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Q: Supervisor doesn't know how to do her job...
Where does one go to cancel the FEC? The PSB station that issued the RP? I would think that it would be the same place that ISSUED the FEC, but that would make sense, and we all know that nothing in PRC uses logic.
Release letter: is it something that is written up by the company ("Spider no longer works here") or is it something that accompanies the FEC cancelation, and is issued by SAFEA?
8 years 48 weeks ago in Visa & Legalities - China
Release letter is issued by employer/school. I'm not sure of the content of mine-s, but I guess it says, I completed the contract and I'm cleared of any obligations toward my employer. It's written in Chinese with big red stamp on the bottom, similar as Working permit.
You'll need RL with FEC Cancel Cert. to extend RP (not exit China at the end of RP-extension), if you'll change employer. I believe, both docs. (or only FEC Cancel Cert.) are needed at new FEC issue also.
Your school (not you) must cancel FEC at SAFEA, same office at it was issued. You were present there, before you received FEC a week or two later.
SAFEA is big Gov. building, with many big Chinese flags outside. Everything 'big'.
If you completed the Contract (or resigned, because of School's contract violations) school must give both docs. to you (or to your new employer) in 30 days after your last working day. ------> Chinese law.
Employer must take you to PSB (cops big Gov. building, flags and things same as at SAFEA, except usually at diff. location), a week before expiration, most of the time to extend your RP.
You'll get either 30-days L or 30-days RP extension. That is a 'must' by Chinese law.
Purpose of 30-days RP extension is either giving time to your new employer for new-Contract-length RP extension or traveling and exiting China.
Your new employer must apply for new FEC, you must get new Medical, and other things. Everything must be completed before the 30-days RP extension expiration, and then visit to PSB for new contract length RP extension.
I never did all above myself, but I hang onto employer, and remainding them (daily) on obligations with start a month before RP expiration.
In worst case, you can dial SAFEA, and ask for help. They'll sort out your boss right away.
Spiderboenz:
There is no SAFEA number for my city. In fact, I checked the website, and there is no contact info on it.
icnif77:
What city, Province are you in?
I believe, ph. numbers on the web link are Provincial or SAFEA Headquarter numbers. Most of the time when I call, they re-direct me, either because answering person doesn't speak English or I dialed Headquarters, and they re-connect me with the right dept., where answering person always speaks English.
Despite all 'understanding', I ask agent for an email address after I introduced myself. I add: 'I'll send detailed explanation of the problem to your email address'.
I assure you, you'll see 'improvements' of your boss behaviour just few hours after you sent an email to the agent.
Spiderboenz:
30 days thing is only for if you are going to be leaving china.
I have to be the one to cancel the FEC, school is too busy.
icnif77:
Current employer must cancel FEC. It is possible to apply or cancel FEC online, but not you. Employer must do that. If they play that way, they can forget about FEC for next FT. They won't get it from SAFEA. They're telling you 'porky pies', because they probably don't like you're leaving. You need SAFEA.
You must get 30-days extension or L at PSB in your present city of work. Then, you'll travel to new job site, and your new employer must extend your RP (new contract length extension) at PSB. You must get 30-days extension, even if you won't work in China anymore. Purpose of extension is 30-days prep. time for exit, before the end of extension. Law of China! You can't and you're not required to do that alone. Your either boss must do it. Close down the shop for few hours, take cab to PSB, and give passport for extension together with your employer, who must have/show docs. that they are (still) authorised for FT hire.
icnif77:
'30 days thing is only for if you are going to be leaving china.'
Your Contract and RP expire on the same day, what theoretically means you must be in the classroom on the last day of your RP. PSB will extend your RP for 30 days or give you 30-days L.
You can travel around China with 30-days L, and make yourself ready for exit, before the extension's expiration, or you can travel to your new job site, where your new employer has 30 days time or so to extend your RP, get new FEC, new Medical and things.
You must get 30-days RP extension, doesn't matter what you want to do, exit China or change an employer.
Kapish?
I appreciate any help.
icnif77:
Can we ever get feedback from you? Especially, after call to SAFEA and its impact? Thanks!
Spiderboenz:
After 3 days of calls, and several emails... SAFEA either does not actually exist, or is super busy. I have called over 35 times... never an answer. sent several emails... no response.
icnif77:
Now, till you don't tell which no. or which Province's SAFEA link did you dial, I can say I believe that.
My experience is opposite. I dialed SAFEA in Zheijang, Liaoning, Jiangsu, Xinjiang and Fujian, and I always get prompt response. I sent an email to Fujian agent's at the beginning of Spring festival, for another FT, who is home in Cali, and I get her reply some 25 days later. She doesn't work at the Foreign dept. anymore, and she gave me current ph. no. and email address of agent in charge.
Spiderboenz:
025-83236024. Nanjing, Jiangsu. It is either busy, or rings forever.
icnif77:
I called your Nanjing's no. from Kaifeng.
'the number you have dialed is busy. Please dial later.'
