GuilinRaf:

It is kind of like when my sister and I were kids. Being older, if I misbehaved I was punished but if my sister misbehaved we were both punished. She for what she did and me for being older and "supposed to know better" or "letting it happen". I guess God was pretty new at parenting then, so He made the same mistake. Oh man! Now I gotta go to Confession AGAIN!

TedDBayer:

no ..it's because we are men,,,,it's always our fault no matter what,,, we know this

Jnusb416:

Actually, that's not what I meant. I just thought that Adam was equally guilty in that he didn't own up to his mistake. After all, he just said it was Eve's fault, like he had no choice in eating it. I think Adam and Eve are equally guilty in their own way, one is not better than the other.

GuilinRaf:

No!!!!!!! Way too often pretty maidens are the ones selected for sacrifice!!!! We need alternative criteria!!!

Njord:

I'm a born again heathen and proud of it...

TedDBayer:

OK ,,,yeah,, forgot about sacrificing virgins,, never believed that anyway,, I think they nail her and she was going to tell,,,,, why waste one

Shining_brow:

Good luck! No, seriously!!

I hope you intend to invite in other religious groups as well. There's a lot that could be learned, if people are open to accepting differences. (which tends to mean, - accepting that one's religion is purely a personal choice).

I won't agree with some of your beliefs, nor some of the ways you choose to practice them... but as long as you stick to adhering to them yourself and not force others (and I would include any children in that) onto others... it's all good! :)

Chewbacca:

Views, ideas. Tips on how to avoid temptations in life that would lead to sin. p.s. your post made me chuckle so have an up vote

iWolf:

Exchanging ideas about how to get away with kiddie fiddling in thw 21st century would be about the only thing that pair of hypocrites could agree upon.

Shining_brow:

I slightly disagree... religion was "created" (made) to keep people from being fully responsible for themselves - and thus, giving their power to other people - the ones at the top who control what you should and shouldn't feel (or do).

So, I think it's less about keeping criminals in check, and more about personal power issues.

Shining_brow:

Btw - you do realise that 'pagan' and 'atheist' are virtually diametrically opposed, don't you?? Pagans believe in 'god' (for a given definition of 'god').

ScotsAlan:

Downvote from me.

Lord_hanson:

Sure don't stand uo to bullies, see how far that gets you.

Mateusz:

If it's private, then why go on eChinacities to tell everyone about your views (especially when phrasing them as insults)?

You hate it when people tell you about their religious beliefs, but it's totally fine when you talk about yours. Absolutely no hypocrisy there.

iWolf:

I never said I wasn't a hypocrite....

Your god is doing a bang-up job, isn't he/she/it? Open any website and tell me I'm wrong.

So keep your obtuse religious bullshit to yourself. Bother what ever god you want but don't bother other people with this crap.

Shining_brow:

Other than human ego, what reason is there to suppose that 'god' actually gives s damn about what's happening down here on this planet, in the extremely short period of time that humans have been kicking about?

iWolf:

Clearly, if you take the minute snapshot of the world in 2015 and all the terrible things that have happened this god/talking banana;

a) doesn't give a rat's arse 

b) is a nasty piece of work

c) has a sick sense of humour

d) doesn't exist

Don't forget that this is the guy who said (paraphrased) I will always love you, I give you free will, go forth and multiply (but make sure you worship me or you will burn in hell). Worshiping him hasn't worked out too well for a lot of people. But he will always love them, so I guess we'll call that a win.

While we are talking about being a hypocrite, he's also the guy who said all women should be sold into slavery, you should stoned to death if you work on sunday, couldn't find a couple of naked people in a garden after they ate some fruit, raped Jesus married mother, killed all the first-born boys in Egypt, flooded the world and killed almost everyone and everything....the list goes on.

And still the suckers who buy into this crap skulk around the world and scam people who have no historical connection to this brand into joining up and turn them into brainless sheep. I'm trying to think of one country that is now better off for their culture destroying presence. I'm open to any suggestions.

Shining_brow:

No, iWolf - you've missed my point!

What's to say some 'thing' (that we may choose to use the term 'god' for) created this universe... and then just said "meh sod it", and moved on..

God may actually exist - but interpretations of god are a very human thing!

A and D can be very closely related, and it can be difficult to judge either way!

So - don't go bitching on this god... go bitching on those who choose to believe crap! (crap being - lack of evidence, and bucketloads of hypocrisy).

iWolf:

I'm with you now and see no flaw in your argument

Mateusz:

Who exactly is "my god"?

Since you asked for it... you are wrong.

Also, keep your religious bullshit to yourself. The only people who care about your religion are people who share your religious views, so just stick your head in an echo chamber, and have fun.

