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Q: Religion and politics.... good combination or not?

I'm just listening to a radio thing about the US presidential election for this year, and this guy Mitt is a mormon. Gingrich is a Catholic. Bush was an idiot. The US probably will not have a pagan or muslim president for decades. It is basically controlled by Christians (though behind the scenes are a lot of Jewish people).

Many other countries have strong connections with one religion or another - Buddhists, Muslims and Hindus being obvious.

China (and Russia) is supposed to be atheist (HA!!!)

Do you think the connection between religion and politics is good or bad?

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Have you been home lately?
We cant call it Chrismass anymore
we have boats arriving by the fleet load and a minority has more rights than a citizen
and as more of a certin religion arrive more go into politics so they can take over by stelth
so I would say it is a bad thingangry
good Q
sorry it struck a nerve

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A) no... (well, not for over a year)

B) cool! (I'm a pagan, and that has struck a nerve with me for a long time.... at least the Solstice is an internationally recognised event - albeit, not a a 'festival' per se for most)

C) so? I don't think that's where the problem is really coming from

D) And, Christianity hasn't dominated??? (remember Howard?? Gay rights and marriage, drugs)

Hopefully, we live in a democracy, and any one religion and its views won't adversely affect the majority of people... maybe....

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Of course it's a bad thing to mix politics and religion.
But in the US you can't even get elected to the city council without being a church going Christian, let alone the US senate or Presidency.
Rebublicans have been using wedge issues and fear tactics to gain the support of a large chunk of the population even though these are the same people getting screwed the most by their policies.
The term right-wing Christian is an oxymoron....they claim to be Christian but in practice are the exact opposite...especially with the policies they support.
The US uses religion in the same way that muslim countries do....sow fear in the uneducated masses to draw support based on religious ideology.  This is very dangerous....just look back 50 years and religion was used to justify the Jim Crow laws and other segregationist policies and the violence that was the result.
Religion in politics is just another means of control by manipulation.

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Jesus himself said "Give to Ceasar what belongs to him, and to God what is His".  And I agree, religion and politics are like water and oil, do not mix at all !.

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Before I start let me just say I am English so do not have all the first hand knowledge of American poloitics so if I make any gaffs on here please correct me and forgive me. Although I believe what I am about to say is true either side of the pond.

Okay, is a combination of religion and politics a good thing? Well, lets just take a look at this. Historically religion has relied on ignorance to maintain its followers, and it still does. Examples. just take a look at the Catholic stance on the use of condoms in Africa, the fundamentalist christian groups who only want creationism taught in schools, the idea that the bible as we know it today is the true word of God despite the fact that the bible today leaves out many of the books that were around in the time of Jesus and the ones that have remained have been doctored in so many ways to present the story as agreed 300 years after the death of Jesus. The hypocrisy of the church today shines like a beacon for anyone who cares to look with clear sight. Jesus said "suffer the little children to come to me", well enough very young children have suffered over the years at the hands of predatory priests. It is also said that it is easier to pass a cmel through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven, despite this the catholic church is one of the richest organisations in the world. I do not remember the words except when your government wants you to go to war being added to thou shalt not kill. There are numerous more examples butyou get the idea.

Politics, well that is another sewer most of us would not wish to dip our toe into much less swim in it. England is said to have given democracy to the world. It may well have done a few hundred years ago but true democracy is nigh on dead in the UK. We are promised everything at election time and most if not all of it is forgetten by the time the votes are counted. Referendum in EU membership, what happened to that idea. Peerages for money, illegal wars, expenses scandles, greasing the right palms in the middle east to secure arms deals;  the list just goes on. In the US we had the great debacle over the Florida vote with GWBs election, Obama trying his hardest to socialise the US. Would Lincoln even recognise what the US stands for anymore? Both sides of the pond tax their people as hard as possible, what happened to free enterprise. I thought it was about raising your own postition and taking care of family, not to support wastrel policies of governemnts that are elected by a minority of the overall population. And that is before we even look at the military-industrial complex.

So do we want to see a system whereby a hypocritcal group of religious fanatics combine with a system whereby its top members are backed by the shadowy elite in the world and have then sold out to big business globally. I don't think so. The answer to the question has to be a resounding NO.

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I don't care what religion the president or any politician is, as long as they don't bring it into their politics. Don't make decisions for me based on your godly visions or your interpretation of the Bible.

The vast majority of the population of America is christian, so by numbers alone, christians control the vote. Fortunately, they don't all ban together and share the same views on important things.

Anyone who threatens a woman's right to chose (aka pro-life/against abortion) won't get elected.
Anyone who believes african-american kids should be put to work in the school they are attending so they can learn work ethic... won't get elected.
Anyone speaking out against gay rights or threatening the progress of gay marriage will have a hard time getting elected.
Anyone hiding their fortune in the Caymans, refusing to produce their tax statements, won't get elected.

The top three rep contenders have done their best to offend women, african americans, the gay community, and tax payers/ the 99%.
Several times I have heard primary voters say something akin to lesser of the evils when asked about how they voted. Nobody is sweeping the primaries.  
I think Obama is pretty safe. 

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I don't care what religion the president or any politician is, as long as they don't bring it into their politics. Don't make decisions for me based on your godly visions or your interpretation of the Bible.

The vast majority of the population of America is christian, so by numbers alone, christians control the vote. Fortunately, they don't all ban together and share the same views on important things.

Anyone who threatens a woman's right to chose (aka pro-life/against abortion) won't get elected.
Anyone who believes african-american kids should be put to work in the school they are attending so they can learn work ethic... won't get elected.
Anyone speaking out against gay rights or threatening the progress of gay marriage will have a hard time getting elected.
Anyone hiding their fortune in the Caymans, refusing to produce their tax statements, won't get elected.

The top three rep contenders have done their best to offend women, african americans, the gay community, and tax payers/ the 99%.
Several times I have heard primary voters say something akin to lesser of the evils when asked about how they voted. Nobody is sweeping the primaries.  
I think Obama is pretty safe. 

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I would have to agree with Hug here.

The United States was founded on the principle of separation of church and state.  This principle has been seriously eroded over the years, particularly during the course of the last 20 years, mainly by self-serving politicians who will pander to anyone and to anything.

The United States may be nominally a Christian country but that is it -- just nominally.  The vast majority of Americans are not churchgoers -- in fact the churchgoing percentage is probably equal-to-or-greater-than that of the Western European countries.  It's just a quick, knee-jerk way to get a vote and to avoid having to deal with the fundamental issues affecting the country.

You want a religious state?  Look at Iran.  Charming, isn't it?

Your want religious intolerance? Look at Northern Ireland?

You want tolerance?  Look at any of the countries where sharia law runs amuck over the civil institutions.

France has got it right.  It's secular state that won't mix religion into the political fray at any cost.

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Great idea. As long as they remain seprate and do not mix.

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