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Q: Suicide in China

1. What do you think that the real suicide rate is?

2. If you were going to do it (in China), how would you go about it?

7 years 45 weeks ago in  Health & Safety - China

 
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Reading a question like this might be the first step !

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Reading a question like this might be the first step !

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Human purpose is to create not destroy!

Shining_brow:

'purpose'?? You believe that some deity created humans for a purpose???

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Maybe 'goal' would be better choice. My English varies by the time of the night surprise.

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1. China's official suicide rate is 7.8 suicides per 100,000 people (if you believe any statistics that come out of China). China's unofficial suicide rate is 22.23 people per 100,000, ranking it just outside the top ten and placing it below South Korea (28.9) but above Japan (18.5). This figure, when compared to it's geographical neighbours and level of economic development, is more believable.

 

 

Reference: "Suicide rates Data by country". World Health Organization.

2. I ride an ebike and eat food from street vendors.

Shining_brow:

The youth suicide rates could be far more telling!

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In China?

The question should be how can one survive.

Living in China=suicide.

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1. Rate: Much higher than we think or know, maybe more then Korea.

2. Marriage lol = suicide.  

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It's swept under the carpet here. People who commit suicide are erased from memories. To admit suicide happens would be to admit deficiencies in mental health care or the social welfare safety net. I know personally of 3 suicides here. All killed themselves in their work places. One was a teacher (Chinese), hung herself in the school the day before her retirement. Another, a technician, slit his wrists on the roof of a factory after his wife left him. The third was a woman who ran a noodle shop with her husband. She went to the roof of the building the noodle shop was in and jumped.

It was all swept under the carpet.

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China has the highest female suicide rate in the world, accounting for 56% of all female suicides annually, mainly young women aged 20–34 years living in rural areas.

 

this link is from 2006

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/189/5/465

https://beijingtoday.com.cn/2015/07/suicide-the-leading-killer-of-chinas...

 

However, this may not take into account deaths that are classed as 'suicide' but are not, because it may involve someone with guanxi. 

ScotsAlan:

Interesting. I would have thought Japan would have had the highest suicide rate for young women. Followed by India, given its massively unfair caste system. I wonder if religion plays a part in suicide rates. Logically it should. If you believe in reincarnation, it should follow that suicide will be more popular. Atheist countryies I think would be similar, given no God guilt and eternity in hell. In fact, thinking about it, Wahhabi Islam should have a high suicide rate, especially in impoverished war zones. Thinking more, filial piety is pretty much a religion. So the info on your link is not really surprising.

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As an afterthought about filial piety, I always struggle to understand the unrealistic demands society puts in place when it comes to people being "paired off" here. The slightest bit of physical "quirkiness" and the person can't be "married off" to the satisfaction of the parents. I have seen this first hand. It is an ugly ugly ugly aspect of Chinese culture.

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The norm is a lower suicide rate for women than there is for men.

In China over the last 30+ years girls have been of lesser value than boys and i have witnessed the results that this constant 'disappointment' girls live under.

Add to this the fierce pressure to 'marry-up' (again due to the one-child policy where a couple is supposed to support 4 aging parents).

Also traditionally, the wife is of lesser importance in a household and expected to be at the beck and call of the mother-in-law.

Add a mix of 'filial piety' and expectation of being 'traditional' yet excelling at academic studies despite them leading to jobs they are expected to leave once they marry and in general are unable to climb the promotion ladder.

 

today's 20 something's have been raised by a generation that experienced the Cultural Revolution first hand and are therefore extremely conservative and somewhat naive in their life expectations - just look at how they all learn about relationships through the most trashy tv drama's, and not through actual experience.

Try mixing this in with the expectations of being successful in the 21st century.

 

Japan did not have a Cultural Revolution that closed it off from the rest of the world and essentially destroyed a generation at a time when many advances were being made in the rest of the world, despite it still being a fairly hierarchical society.

 

Even now Chinese daughters are being pressured to excel so they attract a rich husband.

 

With poor coping skills, casual sexual and domestic violence, easy access to pesticide, especially in the countryside, and no mental health system to speak of, it is not surprising that the female suicide rate is as high as it is.

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ScotsAlan:

Very good point about the grandparents of today being uneducated because of the cultural revolution. 100%agree. One child rule... Disagree. I like the one child rule as it works towards overpopulation. But now the one child rule has become the 2 child rule... All hail freedom !!! All hail economic freedom that is. We all have the right to make babies and for those babies to have what they want. Opec cuts the oil price to harm Venezuela. Venezuela is dead. The right wing celebrate. Clinton likes fracking. Always short term. China does long term. I upgrade China to 9 out of 10.

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The most visible impact of the 'one-child policy' is the fact that (conservatively) 30 million men won't have a wife, and the recent change to a 2 child policy will not provide these men with wives.

 

The fact that it is the 20-34 age range being the highest for female suicide would have a direct relation to this. During the years of these women's birth female fetus abortion was being carried on in favour of the all valuable son.

 

Even the fact that farming families were allowed a second child if the first was a daughter sends a very strong message to women about their value and role in society.

 

Farming families tend to be even more conservative in their attitude to girls.

 

Imagine you were told that your life and the food you eat were begrudged to you every day, and that you are a disappointment for not being a son.

I have met girls like this.

Even if they succeed academically, unless they get a good job and a rich husband they will continue to disappoint their parents. 

Tie this in with boys/men who think domestic abuse is ok because grandma and mother put up with this, and the access to divorce - in the country anyway - is fairly limited and a disgrace and shame to the woman.

Oh, and it was such a disappointment what she was not a boy, but mother was forced to abort all subsequent pregnancies.

 

Granted things are changing, but not fast enough.

Without access to basic mental health care, support or understanding suicides will continue. Only recently a law against domestic violence was enacted - but knowing China the police would prefer to look the other way rather than investigate and prosecute.

how many times have we heard of couples forced to 'sort it out' themselves as they were 'exposing family ugliness'?

 

The mother of a friend of mine left an abusive relationship in Tianjin and has been struggling ever since.

 

I know this a is fairly simplistic response I know.

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ScotsAlan:

I cant cut and paste. But your comment "imagine every morsel of food you eat is begrudged" I paraphrase. And I agree. This is the culture. And dare I say, This is why China needs a new cultural revolution.

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Stiggs:

A girl I know is in the situation where she was raised with an ignorant, abusive father who beat her for not being 'good enough'. She comes from a poor farming family.. not their fault of course but it's obvious she's a country girl when you meet her and doesn't help her much when she's looked down on by society for it. She was never given any encouragement or guidance in school and life, only criticism. If she did well in a school test she would still be shamed by the family because someone else did better. She has almost zero self confidence as a result. Nothing she does is good enough. She got a job she is doing quite well in despite everything, she sends money home to the family but she still gets told she should be doing better. She has a boyfriend she wants to marry.Nice guy, works hard, responsible, looks after her as best he can but he comes from a poor farming family too so he's not good enough for her family. She is expected to somehow 'marry up' for the family. From what I've seen her situation is pretty common. No wonder the female suicide rate is what it is.

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