Have you ever revealed to your friends or coworkers here in China that many of the babies their countrymen and perhaps they themselves disregarded because of their sex eventually became Americans, Bits, Canadians, etc.? How did they react to it?
9 years 27 weeks ago in Family & Kids - China
"As most of you know," typical Chinese way to begin a topic.
Yet another account created and tended by a troll.
Scandinavian:
what's you on about boy, just because Facebook has ZERO users called Mary Celeste doesn't mean it cannot be a real person behind the name of an old ship !
MaryCeleste:
Geez, man. Lay-off, would ya? Dude, I'm American. I'll have you know that demonstrating paranoia is also "typical" of a "Chinese troll." I mean, come on. Enough's enough with the Chinese troll accusations, arright? You're going full-on Mccarthy, and I'm sure your intentions are all good and stuff, but it really makes you seem like a ####. Just chill. Relax. I'm not a troll, and I trust you're not one, either. Of course, hehe, maybe you ARE a troll and you're trying to hide it by accusing others of being trolls. Just kidding. I trust ya ;-) As for my screen name, it would appear nobody here knows the story of the Mary Celeste, one of if not the most famous ghost ship in history. It's not my name, haha. I'm a dude.
RiriRiri:
I'm backing you on that one. Typical working method of Almost all trolls we find around here:
Blah topic shooting questions with hardly any personal stake or backstory from the author.
Either seen before or quite consensual topic ("What do you think about crapping on the street?" - Oh, it's obviously fine.).
New account shooting new topics, all with the same pattern, hardly related. Normal people don't do that.
Your typical lazy writing, "As most of us know", "Us vs. Them".
I've had vague doubts on that one ever since it popped. Now I have clear doubts.
MaryCeleste:
Oh come on! That's not funny. You want my number here in China? Would it please the court of paranoid McCarthies if you actually spoke with me on the phone and validated that I really am an American, and an increasingly insulted one at that? I tell ya what, if the administrator, whom I have nothing against BTW (it's you paranoia agents who are acting like here's) asks for my number, I'll give it to him or her and then we can have a nice little chat about how paranoid and rude you guys are acting tonight.
mArtiAn:
Doesn't sound like a troll to me, his speech sounds natural and easy not forced and thought out. But then for all I know people on here still think i'm Chinese. I'd change that name though, everyone's going to just call you Mary. Unless...you know...you 'want' people to call you Mary...which is cool, which is cool, i'm not judging, just saying that's all, it's kind of difficult to have a serious conversation about Chinese foreign policy or economics or whatever stuff you came here to chat about when everyone's calling you Mary.
sm90:
Typical Almost and Tarzan behaviour, spamming the entire question section with politics...
Sinobear:
First, automatic thumbs down for questioning a poster's altruism.
Second, why in the heck would someone who is supportively new to China care a whit about how adopted children are perceived? One would think, if one is prone to thinking, that a newbie would have a lot more to worry about, fresh-off-the-boat, than the perceptions of foreigners "in our home countries."
At least Samsara employs critical thinking and sticks to his guns.
International adoption is down, many agencies have gone broke. Adopting from China is getting more difficult due to Chinas domestic policies How much is many? It's an expensive process. Chinese children suffer from growth and development delays.>> 14% lead found
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/parenting/the-painful-new-realities-...
The more interesting question is , Almost (CFTU) or Matty.
MissA:
My vote: almost. Mattayayayayaya always used a million emoticons and steered away from.asking questions on controvertial topics.
A lot of Chinese children adopted internationally were actually the victims of kidnapping. Well-intentioned adoptive parents might be funding human trafficking without knowing about it. http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/26/buy-sell-adopt-child-trafficking-in-china/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
Hmmmm...I'm torn on this subject. On the one hand, girl babies are dumped, seen as being chopsticks (ie worthless ). but then seen as accessories in the west (USA in particular). Have a read of "Poem for an unknown mother " by Xinran....absolutely heart-wrenching book 
Cultural Authenticity Lesson for MaryCeleste, #1.
OK, I'm going to give you a few pointers, so that next time you come back you can blend in with us humans a bit better (and appear less like a goofy alien wearing a human suit).
Firstly:
"Geez**, man**. Lay-off**, would ya?** Dude**, I'm American."
Goodness. While I understand that you were trying to use the American vernacular, you really overdid it. No American actually talks like this. The examples above are all legitimate Americanisms (which I guess they teach you in "Talk like an American" class), but Americans use them intermittently and casually, rather than jamming them all together.
If someone questions my Aussie cred, I don't respond with "I'm a true blue Aussie. Good onya, mate. Chuck another shrimp on the barbie." Almost claimed to be Australian, and did exactly the same thing (went completely overboard with the Australianisms) when challenged. Restraint is the key.
Secondly:
No "dude" ever says "hehe". Silva, however, said it a lot...
Thirdly:
When mArtiAn made what was obviously a joke about "picking up a bad habit", you didn't get it. Like Chinese people don't get obvious inference/puns/sarcasm. And like Silva missed obvious figures of Western speech all the time. If you're confused by something a person from Foreignland says, don't comment. It's a dead giveaway.
