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Q: So is China going to backup Russia in invading Ukraine?

As you may know or not know... 

 

Russia is planning on invading Ukraine because the people of Ukraine want to join the EU and form a more democratic country. Russia has had a stronghold on the Ukraine and doesn't want that to happen. The US is motioning to get Russia kicked out of the G8 and the G7 is canceled and will no longer be held in Sochi. 

 

Russia is still a communist country at heart and has strong ties with China. Will China backup their communist buddiy in this OR

 

Will China stay out of it because if they enter into a war, America will most likely default on their debt and this will cause China to look bad and possibly lose a lot of import/export trade... 

 

How does this effect you? 

 

If China does actively help their buddy, then this could make life here in China a lot worse for foreigners of countries that will work against Russia and China. So any opinions on this? Better to be safe than sorry. 

 

 

 

Well, 

 

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I bet these issues are just fuckingly annoying noise to China. They probably don't even get why people would fight over issues like society, religion, identity. I mean, why would citizens of whatever country fight for anything else than wealth in life? So inferior to harmonious China!

So they get the memos from Russia (not that they're friends, but at least not enemies, that must count somehow), water them down, publish them as lazy statements, sit tight and wait for next government to maybe prove sensitive to corruption (just in case).

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This does not affect me in any way, and same China. They will not interfere even verbally, nothing ofical will come out of china press about this case.

And Russia will not risk too much. it is just face show off.

 

They risk many customers can stop buying their gas and oil. EU can cover the demand from Scandinavian and M.East suppliers for some time, which will be enough to create serious damage to the Russian exports. and it may continue in many other ways.

 

This scenario simply will not happen. It is just game, if the new UA govt and its people is mentally strong enough to suffer few weeks with old machinery in their country ...

 

 

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It would be silly of China to get involved in the Ukraine issue. Why would they? This is something happening on the other side of the planet and doesn't affect China in anyway. Getting involved would mean dealing with the UN and a host of new issues. China already have enough to deal with in their own backyard. There is nothing to gain and much to lose by getting involved. Let the Europe handle their own problems. At most, China will advocate dialog to resolve the issues. 

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Some Chinese official has officially stated that diplomacy and chit chat, is a better response than military action........I tend to agree....even though I know politicians are incapable of agreeing on anything..... power to the people... that have no idea what they are doing, just like politicians..... and it goes on and on and on and on and on..

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Hum, I think you do some fairly inaccurate observations here
  - Russia is *NOT* communist at all, not in name or in facts. You have a president, an assembly. In practice, it seems it's Putin and his friends/clients who got the country under a tight grip.
  - China is *NOT* communist in the facts, it's capitalism in its wildest form. Centralized state, yes, but it's not a feature unique to communism.
  - China and Russia having strong ties, I would be nuanced. They used to be enemies a while a go, especially at the time they were both actually communists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_Split). Things are much better now, granted. They even have some joint military partnership, but so far, it's minimal with no string attached.
 

China have like, zero interests in Ukraine. Chinese businesses and investments are very small. China never been so keen in direct military intervention : the only direct intervention is anti-piracy operations along the coast of Somalia. I guess Ukrainian citizens are a "bad example" for Chinese citizens, yet Ukrainian revolts are shown on public TVs. The most annoyed in this story are Russia (Ukraine was so far some kind of buffer and customer for their gas) and Europe (they buy Russian gas, which goes across Ukraine). China won't move one finger, they will just wear the 3d glasses and eat pop-corn.

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China will act similar as when 'Up-yours' landed in HK, and asked for asylum. 

 

US blocked almost all countries, except 'Putinland'. China let him go to Russia. Buddies.

 

China won't move militarily, but at UN China stands on Russian side.

 

Crisis in Ukraine is very similar to the last Balkan crisis in 1991. Comunists try to mix different nations in Yu, and after Coms. dissolved, Serbs wanted to protect Serbians living in other, newly independent parts of ex-Yugoslavia. Serbs claimed, 'anywhere Serbians live, it's Serbian territory'.

