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Q: Should teachers try to impose their values on students?

I know that teaching western culture is crucial to teaching English, which is one of the many reasons non-native speakers should not be teaching the language (near-native speakers perhaps are an exception to this rule).

 

However, should either native or non-native speakers impose their personal values and beliefs on students?

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  I don't agree that teaching western culture is necessary in teaching English. I've been teaching English for 8/9 years and don't need to do anything other than give them the tools of the language. Also don't agree that non-native speakers shouldn't be teaching the language: as long as the teacher's level is above that of the students he/she is in an appropriate position to guide them towards language progression. And teaching one's personal values isn't the responsibility of a teacher either; although I do encourage my students that bestiality is something each of us should experience and experiment with at some time in our lives if we wish to reach anything resembling a full and defined stage of maturity.

Traveler:

I don 't agree with your first point (culture and language are inseperable), partially agree with your second (at least IELTS 7.0 EDIT: and 5 years western culture exposure), but thumbs up for the bestiality.

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Where is the line between culture and values? I'm required to teach culture, but if the thin red line is a subjective thing then I'm going to be teaching values to some and culture to others in every class. That said, I always plainly differentiate between the opinions or beliefs of 'the majority/some/few of Americans' and 'myself'. 

 

"You can entertain a thought without accepting it, unless you're a closed minded hermit crab." -Aristotle

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no, they paid for you to teach a subject. they didn't pay to hear you talk down to them. the classroom is not the place the impose your values. 

 

i'm going to give you an example. i had some friends over to show them what a real burger is.  while handling the meat, i always washed my hands after handling the meat and every time before going back to handling the meat.  that shocked them, and i explained why. 

values are not to be imposed on anyone else. each person should decide their own values. if you want to teach values, the best way to teach values is by being an example of those values.

 

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That's the best way to teach values indeed. Thanks crimochina. 

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I am pretty sure the Chinese Government doesn't want you to impose your Judeo-Christian values. Imposing values sounds perilously close to one of the reasons for colonization (We are teaching these savages the RIGHT way). Impose whose values? Western values? Pray do tell what that might be. I am sure that Europe is considered Western and their values differ from Americans. Heck, even in Europe you have different sets of values. For your language and culture argument I refer to German, French Spanish etc. speakers, I am sure they are regarded as "westerners" too. Your job as an Educator should never be to impose values but rather giving a student the tools to determine his own set of values. It is arrogant to want to impose your own set of values on other people. What if the Chinese decide to impose their values on you?

 

That would be a sight to behold

 

 

Amonk:

You mean like how every single day Chinese people tell us how we're doing things the wrong way? How we're drinking water that is too cold, that we should be visiting home more, that we should be celebrating Chinese New Year, that China is democratic, that civil rights aren't important... I don't know what part of China you live in, but not a day has gone by without someone pointing out "the difference between Chinese and Western culture", and telling me why the Chinese version is better. And it's not as though we're having a debate on it, they ask me a question, I answer simply, and they launch into a tirade on what I should be doing. I don't know how many times I've had to defend against criticism for my use of floss (that's bad for you!), or carrying a bottle of Purell around (just water is fine, soap is unnecessary!). But I'm wondering- at what point do you draw the line between cultural difference, personal values, and scientific consensus?

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mattsm84:

They do. You've never heard one of them use the phrase "when in Rome..."?

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Hulk:

Amonk, wow... I get that same crap every day.

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chefatwork:

Like we every day use a sentence starting with the words "back home......"? In the Western world immigrants get shunned for not assimilating into the culture yet we have the right to try and change their culture? Crimo had it right lead by example, not by "imposing your culture". I agree there are many things here that I don't agree with but yet I still choose to stay here. The day it gets too much for me is the day I will pack my bags and leave. With regards to homework, cheating and the like that comes down to classroom management, also values are evolving all of the time. Western and Chinese values and I do think both sides have room for improvement. 

