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Q: School didn't pay salary for June, because I refuse to sign new Contract

I was working and receiving monthly salary under F visa. Instead signing a new Contract, I found new School to work for, and sign Contract with them.

 

My School didn't pay my last salary for June 2012. What should I do? I need an advice, please!

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Thanks for all your comments!

 

I received my June pay later in a day yesterday.

 

I signed Contract with new School in Dalian last week. They applied for Working permit last week also. We are currently waiting for PSB reply.

 

Problem I had was: I cannot get Z or F visa without School as my employeer. 

How could it be my fault, if School made me work with wrong visa?

 

It can be my fault, just because we are in China. 

 

Thanks!

 

 

Xpat.John:

Glad you got your pay, I think that luck was really on your side.

 

Enjoy Dalian, it is one of my favorite cities in China.  The winters are brutal, but the summers are awesome.  Be sure to find the bar named Friends, it was my favorite hangout when I lived there.  The owners are awesome people.

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-Learn English? I mean seriously, if you're teaching English, and you can't write it, who is going to want you to work for them?

-English teachers who aren't educated native speakers are asking to be hurt. No, it isn't fair, but this isn't America. This is China, and you're SOL.

icnif77:

I got your point! 

 

But who, beside Foreign English teachers in China is able to grade Foreign English teacher? Think about Chinese staff?

Do you know many Chinese English teachers which English level is so high, they can evaluate English knowledge of the Foreign English Teacher? Kindergarten, Primary and Middle School Chinese English Teachers?

 

Somebody won't be hurt because level of his or her English is poor.

Somebody will be hurt, because Chinese are practical liars! They lie for fun!

They cheat as you turn around! And they always like to save 'their face'!

 

Now, I don't argue your statement about my poor English language!  Reference letters, I received from 4 Chinese Schools say, you are wrong!

I can forward them to your email address.

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What do you expect the Chinese schools to say? "Sorry, you really need work on your language skills." Of course not, because they don't care! They are going to tell you "you're wonderful," because to them, you probably are, and probably speak better than most of them. However, that, in and of itself, does not make you a great English user!

 

To get an idea of how we are doing in any given discipline, we measure ourselves against the best, not the worst!

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Wildwood, NJ 08260? I am not from the same city as Crimo's 'Im from NJ....... 

 

I wouldn't expect Principal will walk with me once a week, on my way out of the School during last year.

Month after my beginning to teach at Middle School, Principal said: 'I enjoy students response, when they see you!

quote: 'If students like the teacher, they like the subject, too!

 

I was invited to NO Summer Camp for the second time this year. Contract signing was offered early (April), with 20% pay raise, and guaranteed 150 teaching hours in 30 days of the Camp. 3 teachers at the beginning, 1 teacher last ten days of the Camp.

At NO Schools, students grade the teacher. My last year's grade was 4.5 (1-5) from approx. 140 students.

I don't sing, dance or wear costumes in my classes. I am dressed in formal shirt, pants and shoes.

Last year, I held private classes for 3 students, who are studying abroad (New Zealand and USA).

 

I am Non-native English teacher!

 

I promise to all, I will study English writing more as soon as I find some free time.

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Sweet Mother of G*d,

Read the above and bang head on the door.

I have a degree in Russian, and a minor in Linguistics, and what happens? You make almost as much money as me.

-Nobody is mocking you, but you are proof most Chinese employers, and most Chinese English consumers have NO idea what they want, what they need, and what they pay for.

 

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The advice above is a little blunt, but probably fair. You're putting yourself at a real disadvantage working with such relatively weak language skills. It makes recourse more difficult if you're screwed over, which is something you should anticipate in China.

 

With that said, I know a case where a guy, like you, wasn't paid a final month's salary he was completely entitled to. He went in, made a MASSIVE scene and told the school's managers that what they were doing was unconscionable and that he would slander them across town and that he would then take to the internet and write a blow-by-blow account of his grievances against them, with an invitation for anybody considering working for them to contact his email address. It worked; he got most of the money he was entitled to.

GuilinRaf:

Last year.  I just sat in the bosses office and refused to leave until i got paid. It was close to lunch time and they wanted to go, but did not want to leave me alone in the office, so finally, at 12:30 they paid me.

 

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I think if we choose to work in China, we have to be prepared for these things. Accept the loss, and move on.

