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Q: Talking to Chinese about the Malay flight (now confirmed crashed and spotted)?

I've talked to 4 people and it is the same nonsense. 

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Same.

 

I'm beginning to suspect that Chinese people don't have emotions. They just express media-dictated sentiments.

 

Once again, Chinese people are offended by something which no one would have taken as an affront had the Beijing government not told them to be offended.

 

"Oh, the media says this is an outrageous insult to China...  RAAARGH, I'M OUTRAGED!"

 

Chinese people: Imagine being able to react to things yourself. Imagine having emotions and opinions that were not dictated by the government. That's what it's like to not be Chinese.

 

Scandinavian:

but this is an important propaganda tool, if Beijing didn't seize the chance of making them look strong and someone else weak, then what kind of leaders would they be ? 

 

when does people start questioning the fact that the Chinese satellite image where the first signs of debris was spotted was taken 3-4 days prior to being made public ? Not saying it doesn't take time to look at images, just that this seems slow to me. 

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The same nonsense but much less in consequences to the 9/11 nonsense...

Englteachted:

What does this have to do with 9/11? 

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LOL, I knew about the thumbs down

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Meh. Got small-scale argument over this with my wife

She was like "The Malaysian government was always giving information late"
I was like "I mean, duh, they always check a bit the infos before releasing them, being very careful"
She was like "But still, they did not handle that well. And maybe some are still alive, who knows"
I was all like "Duh, 2 weeks, 2000 km from the closest land, crashed on the sea, in a notoriously bad patch of sea"
She was like "Hey, that's normal, it's their relatives, they hope for them"
I was like "Relatives or not, physics and common sense applies, and if the damned pro say so, I trust this over Mr. Random Guy"
She was like "Gaaaah ! Whenever it's Chinese or from China, you always say it's garbage and doubtful !"
I was like "Well... That's kinda what I think, I mean, I live there, and see"

The joy of living in two different plane of reality

Scandinavian:

Physics don't apply to Han-Chinese.... unless you remove common sense. Saw a woman with a nasty nose-bleed yesterday. She'd smacked her head on the dashboard in a slow speed fender bender, could have be avoided with a seatbelt. She looked pretty unhappy, thank god her husband didn't care about the fact that it was purely his fault, but instead ran out and started screaming at the guy who'd made his SUV come to a slow stop at a red light. 

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Yes, I know.  T I C.  W A J !

 

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They  expect an answer and their family members returned. ok, how is that possible when the world can't find the damn crash wreckage. It crashed in the ocean, an unspecified time after the signal was lost. How the hell are they supposed to know anything!

Englteachted:

I love how the Chinese govt, immediately ruled out all of their passengers, saying none of them could have been responsible. . 

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Samsara:

"I love how the Chinese govt, immediately ruled out all of their passengers, saying none of them could have been responsible..."

 

...right after the stabbing spree in Kunming, which the Chinese government insisted was committed by terrorists. And got very angry at people who said otherwise.

 

I'm confused.

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You're not Robinson Crusoe.

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I got an answer from my wife :

We do not care if one or 2 people did it. They was Malaysian and therefore we hate all malaysia now ...

royceH:

Percentage of Malaysians who are Chinese....dah..

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Nessquick:

In this case, they are Malay, on other cases, like a Crimea or TW, they will be chinese for them ...

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People get emotional everywhere, as well as they get manipulated by the media into reacting with instincts rather than producing critical and rational thinking. This is not a China thing exclusively, but everything is sure being done in the educative process so as no rationality gets in the way of the official fairy tales.

 

Okay, now we get that out of the way, yes, there is no point discussing such hot topics here. No point whatsoever. The news have dictated the way to go, and the way to go is overreaction. If you dare question that, you will "have no heart", you will "be thinking too much", or any of the usual rationalization people get comfort with.

 

We got fed two weeks of Beijing's crybaby reactions, constantly pushing childish demands when researches were already being done, for a hundred nationals it wouldn't two shits about should they have difficulties home. But don't expect anyone to see the trick.

 

So now we know that the default strategy in Beijing, should an international incident with or without political intentions happen, is to trigger emotional overreaction with a hint of national anger.

