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Q: Residence Permit (Marriage), is a visa required?

I'm married to a Chinese resident and in two weeks I'll be going to the PSB to get my two year residence permit. It will cost me 800 rmb. I've done the medical test and everything else.  My wife and I went there earlier to register and had to deal with everything that was needed. They eventually told us that we had to wait due to her residence card not showing that she's lived here for six months. Now I'm at the end of my current visa and and her card says that she's been here for six months , I'm about to register for this permit. After this thing goes through, I don't see why it wouldn't, will I be required to also pay for another visa or will the permit be enough since I'm married?

7 years 42 weeks ago in  Visa & Legalities - Zhuhai

 
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I am a non-attorney spokes-person, but didn't you ask at the PSB? I'm leaning to you need a visa.blush

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When you say you are married to a Chinese resident, do you mean a foreigner living here on a Z or D visa?

 

It makes a difference to the type of visa your resident permit is attached to.

 

A Q visa if you are married to a Chinese National, an S visa if you a visiting a foreigner. Yes I know you don't actually get a visa in your passport if you apply for the RP here, but the visa type is on the RP.

 

No matter what type you apply for, if you are applying for it in China you need to have a current visa in your passport. If you don't have a current visa you are in the country illegally and can be deported.

 

When you get your resident permit it supersedes your visa. You can come and go as you please for the validity period of your RP. Your RP will be your visa.  But remember, you are not allowed to work. If you want to take a job you need a Z visa.

 

If your current visa is going to expire before you get to the PSB you need to leave China and get another one. Or ask the PSB if they can extend it if your on a tourist visa.

 

If your visa is going to expire the day after you go to the PSB you need to talk to them now to ask what you have to do. They are a helpful bunch I found.

 

Whatever you do, don't overstay your current visa. You may not be allowed back in, depending on the mood of the border guards. If they are in a really bad mood they might not let you out !!!!!

 

Good luck and have fun wink

 

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Wow that was very helpful thank you. I'm currently in China on a L visa and it expires at the end of this month. My Chinese national wife and I will be going on the 15th to get the RP. So, I'm assuming you actually know what you're talking about and with that sounds like I don't need a new visa. We've got all the paperwork in order and just need to go there and hand them it and the money.

ScotsAlan:

Don't be sure about me knowing anything .

 

If your married to a Chinese national it will be a Q1 you are going for.

 

You don't actually get the visa here, it's just a catagory to put you into. If you were coming here to stay with your Chinese wife, then you would apply for your Q1 in your home country, then come here and apply for your RP.

 

15 days is fine to process your RP application.  When you go the the office and give them your passport they will give you a receipt which will basically then be your identification.

 

My mate got a Q1 residence permit earlier this year. It took about a week and a half after he submitted his application.

 

I have never heard of this 6 month residency rule for Chinese wives though. Is she a Chinese national? Not an overseas Chinese? In any case, why wait till the 15th. For something so important sooner is better than later.

 

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All good information to know, thanks

 

The six month thing is new for China. She is an actual Chinese National too. Her ID just needs to say that she has lived in Zhuhai for 6 months before I can stay here with her. 

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ScotsAlan:

Ah right. I know of the ID card you mean. It's the card people from different provencies are supposed to have to work in another provence.

 

A lot of Chinese people try to avoid getting them because it renders them liable to tax. But they need one if they have a "registered" job, for want of a better word. It's a bit like a work permit. 

 

I am sure if your wife has hers in GD provence for 5 years she can apply directly to GD Government for passports etc.

 

You will need that when you go for your baby book too .

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Oh I have so much to learn. What do you mean "baby book"?

 

I wasn't aware that even Chinese nationals needed a work permit. Can you explain more about the five year thing please?

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ScotsAlan:

I may not be totally accurate here, but I think this is how it works.

 

Your wife will have a "Household registration" book, often called the family book. This is her "houkou". It basically lists her family as living in a certain area of a certain town, somewhere in China. This is her hometown, or ancestral home. It will also classify her as a "farmer" or "urban". Each of these classifications have slightly different rights and benefits.

 

If she needs any official documents or to get married etc, she needs to do this in her hometown. Because this is where she is registered.

 

But if she decides not to stay in her hometown and move to a different provence to live and work, she will need to apply for a residence permit for that provence.  This acts like a work permit in a way because she will need this to pay tax etc to the local Government.  She will also need this to rent a house in the new provence.  If she gets paid cash in hand and rents from a dodgy landlord she can avoid this. But to do any official stuff she needs it.

 

But to get married you still both need to go to her hometown, where her Houkou (family book) is.

 

Basically, anything free or subsidized is only provided where her Houkou is located. So if she has a kid, the school is a lot cheaper in her hometown. Same with healthcare.

 

Houkou can be moved to a different place, but it can be difficult and expensive to do so.

 

The 5 year rule just says that if she lives and works in GD for 5 years, the GD Government will allow her to do certain official things in GD provence rather than go back to her hometown. For example, if your wife is a GD native, she can easily apply for a HK/Macau travel permit and visa, so she can visit HK easily. If she is from Henan, for example, it's not so easy for her to go to HK.  But if she is from Henan and stays here (officially registered) for 5 years she can get many of the same benefits as a GD native.

 

It's all to do with keeping control of migration within China. Because basically they don't want 400 million people all going to one city at once to look for work.

 

The baby book is "permission to have a baby".  If you want to have a baby with your wife you will need this. And to get the baby book you need to be married. If you don't have a baby book and your wife is expecting..... she will not get treatment at hospital after a certain stage of her pregnancy.  Also her baby will not be issued an ID number. Unless you pay a fine which varies from place to place. In Guangzhou for example, a second baby fine is either 200k or 400k rmb. Can't remember offhand which, but it's not small money.  In another hometown it might be a few 10ks RMB.

 

Your wife will have more understanding of this than me. And apologies upfront for any errors I made above :-)

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xinyuren:

I pretty much agree with all ScotsAlan said except for the baby book.  We never received permission to have a baby.  We just had it.  No problem for the authorities or the hospital.  Maybe they didn't know about the regulations.  Anyways, I will look into it because another one is on the way.  You seem to be all set.  You will get a RP and the will put a Q1 or Q2 visa in your passport.

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Awesome guys, thanks so much for all your help. I'll look into the baby book too, it's good to know. 

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two ways:

1 if you are foreigners working in China, you have to apply for the work permit and resident permit. if your spouse or kids wanna live here, need to apply for family visa. 

 

2 if your spouse is Chinese, as foreigner, you need to apply for S visa which will allow you to stay and live in China but you can not work in China. 

 

Chinese doesn't need work permit to work in China.

ironman510:

If you have an Online business that sends your salary to your wifes account or your account on Paypal or home country then you can work from home on a Q visa.

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jayz123:

Agree.

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