Or if you really need the money, I think you have to go into 'attack' mode and try to damage the schools reputation so that they will fear losing business, then they may pay you.

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lmao if you dont have a z visa you are working illigally and will be deported if you report this and the fine is 10000 rmb and kicked in the azz out og here for 10 years so basically you have no standing

icnif77:

What is my choice? Who applied for my visas? Hiring manager did. He said, I will work with F 30 days only!. Then, I will go to HK,and return to China with Z. On the 2nd F extension, I wasn't even at the Police Station. Company extended F, when I was 100 km away, working at their School.

 

'30 days' turned into 5 months. F extended twice. School, I am working at 'is not authorized to hire Foreign workers'.

What did I do wrong?

I don't have anything to do with Visas! I applied for one 30 days L visa at my first arrival to China. That are all visas I asked Chinese for.

 

 

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If you did not work with a Z visa, then like they have pointed out, you are basically screwed. Take it as an expensive lesson and do NOT accept future emplayoment unless they provide you with a Z visa.

 

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yes working on an f visa is against the law you can be kicked out for 10 years find a  good school that will do the proper paper work what city are you in

elchinocabron:

At bat22,

 

The new law will be in effect from July 2013. Get your facts straight.

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The bad news: Your visa does not allow you to work in China.  Not being the one who arranged for your visa is not an excuse.

 

The good news: They just passed a law that will heavily punish your employer for having you work for them.  So you can use this as a threat for you paycheck.

 

The bad news: By turning in your employer, you will almost certainly be deported from China.  And if your employer has good connections, or pays off the right people, they will not be punished at all.

 

The good news: You hopefully have learned from this experience and will not allow your next employer to do this to you again.

elchinocabron:

At Xpat  John<

The new laws are effective from July 2013. 

 

All you can do is stand your ground, Make a scene till they give in. That Usually works for some. Apart from that there is not really much you can do.

 

 

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go to the psb and tell them that story. they will fix the problem. 

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devil oh yessss.... they will 

there is about right time to do so 

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Do the right thing and report that to the PSB or the they will solve it but if you want  do it the dodgy way then i think you should agree on signing a new contract take the salary of june and say goodbye to them.....but am not recommending that at all....i just said what i think your choices are

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Thanks for all your comments!

 

I received my June pay later in a day yesterday.

 

I signed Contract with new School in Dalian last week. They applied for Working permit last week also. We are currently waiting for PSB reply.

 

Problem I had was: I cannot get Z or F visa without School as my employeer. 

How could it be my fault, if School made me work with wrong visa?

 

It can be my fault, just because we are in China. 

 

Thanks!

 

 

Xpat.John:

Glad you got your pay, I think that luck was really on your side.

 

Enjoy Dalian, it is one of my favorite cities in China.  The winters are brutal, but the summers are awesome.  Be sure to find the bar named Friends, it was my favorite hangout when I lived there.  The owners are awesome people.

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You will have to stop working for them with a F visa and find a new contract that can legally provide you a z visa, for which you will have to leave mainland China and the new contract will have to issue you all the legal papers such as an invitation letter, a future contract it requires to come back with a Z visa, the most practical place is to go is Hong Kong that a fly ticket is not that much.

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why the blank can't i leave a comment. if you come to a place like china without doing your homework it is your fault. be an adult and take responsibility for yourself. it starts while you are still in your home country. if they tell you to come in on a tourist , when your goal is to work then you should be smart enough to know something is wrong. no country in the world allows people to work on a tourist visa. 

 

learn to accept what you did wrong in the matter. 

icnif77:

Thanks Crimo! 

 

'Come in China with L visa' was advice from EF Tangshan as my first venue in China. After arrival to Tangshan, EF will send new teacher to S. Korea. Return to China with Z. I believe they're still doing the same way today.

 

How can you be smarter than Chinese Company which is giving you advice to enter China with L, while you are still in USA or UK?

 

I wasn't! I just listen to them, applied for L, and arrived to China.

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i'm a dumbass but i did my homework. i checked the internet learned not to trust chinese companies. read the horror stories about teachers being lied to. read the china embassy page , the damn us embassy page even warns you about shady schools. do your damn homework, you still don't get it??? and think about send new teachers to korea to have them reenter with the proper visas?????? no wonder chinese think all foreigners are dumb

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