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Q: Tragedy happened on the bund of Shanghai.

35 people are dead,42 people are wound on the early morning of January 1,2015 while people stepped on people's body.It happed at Shanghai city of China.Where is the Shanghai policemen while so many tourists are there?Won't you think those tourists may stupid and have less morality?Why keep pushing and moving?

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the story is a bar with coupons printed that resembled dollars dropped the coupons from a tall building and the foolish thought that it was real money and created a stampede.

so now the bar owner will be killed, the coupon thrower will be put in jail, and life goes on in china.

if the bar owner has good relationships, he will be order killed and after an appeal life in prison and in 4 years, reduced to 10 years and out. 

no relationship, well sign everything over to the wife or mistress, your days are numbered.

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It is stupid to think someone throwing real dollars.The club is responsibling for this,but not bad enough to be killed.

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Last night I almost went to the bund too.Luckily I changed my mind and did not go.My parents called me in the early morning to make sure if I am fine when they heard the News. I may almost die if I go as I am small if I walk in the crowd.

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Human stupidity was the cause of death.

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It's sad but i'm not at all surprised..this is of course China. With about 300,000 people out celebrating, there should have been more police doing crowd control. 

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Shanghai policemen do not take good responsibility for taking care people's security on this city land.

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The government cancelled the laser light display due to crowd-control issues.. ie, they couldn't handle it! So, in a way, it's not surprising.

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Should this had been about some random politically sensitive content, speed and numbers would have been no problem for the police.

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One thing we can learn from disasters such as this: Never miss the opportunity for promotion.

 

 

"Top Communist Party Official in Shanghai, Han Zheng now in charge of rescue work."

 

While I'm sure the arrival of some fat Communist official is amazingly great news for everyone, I suspect ambulance and emergency staff, police and other useful people were already rescuing people. And presumably without needing their names put about on Twitter.

 

"My view: As a native of Shanghai, I believe this is the worst stampede incident in Shanghai history in recent decades. Shock!!"

 

Are you telling people you are from Shanghai to invoke some sort of sentiment? And what does "My view" mean? You don't express any personal opinions. You are just namedropping a hot event to get retweets.

 

By the way - Glad you're OK, Vicky!

 

 

 

 

 

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George Chen is a contradiction by himself, he claimed non stop to be a supporter of the HK protests all the while licking the CCP's bottom all the time. No matter what happen he will side with the winner. How can anyone be such an opportunist?

 

BTW I doubt that mister Han Zheng will get the message, Twitter is blocked in Shanghai or is it? No official would dare to bypass the Great And Mighty Firewall and disrupt harmony for sure.

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I already spread the tragedy on facebook.I did great thing.

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a god from the communist party is now in charge, all is well, no worries mate, have another drink, we are looking out for you 24 hours a day, dont you feel that warm fuzzy feeing inside now that we have one of our great gods in charge. what a great harmonious country, we know the god's name but the victims names are not important for the greater good. imagine that.

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perhaps the police need some training from a more densely populated city that does it right, before that city is gone into the dust heap of history, might as well copy procedures of the hong kong police for crowd control before you destroy the great city so that it does not show up the great cities of the china's mainland, probably too much to ask for them to learn something from hong kong before it becomes extinct.

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Crowds freak me out, they're like a big mass of stupidity and bad smells that are hard to escape from. And then when something like this happens... what a nightmare.

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I hate huge crowds....

 

China was probably the worst choice next to India for me. People turn into dumb cattle when in large crowds. 

 

And if people are always in large crowds, like in China... 

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A sad night in Shanghai.

 

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Yeah.I feel so sad for them.Stupid people kill people.

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I know this tragic event could have happened anywhere in the world, but why did it happen?

Chasing money!!

Is this an indictment of Chinese society today?? Esp. in a city such as Shanghai....which kinda surprised me a little..

Is China today going from revering Buddha to the Money God??

 

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Going from?

 

The ship sailed and docked already.

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No, this could only happen in China. Stampedes happens everywhere, stampedes that are severe enough to kill 40 people can only happen in China. People here are too uncivilized to stop being animals even  when lives are being lost.   I can imagine the souless smiles on their faces as the are killing people and pushing forward.

