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Q: Teacher slavery. Denial of illegal status.

Met a bunch of teachers tonight. Americans. All working for an international school. Not a single one has a a work permit card. They all said the school holds it.

That is slavery.

They got their jobs via echinacities adverts.

Not a single one, from about 10, had even seen a work permit.

Whats the deal with that?

Teachers too thick to use google?

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@ scotts

I'm wondering why you care so much and appear quite emotional about this situation.

I couldn't tell you the visa status of good mates here. Nor do i care. Why should i care as long as he is a decent person? It isn't something that has ever come up in conversation.

If i met some random lawai out and about and he was interested in my visa/wp details, i would think:

a) fuck off, it's none of your business

b) informant

c) do you want to measure my B against your C?

d) this is creepy

e) there are some nosy pricks about

f) who the fuck does this clown think he is?

g) all of the above

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Against the rules to answer own question.... But I want backup... it is totally and completely illegal for a compnay to withold documents that you are required to carry at all times. Agree?

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'Dial SAFEA and ask them for an opinion ....'

 

I might be a little outdated, i.e. I am not really familiar with last Law changes ... buTT.. I was working with Helen in 2010 in Hangzhou (Lin'an) at Public School on 90-days F visa. Helen promised Working permit after 90-days F, but they got me another F (and kept my passport!), instead.

I dialled SAFEA and they sort Helen out fast.

I posted here about ... one of my first threads.

Considering teachers you met, they could ask SAFEA for confidentiality, so they wouldn't meet any repercussions from the School they are working.

They could also say to the School's manager, cops ID them and asked for the Work permit card ...

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Sorry. Fucking pisses me off when I hear Americans say.... but I dont need a work visa, I am here to educate... I dont need a visa.

Follow the fucking law. Ignorance is not defense.

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What slums do you hang out in? Five years in China, I have not met a single American who has said anything like that.    

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From what I notice is that most people don't care about the laws too much when it comes to working since they only plan on staying for a year. I understand their thinking, if they get caught, its not a big deal to them, so they get a small fine and maybe get deported..they were going to leave anyway.I have even seen people who have all right credentials and from the right countries and still choose to work on a marriage or the wrong visa....in those cases its usually because the school the hires them cant hire foreigners and they just go along with it for whatever stupid reason.

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My company holds mine, I saw my WP card twice now during my renewals, for some reason transferring to a new job required me to do two 6 month working visa's, so the PSB told me my next visa will be a 1 year again after my 2018 July renewal.  So during the interview at the PSB I saw the card, held it, scanned it and gave it back to my company for safe keeping as I still just need to hold on to my passport.

 

We should note that the WP card is not an ID to show police you are legally in China, as most of us that it would help us with that so we would not need our passports in our bags 24/7 during the day.

The WP card is only a card that says we have a degree, we're healthy enough to work here, we have no criminal past and so on, than finally it is used at the PSB to give the PSB the OK to give us our working resident permit.

 

So WP card or  the old Expert stamp book 90% of companies still hold it in the HR or Accountants office locked up and thats ok, you really don't need it for anything, its useless during your daily life.  Just scan it with wechat and save it in your favorites.

 

As for American illegals working, sounds like they came here on those 10 year biz visa's and probably will never get caught unless someone reports them to the local PSB of where you get your visas at, you'd need their name and picture and a wechat ID helps. You'd get 300 RMB for each arrest.

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Sorry Scots but you’re writing bollocks here!

 

Just because they’ve never seen their work permit cards DOES NOT MAKE THEM ILLEGAL!

 

We know someone at that school who used to post on here. He’s fully legal. We also know (slightly) someone st that school who is in charge of making sure the new teachers are okay. She’s fully legal. 

 

So the school is holding their work permit cards? So what? It doesn’t make them slsves PLUS it does NOT say on the card that you have to carry it at all times (Granted the AEP booklet did say that). 

 

 

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What happens when you finish a contract and move on, does the school need to hand the card back to the PSB?

 

A school I worked at once told me that's why they kept the books we were given (forget what they were called but we got them with the RP), they needed them every time they dealt with the PSB and when a teacher left they had to be surrendered. Teachers kept losing them and causing a lot of problems so the school started holding on to them.

 

Maybe the same reason here?

 

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The WP card is virtually useless in daily life though, it isn't accepted anywhere, can't book train tickets with it, can't book hotels with it, can't open a bank account with it, etc... and if you ever get checked by the cops they will want to see your passport instead of it.

 

It just feels safer to have it, or more powerful over your own destiny in China, but it's not going to make your life any easier.

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I'm legal, always have been and I have my reasons for choosing that route,,, but I do admire the illegal workers.

 

∆ Fight The Man !

∆ Power to the People!

∆ Fk the System!

∆ Challenge Authority!

∆ Big Brother is Watching!

 

There used to be tons of illegals in Guangzhou,,,, anyone know if that's still the case?

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Scots, you're an uneducated idiot trying to pass yourself off as enlightened. 

 

"Not a single one has a a work permit card. They all said the school holds it.

That is slavery."

 

You seem to not understand English and have 0 ability to think logically. 

First let me address your misunderstanding. The FEC book was often kept by schools because it had to be returned to the govt office but if I ever needed it or requested to hold it, I would get it sometimes sign an agreement taking responsibility. So there is nothing sinister to this. If those teachers needed they could request a copy and apply for other jobs (I don't know if the original is needed)

Do you know what slavery is? No choice and and no pay are 2 big parts of slavery and those teachers can choose to leave and are being paid.

 

 

 

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Bollocks. your work permit belongs to you. Not to your emplyer.

If you are working in chna, and you dont have a work permit, in your walllet... you are not legal.

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@ scotts

I'm wondering why you care so much and appear quite emotional about this situation.

I couldn't tell you the visa status of good mates here. Nor do i care. Why should i care as long as he is a decent person? It isn't something that has ever come up in conversation.

If i met some random lawai out and about and he was interested in my visa/wp details, i would think:

a) fuck off, it's none of your business

b) informant

c) do you want to measure my B against your C?

d) this is creepy

e) there are some nosy pricks about

f) who the fuck does this clown think he is?

g) all of the above

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Maybe they couldn't get it and are feeding you ***.

As for the passport thing. it is your ID. Why would someone give up their ID.

The PSB will always give you a temporary document in lieu of your passport.

 

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About the Card and end of contract.

 

A. Contract is over, don't wanna stay.

B. Card is returned back to SAFEA, BUT, the card #number stays the same forever, its your so called Hukou working permit card#.. Just like an SSN#..

C. You get the normal release doc's and paper work from the old job and move to a new company.

D. The New company uploads the 5 doc's to the SAFEA site and waits 5 days for a date to bring the doc's in for checking (blind checking lol).

E. But the new company will select a box called "has a WP card #" they enter that and thus you are already approved and just need to wait for the new card release unless you were a bad bad boy or got a poor health check up due to that bird.

 

So I think the new system is great because they keep our card# the same.

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