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Sadly this is yet another tragedy which Beijing is milking for all of it's nationalistic worth. Beijing really is trying to foster a "China vs. the World" mentality.

 

Aviation being one of my fields of interest I can say (in my own opinion) that the Malaysian government haven't managed the press, nor the press conferences very well, but the Search and Rescue mission has been far from incompetent.

 

And China certainly didn't help by publishing sat-images of various floating garbage and shouting "PLANE PLANE". All of the wreckage in the pictures published by China were way too big to come from a Boeing 777.

DrMonkey:

Yeah, I love how it's just barely mentioned anywhere here : those seas have a lot of floating garbage and small petrol leaks, which does not quit help to find bits of a plane. They won't explain that yes, no bodies, but there's something called "probabilities". Let's go purely emotional, reason is for the weak...

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http://news.163.com/14/0326/02/9O7SJ4TD00014AED.html "Experts say : families of American nationals can obtain up to 5 million dollars as compensation.*" (subtext: as opposed to the 5000 dollars all families already received, which is not a compensation but who cares already, just look at the numbers, boo boo Chinese are treated so unfairly)

 

Oh, yeah, by the way, the content inside the article goes in contradiction with the title's claim. Dollars become yuan at will. Even the title changes. But who cares already, work's done, comments are angry./p>

 

*We are indeed talking about accidents happening in America with no relation whatsoever to the present events. But this gets casually mentioned only halfway into the reading, along with the fact it's not 5 million USD but 5 million RMB.

JanSk:

Oh my God, seriously? Compensation is agreed upon in international conventions. And the 5k USD is just a preliminary amount, in no way connected to the actual, final compensation in case of death/injury. But of course if the facts don't fit the propaganda needs of China then they're readily dismissed

 

Chinese media is the worst, Chinese government is the worst.

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Scandinavian:

anything that plays into the insecurity of the Chinese people is supporting the CCP. 

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yes, what a great idea make it 5 million dollars payment to every victim from the airlines and only the rich airlines will be in business and poor people in china and malaysia can walk instead of fly, what a great idea, funny how i never thought of that before and a great way to lower the carbon footprint on the planet. good intentions without any consideration of the results.

by the way, lets reverse the events and say china lost the plane with passengers going to malaysia , does anybody really think china would have handled this any better than malaysia, really?

KimOnach:

"The Malaysian government shouldn't go and make its own research without coordinating with China. Plane debris in the Indian Ocean are not proof, and we should be careful and wait for the official reports. This is a Chinese matter that will be handled by China, foreign intrusions are a breach of China's sovereignity and are hurting Chinese people's feelings."

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The 5 million USD is a total bullshit amount though. Per the Montreal convention which most countries (including China, USA, Malaysia) have ratified the payouts for the death of a passenger is about 175.000 USD per passenger. The difference is that in the states it is easier to bring Airlines to court for accidents and as such it is possible to get more compensation, but the exact amount will vary from case to case. There is no automatic 5 milion USD payout for Americans or anyone else.

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KimOnach:

Sorry, I forgot to mention the article was about accidents happening IN AMERICA, but with a title obviously and voluntarily misleading.

 

Not to mention the number is based on the usual random "expert" with no source to back it up.

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Scandinavian:

the US has a "healthy" history of huge settlements in civil lawsuits, China has an equally healthy history of a legal system that only favors the state not hte citizens. 

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expatlife26:

I agree you can't put a price on the death of a loved one and trying to bankrupt an airline is just being opportunistic and greedy.

 

It sounds to me like Malaysia had some reservations about what it wanted to say was that it revealed just how badly their air-defense network performed.

 

If it came out that their national security concerns prevented a rescue of survivors then yeah they deserve a shitstorm for letting people die, but what have then done to deserve protests at malaysian consulates?

 

I don't like that. The poor bastards working at the consulate offices don't deserve the stress of a bunch of trashy losers yelling at them because of their country of origin, even if the malaysian govt did do something bad.