That message is telling me phone is on, probably busy or phone lines are busy overall in Nanjing. Phone might 'share' the same no. with fax machine, so when fax is on you get busy signal.
Keep dialing at different times of the day, from 9am - 5pm. I think, you should be probably successful in 'siesta time'.
If not, keep going till somebody won't answer the phone. 'Rings forever' : 'wait till you get disconnected, and dial right back again, and repeat'.
SAFEA's agents are also traveling around China, so they might not be available to get phone today as in Fuzhou. I worked hard with my brick M-T with at least 5 calls each day. No answer. On Friday, she answered the call, and told me she was elsewhere on business all other days.
Keep trying, till you don't get somebody in the office.
There is another thing I did in Liaoning. I went to the Bank, and asked banker for an address of SAFEA. She dialled Gov.'s no. and set-me up an appointment, giving my mobile no. to SAFEA, who returned the call to my brick. Banks everywhere in the world have better/special phone lines than ordinary peasants. Try this as a last resort.
Spiderboenz:
SAFEA is useless for information.
3 call connections over a span of 3 days, for the same issue (follow-up calls) and was told 3 different CONTRADICTING things.
I can cancel the FEC myself. No I can't, my company has to go there to do it. No, the company has to do it online!
All three calls agreed that the 30 day extension is only for people who are leaving China. (As in, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE MAINLAND CHINA.)
The letter of release is usually written and stamped/signed by your employer.
Release letter is issued by employer/school. I'm not sure of the content of mine-s, but I guess it says, I completed the contract and I'm cleared of any obligations toward my employer. It's written in Chinese with big red stamp on the bottom, similar as Working permit.
You'll need RL with FEC Cancel Cert. to extend RP (not exit China at the end of RP-extension), if you'll change employer. I believe, both docs. (or only FEC Cancel Cert.) are needed at new FEC issue also.
Your school (not you) must cancel FEC at SAFEA, same office at it was issued. You were present there, before you received FEC a week or two later.
SAFEA is big Gov. building, with many big Chinese flags outside. Everything 'big'.
If you completed the Contract (or resigned, because of School's contract violations) school must give both docs. to you (or to your new employer) in 30 days after your last working day. ------> Chinese law.
Employer must take you to PSB (cops big Gov. building, flags and things same as at SAFEA, except usually at diff. location), a week before expiration, most of the time to extend your RP.
You'll get either 30-days L or 30-days RP extension. That is a 'must' by Chinese law.
Purpose of 30-days RP extension is either giving time to your new employer for new-Contract-length RP extension or traveling and exiting China.
Your new employer must apply for new FEC, you must get new Medical, and other things. Everything must be completed before the 30-days RP extension expiration, and then visit to PSB for new contract length RP extension.
I never did all above myself, but I hang onto employer, and remainding them (daily) on obligations with start a month before RP expiration.
In worst case, you can dial SAFEA, and ask for help. They'll sort out your boss right away.
Spiderboenz:
There is no SAFEA number for my city. In fact, I checked the website, and there is no contact info on it.
icnif77:
What city, Province are you in?
I believe, ph. numbers on the web link are Provincial or SAFEA Headquarter numbers. Most of the time when I call, they re-direct me, either because answering person doesn't speak English or I dialed Headquarters, and they re-connect me with the right dept., where answering person always speaks English.
Despite all 'understanding', I ask agent for an email address after I introduced myself. I add: 'I'll send detailed explanation of the problem to your email address'.
I assure you, you'll see 'improvements' of your boss behaviour just few hours after you sent an email to the agent.
Spiderboenz:
30 days thing is only for if you are going to be leaving china.
I have to be the one to cancel the FEC, school is too busy.
icnif77:
Current employer must cancel FEC. It is possible to apply or cancel FEC online, but not you. Employer must do that. If they play that way, they can forget about FEC for next FT. They won't get it from SAFEA. They're telling you 'porky pies', because they probably don't like you're leaving. You need SAFEA.
You must get 30-days extension or L at PSB in your present city of work. Then, you'll travel to new job site, and your new employer must extend your RP (new contract length extension) at PSB. You must get 30-days extension, even if you won't work in China anymore. Purpose of extension is 30-days prep. time for exit, before the end of extension. Law of China! You can't and you're not required to do that alone. Your either boss must do it. Close down the shop for few hours, take cab to PSB, and give passport for extension together with your employer, who must have/show docs. that they are (still) authorised for FT hire.
icnif77:
'30 days thing is only for if you are going to be leaving china.'
Your Contract and RP expire on the same day, what theoretically means you must be in the classroom on the last day of your RP. PSB will extend your RP for 30 days or give you 30-days L.
You can travel around China with 30-days L, and make yourself ready for exit, before the extension's expiration, or you can travel to your new job site, where your new employer has 30 days time or so to extend your RP, get new FEC, new Medical and things.
You must get 30-days RP extension, doesn't matter what you want to do, exit China or change an employer.
Kapish?