 

Russians have strong population (and military base) in Crimea, but Crimea is part of Ukraine. For many Ukrainians Russian is Native language.

 

West position on Ukraine is rather funny: ''they support neo-nazis', who want independent Ukraine''.

 

By Prof Michel Chossudovsky 'The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine'

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government...

 

Real cause for Ukraine crisis is US reply to Russia for 'Up-yours asylum', IMO.

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I bet these issues are just fuckingly annoying noise to China. They probably don't even get why people would fight over issues like society, religion, identity. I mean, why would citizens of whatever country fight for anything else than wealth in life? So inferior to harmonious China!

So they get the memos from Russia (not that they're friends, but at least not enemies, that must count somehow), water them down, publish them as lazy statements, sit tight and wait for next government to maybe prove sensitive to corruption (just in case).

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At first this appears to be as tricky as Taiwan, but let's be real. Once Russian troops are in Ukraine, only an all out war will get them removed.  Americans are in no mood for yet another costly war overseas.  If anything, the Ukraine should invite a coalition of German, French, and British troops under the UN Peacekeeping flag to come in and park until the people of the Ukraine can vote. Putin is a very intelligent and shrewd guy who has proven to be a good political chess player (strategically and tactically).  Remove Putin and the problem resolves itself since the Russian people consider the Ukraine to be an economic burden they do not want to shoulder. If China was smart they should agree to stay out of the matter if America stops plans to build a naval base in Australia or remains silent over the Diaoyu Islands. This precarious situation gives China a lot of political leverage and zero liabilities.

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It is unlikely that NATO can sit idly by while Russia pisses in their back yard. Ukraine is on the list of candidates for NATO membership. 

 

My guess would be that China would remain "neutral" (slight lean towards Russia) and the official narrative is they hope a peaceful solution can be found. 

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russia made a mistake in 1992 by giving land to ukraine where many russians lived in hopes of keeping the country pro russian and now like an indian giver, they are taking back the land occupied by russians like they took back areas of georgia that were russian on the eve of the beijing olympics, nothing new here, the question is will they take all of ukrain and the western portion that is pro eu.

if they take the western portion then the eu looks like a fool with no power and diminishes the eu and raises the influence of america by default. the russians have 840000 trained alcoholic troops within 400 km of ukraine and ukraine has an army of 130,000.

if russia takes the west portion and the west will apply sanctions and russian investors will invest more in china, a plus for china, china sells to the eu, so they will continue to be the ostrich with their head in the sand that never takes a moral or political position on anything unless it is to their benefit against the west, without losing money.

if putin takes all of ukraine, he want be able to keep it and the pro eu citizens will cause lots of headaches for him.

the biggest reason russia invaded is they simply dont want a border country to have nato troops staring at russian troops across a fence. they want buffer countries between russian and europe. china does not want a democracy right on its border and neither does russia, its against their national interests.

every country looks out for their national interests and the invasion was no surprise to me at all, but sadly, most leaders cant think in the other man's shoes.

 

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All of us that have been in the last four administrations have drunk the Kool-Aid," James Jeffrey, a retired career U.S. diplomat said, referring to the belief that they could talk Putin into seeing the western system as beneficial. "'If they would just understand that it can be a win-win, if we can only convince them' - Putin doesn't see it," Jeffrey said. "The Chinese don't see it. And I think the Iranians don't see it." LOLOLOL

 

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/03/us-ukraine-crisis-intervention...

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Crimea votes to join Russia, accelerating Ukraine crisis

 

Putin has said Russia reserves the right to intervene militarily in other areas of Ukraine if Russian interests or the lives of Russians are in danger.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/06/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA1Q1E...

 

Post 3 days ago (beating on one's chest):

 

Crisis in Ukraine is very similar to the last Balkan crisis in 1991. Comunists tried to mix different nations in Yu, and after Coms. dissolved, Serbs wanted to protect Serbians living in other, newly independent parts of ex-Yugoslavia. Serbs claimed, 'anywhere Serbians live, it's a Serbian territory'. 'Add-it'= End of the war in 2001. Over 100 000 casualties in the middle of EU! Mass graves are still being uncovered.

