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Q: Single parent moving to china to teach english

Hi I am interested in moving to china. I am from the uk only speak english and am a single parent with a 7 year old son. I don't have much money. I am educated to college level but have no degree. Does anyone know how I can make my dream a reality and live in china for a year and possibly much longer? Also would I be able to pay for all my costs and an international school for my son on the salary expected?

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Without wanting to be rotten or spoil your dream, unless you are a fully qualified teacher (which you evidently are not given you have no degree), you're not going to be able to make a salary that supports yourself and covers the not insignificant expense of sending your son to an international school. Technically, you will not be entitled to a work visa anyway as you have no degree (though that requirement can sometimes be circumnavigated, it piles more risk on yourself and your child).

 

Without your child, it may be doable. With a child, I think you are taking a substantial risk coming here and I would honestly recommend that you think again.

Katy87:

I might consider other options for his education if there is any cheaper 

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Kaiwen:

I am really sorry to say this but China is not the kind of environment for that way of thinking. Cheaper means state schools and that would be devastating for your child's life and progression. Really, the only options are private tutoring or international school - both of which require high financial input. Unless you have substantial personal savings to fall back on, you are not going to do it on the salary that an unqualified English teacher will command.

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Would me home tutoring and an helper around the home be suitable maybe? This is only a plan for a year or two. Hopefully my partner will get a job to in a year or two they are going to be studying in Beijing. We can't think of many other ways for us to be together except for me to try teaching. It is difficult. I don't have many savings.

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we are all telling you the God's honest truth girl. There is no school your child can go to even if you put him in a Chinese government school he won't understand a single thing. There is no other option and there will be no help that you can afford, the only hope and help your son has to learn anything is a Filipino maid and they cost at least 5,000 RMB a month. You are dreaming this plan of yours won't work unless your son can stay in the UK.

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Sounds like a bad idea. You son is too young to be left on his own and when you speak English only I doubt you can find anyone you will feel comfortable leaving him with. 

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It is possible to find legal teaching work without a degree, but not in Beijing. Also the salary you can expect without having a degree would not be enough to send your child to international school. Please rethink the idea.

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It is too risky, because of your kid.

 

I suggest, you open jobs page here, and send few CV to the Schools you are interested in. You will see Schools interest in your 'no degree' CV, and how much money you could earn working here. Requirement for Z visa is degree. It is possible to get job in China without it, but School which will be able to get you legal teaching work will also offer you much lower salary. Chinese bargain at anything.

 

.....China is not the kind of environment for that way of thinking....

Katy87:

How would you suggest I go about moving to Beijing ?

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ironman510:

I would Suggest not moving there at all! Because the air won't be healthy for your son. Sorry just thinking as a good father. Oh I forgot your son doesn't have a father, so

I'll help you. Shenzhen has great air due to the fact we are near the sea. Check on a pollution app.

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I really want to move to Beijing for a year or two not sure what to do now. I didn't think there would be to many issues in moving.

icnif77:

Get job first! School will send all documents to Chinese Embassy in UK, and you can come to China as legal teacher (with Z visa), if that's possible without degree.

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Rin:

Also be careful of the sleazy recruiters that will offer you a legal visa. They will trick you into coming here on a tourist visa, then the working visa never materializes. Then you end up here illegal with your son in tow. Not good.

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crimochina:

this is china!?!?  it is a police state. did you think they'll welcome you in with open arms.

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ironman510:

@crimochina: You rock man, we are in police state now. So Katy87, better listen to the public here.

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@Katy87, you have proved my point perfectly. You stated:"""" I didn't think there would be this many issues.""""

 

That's Correct, because you didn't think. But think now, find a new GF in UK and go back to school and improve yourself and education for your son's sake. Don't you know how important a 7 year olds mind is?

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I think home schooling could be an option, but I don't think you could afford a home help in Beijing on a no degree salary. (if you can even find work in Beijing) I think this highly unlikely with a reputable company. You could try smaller cities. Hebei is the province surrounding Beijing. You may be able to find something there. The average salary there is around 5000 RMB a month.
Anyone know how much an international school costs these days?
Also, what happens when you eventually go back to England ? If you are home schooling then he will be on a completely different level than his classmates.

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Apart from the fact that you would be working illegally, and subject to a lot of psychological abuse, you would also be subjecting your child to a lot of hardship.

 

I do not think China is any place to raise a child, if there is an alternative that is better.

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actuallly it is illegal to teach in china without a degree.  those schools are doing sth illegal. and no you will not be able to afford, baby sitter costs. intl schooling. 

 

unless you want to have a student neglect your 7 year old. 

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What is your reason for wanting this, is it to teach or is it to experience China. Why not start by getting a 3 month tourist visa and see how it is. 

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@Scandinavian.....do we really want to risk our reputation? Haven't we had enough of tourist visa teachers? In the last few years our reputation has been tarnished and trashed by all of these on unqualified teachers. Now some of them have been criminals and had Histories in their own countries with sexual harassment and other offenses that now have affected our reputation even the legal working visa teachers have been affected by this. I really hope they can stop these illegal teachers from coming here. But I know that will never happen it will always be like this.