Funny. In my company the "superviser of everything foreign" got his.job through his relation with the office manager, he has no idea how to apply for visas for the foreign teachers, doesn't know a thing about anything related to foreigners in china (residence registration, useful advices, ...) and he is awful at communicating with the foreigners.
Oh wait, I just described every supervisers in China.
Supervisors not knowing how to do their job in China? That is normal. Just a bit annoying when they are supposed to do something for you, like giving you a release letter (from the school) or cancelling your Foreign Expert certificate.
Both of these need to be done by the school before you can take on other employment in China. The former should be easy - there are release letter forms that you should be able to find on any official (SAFEA?) websites. The latter involves going to the local PSB or just contacting them by e-mail.
You can find more information here: http://en.safea.gov.cn/2014-02/18/content_17289522.htm
You mean Supervisors should know how to do their job?
Going by what I see in China, the bigger the moron the higher he is up on the management chain.
It's not like they got the job for their skills in the first place.
I got myself squared away, however, SAFEA is useless for information. 3 call connections over a span of 3 days, for the same issue (follow-up calls) and was told 3 different CONTRADICTING things. I can cancel the FEC myself. No I can't, my company has to go there to do it. No, the company has to do it online! All three calls agreed that the 30 day extension is only for people who are leaving China. (As in, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE MAINLAND CHINA.)
Spiderboenz:
I wish I were lying. Can't make this kind of bizarre crap up..
Hotwater:
Seems icnif77 is a bit touchy here over his beloved SAFEA. Been getting defensive lately over people calling him out over referring to them all the time and now unhappy when someone reports that they are useless.
I tried them this week about my transfer of work permit from Shunde to Guangzhou. Again useless....go and talk to the labour office was my advice....the same labour office that I was trying to get advice on from SAFEA!
ScotsAlan:
Interesting stuff.
I just had a look at the SAFEA website for the first time. And it seems my category of employment does not need a degree. I fit in classification V, according to the website.
It's also interesting that it makes no mention of my employer needing a license to employ foreigners, it only says that category 2 (cultural and education experts) needs to ensure the employer has a license to employ foreigners.
Now that is strange. I know for a fact that my employer had to get a license to employ foreigners. I had to take it with me when I got my first RP. Now, this is strange if the website gives different information than the company was given.
See here:
http://guangzhou.caiep.org/guangzhou_aboutcertificates/content.php?id=15677
icnif77:
@Scots: IMO, this two are posting porky pies about Gov.
I'm not sure how moving from one employer to another works for Non-FT/other professions, so I wanted to check-out myself at Guang SAFEA. However, Hot ignores my requests about his RP, and I'm pissed-off, because my real life experience with FEB is opposite what this two lolly-pops are saying.
I'll know the A very soon!
ScotsAlan:
All I am saying icniff, is that it is not unknown for different people in the same department here to say different things. Even when I go to the local Police station to register it is not unknown for different policemen to ask for different things. You might have had good experiences with safea, but that does not mean the service is consistant across the whole country, from office to office to desk to desk.
icnif77:
@Spider: whooooa, your balls are to tiny for the word with capital 'j' letter. Get new chewing gum or I'll call Jay
!
icnif77:
@Scots: 'if I would doubt into your statement, and asked you to tell me your profession and Co./RP sponsor to check with your FEB about it, why wouldn't you give me that?'
I agree, it might not be everywhere the same. Dalian/Liaoning FEB and Henan FEB are two different stories, but still in both places they resolved my problem in less than two days. How Guangdong can be that different? I just want to place call myself.
Anyone who doubts about my FEB's support can do the same. I'll even give out my real name in PM. Why Hot is so mysterious? 'Porky pies' here.
ScotsAlan:
Icniff. GZ PSB is great in my experience. But not in everyones. UK visa center is great for some... but definately not for me. UK vis center sent my wifes passport back... empty. They illegally cancelled my daughters visa application witthout consent. I contested. Wifes visa... oh need her passport... why? No answer.. passport back with visa. Beuracracy is what it is. Sometimes works for people, sometimes not. Personally, I would never defend a system just because my experience of it was good. Other people get not so good. I believe all. I have experienced good and bad. Spider and hotwater are long time posters here. I believe what they say. I have no reason not to. China is intentionaly fuzzy. Have you ever seen a Chinese official sign anything? Nope. Chop it. Goes wrong... someone stole my chop... not my fault. Its the system. No accountability. Feel free to pm me and ask me my personal details. See how far you get with Government when you enquire about my "legal status". If anyone calls me I will draw their attention to your posts here. See what I mean ? Government is a beast. Same in any country.
Going for the raincoat instead:
Sensitive?
This is Public thread! I c&p your reply and sent it to the SAFEA for review.
I guess, you'll feel the action very soon, if lie!
@Hot: what is your profession/FEC? You can use PM. I want to check your statements by calling Guangdong. However, as I wrote earlier I must know what your profession is and maybe also Co. sponsoring your present and future RP.
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