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Englteachted:

"Plane debris in the Indian Ocean are not proof"

 

Yeah it could be from that other 777 that is missing around there. (Chinese all say the same nonsensical BS)

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So, here is how to shut down the mouthpieces. Before too many wild accusations start flying, lean in and go ".... back in <home country> I had a colleague from Virginia, his brother is some bigshot at Langley (explain if needed) he says they are withholding information about MH370.... during research, they found one of the Chinese passengers had a meeting two days before the flight, at a sushi place near Petronas towers (great place by the way) where he was handed a USB stick with some incriminating information about Xi... information so bad it would start a major amount of civil disorder, so the MSS had the real pilots replaced prior to take off, with Ministry of State Security agents, the agents, after turning the plane, parachuted from the cockpit windows and got picked up by a fishing boat and sailed back to safety"

 

 

Nessquick:

that's a good and believable story ;)

Now some puzzle bricks match together ...

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chinese people simply don't know how to be human. I'll give you 2 recent examples
I asked a teacher who came in wet, "was it raining outside?"
it took her 2 minutes to answer me, i actually had to ask her 3 times
here's why?
chinese thought process when answering a question: (what should i say? what is he trying to find out about me by asking, 'was it raining outside?' , why is he asking? What is the correct answer. If I say yes, and he goes outside and it is not raining, i will lose face. If I say no and he goes outside , i will lose face. what else can i say???? I will ignore the question. Oh no he asked again. I will act like I did not hear him. I know, let me search the internet for an answer. .. no wifi. I will say something neutral. )
her response: "it is ok"
I did not want to ask again.

Second my friend heard a song. Then she download ed the words.
She asked me what does the song mean because she wanted to make sure her feeling was correct.
I told her it is a song whatever you feel is ok. There is no correct feeling.
She said yes I know. But I want to know if my feelings are right.
We went on like this for 10 minutes until I stopped talking to her.

They are not allowed to have individual minds and personalities

sorrel:

yesterday i was in my local supermarket.

behind me was a very old woman with only a few items, so i thought i would let her in front, as i had quite a lot.

I gestured to her to move in front only to be met with a torrent of abuse - which i half understood. 

looking for logic ?? angry

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crimochina:

You deprived her of the opportunity to cut in front of you. Also accepting kindness from a laowai is a loss of face for all of china

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Hulk:

lmfao..... this is exactly it when talking with my MIL.

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Actually the chinese might be on to something. The latest reports turned out to be false. They still can't find that plane just garbage. We've really pucked up the ocean

icnif77:

I'm 'surprised' (suspicious) at USA&UK 'inability' to locate missing plane.

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mike168229:

@icinif: you are suprised that they could not locate a civilian aircraft flying thousands of miles from either country? are you another conspiracy nut who thinks that the US and the UK know what is going on everywhere, all the time?

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@icnif77 Maybe because the area searched is the size of Norway, in a notoriously difficult area (strong current, highly active weather) which is 2000 km from the closest base of operation (Perth) ? Several weeks also gave ample time to disperse the few debris that did not sink yet. The signal from the black boxes is detectable in a roughly one mile range, which is very small relative to the area to explore.

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icnif77:

I read somewhere, 'it's because of the protection of latest satellites ability.' Hi-tech stuff, so USA is very reserved. I'll find that article! I'm thinking about movie 'Zero dark…', when they located bin's currier. They were able to count persons (m&f, old, young) in the house in Abota…from DC through satellite. I'm convinced, vast ocean apply to today's tech, or 'noting on Earth is too vast'.

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My 'conspiracy theory': '' main cause for US silence on missing plane is 'Up-yours'! US downed the plane somehow (Hi-tech, AWACS & similar), and now US is silent as reply 'because you (China) let 'Up-yours' leave HK''.

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@icnif77: I would like to correct you with respect to Bin's case. Along with satellite US used manpower to conduct search of Bin's den lols. They used the head of Polio Control Dr Afridi, prisoner by now in Pakistan.He sent two female Polio workers on unusual search mission with devices. The two girls were successful to drop the devices in the house which helped to count on the number of people present there.

That's why Polio workers are under damn threat in Pakistan and many have been slaughtered in revenge.