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I am glad a CCP dude is present to cover up the misconduct of those responsible so we will never have to live with knowledge of how negligent China is towards human life. 

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What a way to die. And to be remembered.
Somewhere among the corpses, there's probably a couple sendible folk who usually avoid crowds, but were pressured into going out that night. They were charged the ultimate idiot tax, but it's too late for a refund.
The moral of the story? If you ever drop your wallet in a crowded Chinese street, just run for your life.

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Well said.Agree with it.

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I can't stand huge crowds either. I won't even take a flight if I can't sit close to the front. I'm not a patient person. I would never go to anything like that.

It's a shame but not unexpected, who in China waits in line?

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5000 years and they still can't figure out the benefits to behaving in a civilized manner.

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I seldom agree with you but...on this point YES!!

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It's not 5000 years of being like this, China was once civilised, only when the cultural revolution happened, things went tits up. The country lost everything, and made everyone as equal. Everyone forgot how to be civil and became animals only thinking about themselves and money. The country is trying to change but you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

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I just dont understand that mentality of flipping out over the thought of getting a few dollars free. It's nice to find a 20 on the ground or something but it's not like that's a game changer regardless of your income.

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That's kind of the perfect crime. And cheap with that.

 

I've seen people rushing to grab all the fucking noname 5mao water bottles in a coach bus. I'm sure they could have fought for their life over this shit should 2 opposite clans have been present.

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So what's the problem?
This is what Chinese have been raised to be in a nutshell. Braindead drones that get frantic at nothing but the sight of something to hoard.

What kind of behavior would you expect from a country where even advertisements exclusively use the word "抢".

"Lack of security", sure. Nothing to be said about society there. Just put more police next time, that should do it.

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Why are Chinese celebrating my New Year? I never gave them permission. sad

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While this is indeed a tragedy, this is not purely a chinese phenomenon. I was in Vegas a few years ago in a club and some dillwad was celebrating his birthday by throwing a bunch of one dollar bills in the club. People went crazy picking them up. The club owners in Shanghai were just dipship idiots making them look like money. 

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Yeah and 35 people got trampled to death? Another full of shit poster. China has to start focusing on their problems instead of distracting from them. Oh, it happens in other countries. Oh, this was because someone was throwing fake money from the roof, oh, the people yelling for people to move back after 35 people were trampled were heroes, BS all of them!

The only problem that led to this was China's lack of human decency . In China people don't get behind the person in front of them and wait patiently , they push their way to the front. That is China not America (except on Black Fridays where low lifes kill each other)! In China, everyone is ill-mannered and was made that way by their government. 

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After that tradedy happened.The journalist came to report the News on the bund,I saw many people tried their best to show their face off in front of the camera and smile happily.I myself feel so sad for this to happen and feel for people and even can not help crying. Then still I saw those big crowds flocked into the bund area,which scared me a bit to see those.I don't understand why Chinese government still let so many people in after the tradedy happened. They never learned and get really serious about the things.Most people have less morality and only knows pushing and pushing to make their way. I wanted to get off the subway when it arrived at my stop,I kept telling those ppl to come in after I come out.They did't listen and kept pushing to come inside and I almost got wound when I was trying to go out. I myself lives in Shanghai,I saw those pushing scene happened everyday in the first tier city of China,let along the other places of China. I saw people spitting in the street everyday,no one feels shameful about what they have been doing. Now I truly find myself so much better than those people and proud of myself even I am considered to be a leftover girl and have the society called me bad name and my parents told they feel shameful to have a daughter likes me.

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Chinese police...  very very busy, very very tired.

 

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Why the hell are people trying to find excuses ? This was caused by the stupidity and animalistic behavior of the people. This had nothing to do with coupons made to look like real money.

Fact: Chinese people as a daily habit push forward to the front instead of waiting like a civilized human being behind the person in front of them. That has nothing to do with coupons made to look like USD.

watch the video

 

http://www.chinasmack.com/2015/stories/shanghai-bund-2014-new-years-eve-...

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The chinese education system focused on GAOKAO than morality education .As long as a person passed the GAOKAO and entered the Chinese public universities or colleges.They will be called educated people and considered to have a high morality too.HAHA...Another society drama.And most people went to the bund that night are young people and I am sure so many are those university or college students.See what the education taught them?