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not suggesting working on a tourist visa, just hanging in China on a tourist visa might be an idea to see if China is actually what she wants, if it is then start working on a way to actually live here. 

 

 

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Ok Man, Thats cool, I can go along with that, we can always try before we buy.

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Let me tell you how it is and this is the truth. Obviously you won't be able to get a working permit. So the only place that you can work would be in Shenzhen, and your salary could be around 12,000. But with the new visa laws coming out in September you would have to take you and your son to Hong Kong every 3 months to 6 months to renew your visa and that would cost you so much money. You wouldn't really save anything. And you would be tempting fate. Meaning what happens if you did get caught you and your son could be fined and blacklisted by the police and because your passport is registered to a bank in china you would lose all of your money before leaving china for working illegally. You didn't know that? Of course the police can seize all of your accounts because your passport number is registered there.

Second best option is to find a foreigner who is legally allowed to work here and marry him, he becomes the step father of your son, now he can get you a resident permit to stay here as long as he stays here.

Or you have to marry a Chinese man. There are many men who want to marry a foreign girl.

You must sacrifice in life for yourself and for your son and take a few risks. It's how we have to survive in the world. So I think getting married in China is the best option for you if you really want to make it in China. But you still run the risk of being caught not that it's a very big risk. The risk is yours to take.

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oh and one more thing your child will have to be homeschooled because it's the only option available. You'll have to find an online school program for your kids to study online. There is no way in hell you can afford to take your kid to an international school.

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Rin:

From a previous thread it seems she want's to come here to be with her girlfriend who is a student in Beijing. So I guess marrying a guy wouldn't be an option.

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ironman510:

@Rin... yeah you're right, I just saw that now, so that won't work.

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Katy87:

Yes I am a lesbian so would not be in a relationship sexually with a man ever. Also I have a gf an am faithful to her and yes she is the reason I want to live in china.

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@Katy87

 

But don't you see, you're unqualified to come here. Let me ask you, are you making a mature adult choice? NO.

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ironman510:

How do you have a son? Just just stated that you'll never have a relationship with a man. Did you adopt or kidnapped this child? And you gotta get to China to hide him or something like that?

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Katy87:

Obviously I did have a relationship with a man at one point. But I love my Chinese gf and don't want to just find a gf in the uk. 

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@Katy87 Did you ever hear the term love blinds you? Well it does and it's clearly blinded your better sense of judgement. Please think about your son, you're not a single girl that can be adventuress anymore, you have a real responsibility now, your son always comes first. You can find a new gf someday that you can love equally the same.

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If your Chinese girlfriend really loved you and your son, she would move to UK to be with you. Instead, she expects you to live and work illegally in China, and subject your son to air pollution that will seriously damage his health, food and water contamination that will also cause health problems, and deprive him of a decent education in the UK.

 

Not to mention that health and other services in China are extremely substandard, and his capacity for social interaction will be severely affected. Your actions will probably have detrimental effects on him for life.

 

It sounds like your girlfriend has no regard for you or him. She has her own reasons for being in China, and expects you and your son to forfeit a better life in the UK to keep her happy.

 

Either that, or you are just thinking of yourself. Is it your girlfriend's idea that you should move to China, or yours?

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Oh jeez, it turns out you are a lesbian too. This is China. Possibly amongst the least politically correct race of people on earth. Imagine this from your son's perspective. There will not be a minute of a day when the Chinese don't taunt, sneer and jeer at him. It will be psychological torture.

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I'm usually a very optimistic person but I don't think this is going to work out to be honest.  The problem is with your son of course.  Usually there are 3 ways for an expat's child to get an education in China.  First choice is an international school as you asked about.  The problem with that is it is simply unaffordable working on a teacher's salary.  Even if one make's 10,000 a month (about an average to slightly above average salary for a qualified native speaker) teaching, they'd have to spend every penny of it on getting his child into the international school.  Cross that one off.  2nd choice is probably home schooling.  If you teach outside (which you will need to in order to get a visa) then how can you home school your son?  Home schooling is a full time job.  Third option is the Chinese school.  Say what you will about the education and learning style but the primary problem with that is the language.  He won't understand anything.  Which means he won't learn, he can't build friendships, he will be totally ignored by the teacher and he'll likely be picked on by the other classmates.  In short, none of these options work for you.  I've seen a few single moms take kids here and its totally hell and not worth it in your situation.  If you could somehow make a case that you are sacrificing to come to China to provide a better life in the long term for you and your son then I could have a better outlook but I don't see it from what you are saying.  If you really want to come then try leaving your son with his father if that is an option.  Otherwise just try to visit your partner during the summer and hope after they finish their study they can join you again in the UK.  Hope I don't sound judgmental but that's the best advice I can give you. 

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If my partner got a job and we lived together would this help maybe we both worked

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Katy, China can be tough for those of us who don't have any dependents, even after spending over a year here. If you don't have the minimum required for a good teaching job in China, your position is not secure. The other posters here have offered practical advice and wish you well, but we want you to go with your eyes open to the MANY difficulties you will face. You will be entirely dependent on your partner and this will be very isolating for both you and your son. And it is not only you, but your son who will find it very difficult. PLEASE think carefully and make an informed decision.

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