Though I second you regarding US satellites and its operating abilities in the region as there are at least 100 drones flying over North of Pakistan's border with Afghanistan, loaded to exterminate anyone with barrel type object. They are following the region from Up-yours to see through the bushes but have no time for locating the plane or to expose their latest technology to investigate. Have you read about 'HAARP' which according to some experts can change the flight path of planes in the air? No, I am nut because I believe in what Up-Yours says....Oh nut

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@fidu: Not by the movie 'Zero Dark 30'. They tried with polio, but residents declined entry to 'research group'.

CIA watched the house over the satellite in WH/CIA/NSA 'situation room', and they were able to count white moving dots in the house. 2 woman at first on the laundry line. Man doesn't do laundry (that's how they knew, they were woman).  They spotted 3 women and 2 men. 3rd man wasn't leaving his room on the top of the building or compound. He would walk around building behind the wall at night, rest of the day, he would spent in his room. 

Before they give a go to SWAT for hit on the house, they were contemplating, he could be a 'drug dealer' and what not. That's in the movie. Reality might be completely something else! Have a look at flick.

 

I wanted to say, today are probably able to tape all traffic in the sky around the globe.

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"Oh I watched the movie last night and I loved the phrase, "You are fucked up by ISI "

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/disappearance-of-malaysian-airlines-flight-...

 

I take comfort that my reservations about the US and its intelligence services as well as other intelligence services closely linked to the US, especially British secret service, have been more than vindicated by Reuters in its news report on 28th March, 2014 entitled Geopolitical games handicap hunt for flight MH370

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/28/malaysia-airlines-geopolitics-...

 

While Malaysia has been accused of a muddled response and poor communications, China has showcased its growing military clout and reach, while some involved in the operation say other countries have dragged their feet on disclosing details that might give away sensitive defence data.

http://www.debka.com/article/23806/MH370-stays-missing-for-want-of-data-...

3. The governments involved in the search, the US, China, India, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, are using their resources not just to locate the missing Boeing, but for purposes of their own: a) Trials of their innovative intelligence and military technology; b) Checking out the satellite and electronic cyber resources of fellow-agencies engaged in the hunt and c) Discovering the outer limits of their colleagues’ intelligence capabilities and range in one of the most forbidding places on earth.
The lessons these powers are drawing from their own and their rivals’ performance are providing them with a study text on their comparative strengths and weaknesses in the event of potential sea, air or cyber conflicts.
It is worth noting in this regard that neither Russia nor France has volunteered to help Malaysia in the search. France’s contribution would be especially valuable in the light of its experience in the search for the Air France flight which crashed in the Atlantic in 2009 en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris. Neither was prepared to expose its satellite and intelligence resources to the competition.

The fourth week is likely to focus on scouring the sea bed for the black box of MH370. But if nothing substantial crops up yet again, the disappearance of the Malaysian airliner will have to go down as one of the unsolved mysteries of modern aviation.
The only chance of cracking it lies in all the governments taking part in the search setting aside their rivalries, pushing their experts and agents into one room and ordering them to come clean and piece together all the data they have collected. Perhaps then a true picture will finally emerge. But that is not about to happen.

Englteachted:

That article showcases how ignorant many people are about technology. Military satellites watch over target areas. Warning systems are designed to detect missile launches. They are not designed to watch every damn civilian aircraft (there are maybe over a million in the sky at one time). When they realized the flight transponder was turned off, nations had to scour through their then, days/ weeks old satellite footages to see if they caught a glimpse of a needle in a haystack.  At the same time you have a crisis going on in the Ukraine and you have to monitor for other threats. This means searching for the plane is not a priority or at least the 3rd priority and countries can not  devote all their man power to this task. Technology has it's limits, technology is science, not magic. 

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icnif77:

Yes, I agree 'targeted snoop' but still I'm sure, they can (should be able) rewind all flight in the World.

However, whatever opinion we have here, it's just guessing, not much more than that.

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Seems China has found an Orange Box 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/05/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.h...

 

I guess that makes it easier to cover up that the Malaysians did a good (or at least tried to) job

 

xinyuren:

No, they have detected an acoustic signal.  it hasn’t yet been confirmed at the time of this comment.

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Scandinavian:

yup. I heard some "expert" on Black Box tracking questioning the range of the detector vs. the depth of the ocean...  and here I thought it was the range of the transmitter that was important

 

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