Well that should be enough to work with for now. In your future posts, try to ease back on the cultural lingo. I'll give you some more pointers after your next attempt.
mArtiAn:
I wondered about that 'bad habit' thing, but decided he was just making a crap joke.
mArtiAn:
Arghh, that be a fine idea me hearty, arghh, Jim lad, that be jus' fine, me little pudding pop. (Sorry, lost it there at the end, didn't I?)
Scandinavian:
@Monkey. "International Talk Like a Pirate Day" is September 19th, so if you start seeding the idea now, maybe by this time next year we will have wumaos claiming to come from Piratistan. (or 海盗海岛)
expatlife26:
Yeah 100% right about the speech being overly casual...
I dunno i'm getting less and less certain about these trolls. I think the hehe is a pretty solid giveaway it wasnt a native english speaker thats the chinese way of writing laughter. liike how you talk to spanish speakers they go jaja.
The style of asking a question which comes off as kinda...negativity bait is a dead giveaway. I respect a good honest rant...happens to the best of us. But who just asks these negative leading questions?
mArtiAn:
C'mon, I write 'hehe', it's crap and looks lame in print but I write it. Hehe. See! I wrote it right there! Hehe. I wrote it again!
You're all fucking wumaos. All of you are on the CCPayroll. Even me.
Wait... then we're all wumaos arguing with each other... uhh.... I...
mArtiAn:
Gets confusing I know but f*** it, just take the money and run, we've all got iPhones to buy, who cares?
This is one of those emotive subjects that is probably best addressed by people with direct experience of it. My thoughts are below. I do have a totally open mind on this though, so if anyone with direct experience makes a comment, be assured my opinion can turn on a dime in support.
As others have said above, the laws had to be tightened up because of baby traficing. Supply feeding demand and all that. I recall there was a case a few years ago of a lorry loaded with stolen babies being stopped in west China. Fifty or so babies had been stuffed into cardboard boxes and many had died. Such are the lengths that criminals will go to for a buck.
For many years, Guangzhou was the biggest "exporter" of foreign babies in the world. This was mostly centered on the White Swan Hotel. I think the reason for it being centered in China was to do with the definition of "orphan". That is, both natural parents can be living, but the baby could be classed as an orphan if the parents wrote a letter explaining their inability to care for their child.
Basically, it came down to adoptive parents from abroad who maybe failed the criteria for adoption in their own country, could adopt here.
Is that wrong? Of course not. Especially in a nation with loads of unwanted baby girls.
Are foreign babies seen as fashion items by foreign parents?
I don't think so. If anything, the adoptive parents probably think they are saving their new child from grinding poverty.
Overall, I think it is a good thing for each individual baby and their new parents.
As a collective group of thousands of kids and parents , I can see how people's objections might arise. Taking children from their culture, integration issues in the new country, the above mentioned trafficing issues, etc.
On the whole, I would wager there are more happy endings than sad endings 
So it's a good thing.
Someone's upset he can't get a girlfriend and only makes 5 cent a post.
Ha! Already blocked. Maybe admin could see it was the same IP address.
I agree with the troll assessment. Fits almost's pattern almost (no pun) exactly. Vague, divisive topics posted with like Riri said, no personal investment in the topic.
Generic question like "Did your ex's mother destroy your relationship?" is most likely bullshit. It's just a leading question to promote that kind of Us vs. Them thinking. Again quoting Riri there who put his finger on it much better than I could.
Might as well be "Do YOU have a vague sense of unease that you can blame on others?"
Martian posts a horror story about his MIL and I can tell it's a real person with real frustrations. Scan as well.
Maryceleste got defensive right outta the gate.
I wouldnt like being accused of being a troll on a new forum either but I dont think a normal person reacts like that. Goes right to mccarthyism to try and make everyone look like a bunch of paranoid assholes instead of saying "hey i'm just trying to post here fuck off" like a normal person would.
Topic created by Silva (1.5 years ago)
Topic created by Almost (2.5 years ago)
Both resurrected by MaryCeleste. What an amazing coincidence.
Ok so remember for next time:
- Don't deliver topics in a bulk. Too easily spotted.
- Express yourself with more fluidity. Overuse of oral doesn't equal authenticity... dude.
- Go for it like TV show writers: draw a comprehensive backstory of your characters before you launch them. People here do have an attention span. Discrepancies won't cut it, remember the Almost disaster.
- Don't forget to be natural. If you try to impersonate too much, you'll end up overly defensive, just like you did just now.
- Try to put stakes in your questions. If you're going to make us feel insecure, try to make genuine stories that we can bond with. Don't just assume you can shoot stuff and that we'll naturally meet you halfway. Used to work, but doesn't anymore.
Do you want me to make up some archetypes you can use?
coineineagh:
are these pointers intended to make a worthwile board poster out of a malicious scammer? i'm glad i can still spot the difference… "if you help with rhyme and verse, you're just making things worse."
RiriRiri:
Yes, that's my intention.
Since we're stuck with all this garbage, at least let's make it entertaining.
TedDBayer:
Silva/ Matty never let anything personal out, IT never answered comment questions.
I still want to see the me, Samsara, and Hulk China debate.
Samsara will blame everything on theism, and lack of thought
I will blame everything on Jews, Mel Gibson, and Lenin
and Hulk will blame everything on running out o Jack Daniel's.
Samsara:
Haha! I would like to see that too, though I believe you have accurately foreseen the conclusion.