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http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230336990457942117147...

 

Daniel Henninger: Putin Carterizes Obama, Totally

 

International observers?

This calls to mind Humphrey Bogart's Fred C. Dobbs facing the gang of Mexican bandidos in "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre":

Dobbs: "If you're the police, where are your badges?"

Chief bandido: "Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges!"

We may assume Mr. Putin would say the masked Russians patrolling Ukrainian Crimea are "international observers."

 

 

This WSJ blog is very, very funny!

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"Putin has said Russia reserves the right to intervene militarily in other areas of Ukraine if Russian interests or the lives of Russians are in danger" 

 

Notice to China.

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China says no room for compromise with Japan on history, territory

 

China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi gestures as he speaks during a news conference as part of the National People's Congress (NPC) in Beijing March 8, 2014.

 

(Reuters) - Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said on Saturday that there was no room for compromise with Japan on questions of history and territory.

China's ties with Japan have long been poisoned by what China sees as Japan's failure to atone for its occupation of parts of China before and during World War Two.

China's anger over the past is never far from the surface, and relations have deteriorated sharply over the past 18 months because of a dispute over a chain of uninhabited islands in the East China Sea.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/08/us-china-parliament-japan-idUSBREA2703W20140308    
  

 

 

 

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http://www.debka.com/article/23740/Moscow-secures-Crimea-poll-with-air-d...

 

Moscow secures Crimea poll with air-defense missile drill. US steps up military activity around Russia

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China is simply staying idle, watch and smile, without saying anything vague about the current crisis. China already said that they don't like meddle between the issues of two countries and ready to work along with both Ukraine and Russia. They should solve the issue with table talk. Though Ukraine is not the biggest trading partner, its business is improving. It got some military hardware from Ukraine (recent one was warship). It has significant business with Russia too. China is tight lipped because, supporting Russia is also supporting people's will or referendum for separation. Saying so, think what could happen if people closer by demand same thing here. On the other hand supporting Ukraine is to support people's movement to topple governments with mass protest. Again remember if that to allow closer at home or not?

So, I don't think there will be any preference for China taking sides.

 

 

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We are not about to back anybody up.  Russia is a partner, not an ally.  Many people don't realize that China actually has more common interest with the United States than Russia, but the ideological difference, namely China's totalitarianism, is causing the contention point.  Think about it, the annual China - US bilateral trade is in the trillion dollar club, and it creates billionaires on both sides (regardless of what these anti-globalization liberal freaks say).  With Russia, China just buys energy and there is nothing else. 

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'Did I tell you, or what did I tell you?'.....oh chest, my chest hitting with the fistangel

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/13/us-ukraine-crisis-china-idUSBR...

 

 

China warns of dangerous Russia sanctions 'spiral' China's top envoy to Germany has warned the West against punishing Russia with sanctions for its intervention in Ukraine, saying such measures could lead to a dangerous chain reaction that would be difficult to control.

In an interview with Reuters days before the European Union is threatening to impose its first sanctions on Russia since the Cold War, ambassador Shi Mingde issued the strongest warning against such measures by any top Chinese official to date.

Chinese President Xi Jinping, who will visit Berlin and other European capitals later this month, held separate phone calls on the Ukraine crisis with Merkel and U.S. President Barack Obama earlier this week.

Still, Ukraine presents Beijing with a dilemma. On the one hand it is a traditional ally of Moscow and has routinely sided with its northern neighbor in major international conflicts. On the other hand, the question of territorial integrity is a tricky issue for the Chinese because of Tibet and Taiwan.

''OP is convinced, O. should change his strategy toward P.----> 'Sprint PCS is much more reliable phone provider than Verison'' LO...O2

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I just don't think the slowing market in China needs this issue right now, nor does any country. I hope China slows Putin down.

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