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Q: Sending your kids to a Chinese school

I've lived here for four years now,i've been married for 6 or 7 year's.I have 2 kids I keep telling myself education is ok at the start of their lives,they can learn Chinese,enjoy the culture.But the only things they learn at school are to act like animals,slurp food don;t give a fuhj about anyone else,don't ask questions in class,and don;t forget too hate Japan.How do you combat the shit fed to your children without,seeming so ??????????????

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send them to a boarding school in the philippines , not to expensive  and close to china, tough choice, thank god i never had any children and im a selfish asshole.

paulmartin:

If they are to go any where it wiuld be the UK,i didn;t give you thumbs down by the way and thank you for your advice

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i'm giving you thumbs down. send your young children away to the phils??????????? wtf?!?!?! 

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yes the kids went to private school in the philippines because the wife wanted to travel with me and make a 100 k a year instead of being a mother, so they stayed with grandma,

but karma gets everyone eventually , the stepdaughters are in college and i pay the tuition because the x wife married a richer guy and they went broke together. to bad the xwife could never save money , she could be retired early like myself , the workaholic who cant seem to retire. divorced for 10 years but grandma , mother in law still calls me on my birthday every year. imagine that

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no problem paul , i pay no attention to thumbs anyway, my first wife from the phillipines has 2 daughters when i married her and i sent them to ateneo in davao city and the cost was 80 dollars a month , it was alot of money for people there and they did very well in america when they immigrated , one daughter was advanced 2 grades. their both in college now, mother divorced me when they were in high school , raised them from the age of 3 and 1.

good luck to you

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You might want to check out other schools in your area.  There are foreigner only schools in some cities that will bypass some of the political nonsense.  But, they can be really costly.

 

Right now my boys (5 years old) go to a "private" school in Guangzhou and they are actually taught very well, even if they have to wear the most hideous school uniform I have ever seen.

 

They will probably go to school there until they are 12, then they will come to the US for the rest of their education.  As far as the table manners go, I make sure that I correct any bad habits I see at the dinner table.

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Indoctrination is a common thing and relative.

Are American kids who blindly support their countries invasion of other countries in the hollow name of freedom any different?  (Yes GB is just as guilty)

The only chance you have is private school and teaching your kids the truth yourself.

I personally would not want my kid to remain in China past about 6 or 7 years old.

Educational curriculum is dictated by the state...and all states have their own objectives in how children view the world.

Blind faith in anything especially a government is very dangerous...think 1939 Germany.

Does your wife conform too?  She needs to be on your side.

Scandinavian:

oooohhh. I agree with what you say, but "teach the truth" is wrong. Teach that every story has more than one side.

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you should consider home schooling young children while in china, they are very impressionable 1 - 6 . these are the foundation building years of their personality. 

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many homeschool curriculum available on the internet, quite common in the us

five of the last 8 years , the national spelling bee , 8th grade level , has been won by a home schooler.

 

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My daughter will go to a Chinese school until she is 11 then we'll return to the UK and she will go to a good UK Secondary (High) School and hopefully University after that.

I want her to get into the study habits that the Chinese schools teach, and I'm willing to take some risks to get that. She will, of course, get Chinese / Asian history more than our European / UK history, which means she may have problems with history when we go to the UK. Of course there is the propaganda but parental responsibilities are not abdicated when a child goes to school and I will do all in my power to enshrine in her mind, the sentence I consider to be the most valuable in the entire educational process:

 

"What is your evidence for that?"

 

I will then continue to teach her how to recognise valid evidence from BS. I foresee some battles and problems, but I think my plan has the best chance of getting a good quality of life / work ethic / educational ability balance.

mattsm84:

The good news is that you have years to figure out how to deal with the problem that "what is your proof of that" is going to provoke. Really, there are only three ways that your daughter can answer. First, circularly. It's true because my teacher says it, and she says it because its true. Second, a series of proofs, given seemingly  ad infinitum, that you ultimately find to be unconvincing and that all require further proof. That is, at least until (third) you hit on a set of bedrock assumptions that you either agree with, because you're her father and you gave her those assumptions to begin with, or you disagree with, which are bound happen because you are raising her in another culture which will impart its own values to her. Anyway, good luck pulling yourself out of quicksand with your own hair. 

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Actually, its distrust of the educational system, and of middle and high school in particular, that has convinced me to move back home before I start a family. As I said earlier a real concern for me is that they'll be too attached to a Chinese way of doing things even as they live in the US. I can already see that their mother is gearing up to shift into full on tiger mother mode immediately after giving birth. I hope that it doesn't cost them a large portion of their childhood while they are young, or cripple their social skills from pre-adolescence to adulthood.  I'm also worried that it'll ultimately hold them back in their professional lives as they get passed over for promotions in favor of less technically proficient coworkers that are frankly just better at doing things like networking and self promotion. If you look at the statistics on this, the bamboo ceiling is very real. 

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As crimochina and ambivalenmace said, I share the same ideas. 

Since I arrived and started to work with the little kids I ended up with an almost belief that this should be the way to help your kids better raise in mind and heart:

 

Home schooling, private tutors.

 

They won't be stolen their infancy, they won't get confused with the collective education that defines the educational ideal here in China and elsewhere in the world, though prominently in this Country.  They won't be prevented from evolving into what they want and can be,  following their own talents, natural gifts intellectually, emotionally and physically.

 

Since I arrived here I started to seriously wonder myself why parents are so determined to send their kids almost to an intellectual death sentence when they send them to kindergartens With big families at home, the children won't ever be or feel alone. With private teachers, the education would be different. Up to 6 years. Would a kid, afterwards, by the time to go to school be unable to integrate into his group? He will be struggling for a while, maybe,  but his emotional and intellectual abilities at least won't be downtrodden by the so called education they get in a kindergarten for example.

 

The infancy until age 6,  I believe it's the most important period in our life time. Thus, what ever it's planted during that period of time will nourish your energy, skills and  will for the rest of your life. It will encourage to become what you want to become or it will discourage you to the level that the collective ideals will prevail your will and abilities to find the way to reach your goals in life. 

 

Here in China, kids are raised to follow orders. From the very early age, they are pushed to sit down and do nothing, seating quite and silenced for hours contrary to the very childhood nature: playing, playing and playing. Discipline at any cost to such extent that  talents they are gifted with are dying before even being discovered. Anything that may jeopardize the discipline in a classroom is discouraged. 

Some Chinese teachers are aware of those things and since I started to work with them, somehow they pay attention to  a different way of understanding a child: first respect him as person. Understand his mind and soul: he is vulnerable and he needs your support. Encourage him to become what he likes to, even though his evolution may impose some changes in your way of teaching. Adapt to him, that should be the way , don't make him to adapt to you as he won't understand it. Don't make him to execute orders. He is not a robot.  

As a result of it, in one of my classes, the most chaotic one, I have several kids who already show up with their love for math, music and of course English too. Particularly one, aged 5 proves to have a high IQ and is the one who never stops asking any teacher: Why? Why? Why?

I just love it! 

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you should consider an international school, you can find them in big cities like, guangzhou, beijing, shanghai. your kids will get a chance to mix with kids from all over the world including chinese, ive worked with a few kids from an international school , they seem to pick up a lot of languages

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My kids will not set one foot inside a school in China. Already have plans to send the kids to boarding school back in oz. 

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