You think you have it all figured out, that you are smart enough to understand the machinations of the universe. Cool. Your fellow zealots will pat you on the back and give you cookies for all your enlightenment. You'll find it far more productive to preach to them anyhow.

iWolf:

Sorry Mobtuse but you don't make any sense. A little too much happy-clapping today perhaps? Drunk on the wine of god?

Who exactly is "my god"?

Your god would be the one you worship. Take your pick.

Since you asked for it... you are wrong

Yes, I asked for it. Please explain where I was wrong.

The only people who care about your religion are people who share your religious views

Sorry, I thought a person of average intelligence would have realised that I have no religion

Your fellow zealots will pat you on the back and give you cookies for all your enlightenment

Quick definition (Zealot) a member of an ancient Jewish sect in Judea in the first century who fought to the death against the Romans and who killed or persecuted Jews who collaborated with the Romans

I am not Jewish (see previous disambiguation) but I am circumsized and am not old enough to have fought against Romans

Why would Zealots give me cookies of all things?? Bagels perhaps or some Kosher sweetmeats.

You'll find it far more productive to preach to them anyhow.

Since these guys (The Zealots) were around about 2000 years ago, I'd have a stab in the dark and say that they are probably all dead.

Mateusz:

You’re the one who claimed to know about me and my religion, so why should I tell you? I don’t want to spoil your assumptions about others.

“Yes, I asked for it. Please explain where I was wrong.”

You never stated which God/god you are criticizing for failing to live up to your expectations, and you also never explained how you are qualified to be an authority on judging deities.

You also misspelled my name, unless you thought “Mobtuse” was a witty, biting insult. There was no clapping, happy or otherwise, nor am I intoxicated. Perhaps I’ll make unfounded judgments about you too, to be fair. Are you an angsty pre-teen? I really hope so, and that you’re not physically an adult. To be fair, I went through a phase like yours, insulting people who believed in a god/God I didn't, all because I was smarter than them, and I had it all figured out. I was as smug in my understanding of the world as you are. That was right before I started high school.

Tell me, how is it that you can presume to judge?
Are you:
1: Have total understanding reality, omniscience beyond any God/god, some level of superior being?
2: An authority about the moral code of the mulitverse/universe?
3: Talking out of your ass

If it’s the first one, I’m curious why you are wasting your talents online? If you have an understanding of the universe beyond mortal humans, enough to judge God (who you say doesn’t exist… having your cake, eating it too, then claiming the cake was too stale, and that there is no such thing as cake in the world), you should be out philosophizing, spreading your wisdom to the masses.

If it’s two, where does one get such a license? Understanding just human laws of one country requires considerable amount of time in a dedicated university.  What sort of institution teaches the about the legal code of reality?

It couldn’t possibly be that humans are limited beings, constrained in their ability to understand reality, and therefore if God did exist, that such a being would be beyond human understanding. That’s impossible… nothing is beyond human understanding (or at least your understanding).

“So keep your obtuse religious bullshit to yourself. Bother what ever god you want but don't bother other people with this crap.”

And yet, you post on, bothering people with your religious views, which you believe in so much that other people’s religious views are “bullshit”. Preach brother! Preach the Truth.

“Sorry, I thought a person of average intelligence would have realised that I have no religion”

I would have thought you would realize you have been spouting your religious views on this website… unless you have been randomly punching keys unaware of what comes onto the screen (plausible, considering the output).

Fun fact: Words can have more than one meaning.  It can also mean “a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.” Will you tell hip-hop fans that Tupac Shakur was never a thug, since he wasn’t part of an assassin cult devoted to Kali?

Bonus tip: Extra question marks doesn’t make you extra cool.

At least we agree you’re a hypocrite.

What exactly are you attempting to accomplish here? You can’t prove your point, and offer nothing but childish insults. Are you seriously hoping that others will see your wisdom, and come to a realization that they were wrong about their beliefs all along due to your rapier wit and brilliance, then drop their beliefs and follow yours? If not, you’re spouting your own views just to insult others, which is even worst that most evangelicals I have met. At least they have a genuine (if misguided) sense that their work will save people’s souls, rather than just being a dick to be a dick.

iWolf:

Ha ha ha. Nice job Mobtuse but i couldn't get past the second paragraph of that turgid dribble. Once it was clear that you had nothing other than schoolboy taunts and butthurt crybaby whining and actually weren't going to address any of the points made in either a humorous, intelligent, or logical way, you lost me. But well done on the lenght.

Shining_brow:

Children!

Go to your rooms!

And you can't come out, or have supper, till you've made up!

iWolf:

I'm almost tempted to go for the one with the magic underpants. Sounds cool. The Morons??