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Amonk:

I think about the immigrant perspective chefatwork, but the fact of the matter is that we are not allowed to immigrate here. Immigrants are incapable of simply 'packing their bags and going home', since the country they immigrate to IS their country. A Chinese who moves to the US is going to take flak for not assimillating because they have switched their nationality to American and given up their association to China. An American who attempts to assimmilate will simply be a stateless individual, as China (government, people) will not accept that person on a permanant basis. 

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chefatwork:

It might be the case that we can not immigrate here but still, do we have the right to impose our values? Can't different communities have different values? Do you value you set of values higher than a Muslim's? Buhddist's? Republican? Democrat? Not a single foreigner in this country has been invited here because of his values that he could impose on unsuspecting students. I will be just as pissed off if my child back home gets forced to sit through morning prayer, Koran readings or Jehova's witness ramblings because the teacher feels the urge to impose values. How about teachers do their jobs and teach English after all that is what you were employed to do.

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It depends on what you're teaching. If you're just teaching a test prep class, then no. If you're teaching a foreign English class at like a HS or a cram school, then its part of your job to talk about western culture, but not to impose it on your students. If you're teaching a class full of students that intend to study or work in the west, you do them a disservice if you don't encourage them try to adopt new habits that run counter to their cultural values to better succeed in their studies or at their work. For instance, in US Universities, and even in STEM programs, a greater portion of a persons grade is dictated by participation in group discussions and projects, and new students should be made aware as early as possible that simply data mining and cramming their way through a course, as they have been trained to do by the Chinese Educational system, isn't really going to help them in the long run. Similarly, in the Chinese corporate world you get promoted by working hard and waiting for your turn to get promoted (or by knowing somebody), while in the US a certain about of tooting your own horn is needed if you want to advance in your career. In fact, many companies employ organizations like www.leap.org specifically to help these East Asian immigrants, and people of Asian decent make the adjustment to a business environment that does not share their cultural values. In not at least discussing this a little bit, you do your student's a disservice. Beyond that, its something as foreign teachers, and as, many of us, the fathers, or potential fathers, of half Asian children we need to be aware of.  

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I teach and examine English.

 

Part of that includes imposing my moralistic, decadent, westernised values of 'not cheating', and 'hand in homework on time; and, 'you will fail if you don't pull your finger out and study'.. ( as well as , 'no spitting in the classroom').

 

If they have a problem with this, they need to find a new teacher Smile

Amonk:

Yes! Plagiarism is apparently just part of "Chinese culture", if some of my students are to be believed. If it's 'cultural imperialism' to demand original work, I guess I'm an evil American imperialist.

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crimochina:

that is not imposing your values. that is doing your job as a teacher. 

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Your words, my words. Thanks Shining. 

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I won't answer your question(Drunk as it looks it bothers you there are non-native English speakers teaching English in this Country. I will let you enjoy the benefit of being born in an English speaking country. I can answer your related questions, but I believe you seek a sort of appreciation for being a real English man. Maybe you should ask for a raise in your salary.  Under signed:  a non-native.

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I think it all depends on what you mean by 'personal values'.

In the main my answer would be no, teach the subject you have  been hired to teach and that is all. Teach ABOUT the culture of course, that aids learning. Of course educationally related values have to be taught and enforced, i.e. plagiarism, and general classroom rules sufficient to ensure the classroom is a safe and friendly place for leaning to occur, but for me that is all.

There will of course be some almost subliminal teaching of your personal values as the way you conduct yourself in the school and your every day life if your students see you outside the classroom, but that will be 'leading by example' type teaching (as Crimo suggested). 

For many 'western' people, our personal values include human rights, democracy, rule of law, anti-corruption, religion, and many others, any teacher who tries to teach those in a Chinese classroom deserves all the flak he / she gets.

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if the  values are the grand history of china and the decadence of the west.

Traveler:

That is very odd, that you think decadence is a value to be pushed onto Chinese students. Odder still that you think 2,200 years of civil wars, corruption, occupation by foreign powers and rule by tyrants is a grand history.

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Jíliú.hé:

this man does not know what sarcasm is.

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