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Could have happened anywhere....too many people not enough room.

A bit of a policing fail, if anything.

Looking at the video I can't see what the fake dollars had to do with anything.

Just way too many people....its not the evening out that i'd like to have.

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After looking at the video, it seems that the dollar-greed is an unwarranted social commentary in this case. But it couldn't have happened anywhere: In my country, we had some nutter shouting "TERRORIST" during the Liberation Day celebration on Amsterdam's central square; a stampede of thousands but still nobody got killed. Shanghai had abysmal crowd control planning, but China usually steps up its act only AFTER a lot of people are killed. A much needed lesson learned, and hopefully the authorities, behind all the facesaving, are looking for advice from western police forces about dealing with riots and stampedes. This wasn't even a stampede; just a big crowd and a staircase. Imagine if it *had* been a stampede! One weibo comment struck me as hilarious: "Those young guys who shouted to move back are BOUNDLESSLY VIRTUOUS." - It's really easy to become a paradigm of virtue here, isn't it?

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Sorry about the giant pic. 

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Thanks for the pic! Yeah, took a while to fully load, but worth it!

 

I wonder whether this will have much affect on the Umbrella Movement in HK, and the people in general, to remind them what happens when the CCP take over.

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Hong Kongers don't have the slighest illusion about what is the CCP and what they will do.

But this is a lost fight. Hong Kong is already in the hands of corporations, good friends of Beijing, with only their interests in sight. They are already doing everything they can to move every sector back to Shanghai, and they'll stop only once there is nothing left.

 

Check the stats, in this city, you have the working class living off the mainland who doesn't give a shit as long as their paycheck arrives in time, you have then the elder generation who also doesn't give a shit cause they'll be long gone by the time trouble happens (they might have been educated by British, but at the end of the day they're still Cantonese, which mean among others egoistic hedonists).

Finally you have the young and the students, who are the cursed generations, because they'll be the ones facing Beijing's takeover. They've obviously missed their chance and they will not save their city, now the best they can do is use their passport when it's still worth something.

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Back at work, I was discussing the accident with a Chinese colleague. I thought I had heard all the facts and fictions on the matter, but my colleague still managed to make my jaw drop. Apparrently, he had heard that the accident was caused by banknote-coupons thrown about by Foreigners! Yes, the evil boogeyman, trusted scapegoat to all China's failings was there, and I don't know how I could have missed it.
How do foreigners get blamed for this? I saw no mention of foreign presence at the square, unless you count the Taiwanese death. Was the club owned by a foreigner? Was it a foreign employee that threw the coupons?
From what I read, the coupon story was quickly disseminated by police (possibly as an avenue to deflect blame), but later retracted as it was proven that the coupons only appeared after the deaths.
Somehow, contact with hostile aliens from Planet Waiguo was made, and that's what caused all this mess. I know there's a lot of unthinking ignorance around, but every time it still amazes me what lengths Chinese go to, to avoid facing responsibility for failings. Aren't there rules in this game, where stories must at least be *faintly* plausible to become accepted? You can't blame non-existent parties for this. There was no sign of laowai anywhere on that square, because anyone with a lick of sense and no obligation would run from a crowd of 300,000!

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Soon : New Year was created to create stampede in China ?

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There were so called light shows going on at different time of the night, I showed up to the Bund around 10:30 pm and waited until 11:00 pm to see the so called light show. Firstly, it sucked majorly because apparently the only proper viewing spot was some portion of the bund, not the entire length of it.  I'm not sure if that is correct, but all I saw was the oriental pearl tower turn pink and the newly constructed building to the right of it turn rainbowish. 

 

I was right in the spot where the trampling occurred outside that club, but I left thirty minutes before it happened.  Why?  The crowd was ginormous.  There was uncontrollable pushing going on.  Not just the typical " rush" of people you get behind you like on a subway ( although that is and was a very huge factor in itself)  but there were people pushing you on the back and shoulder with their arms, in a childish school kid type of mischievous way.  Everybody seemed to be in their twenties , or close enough to it.  There were no lights and police were far too few, it seemed to wake up some kind of "need" in the younger kids to start acting like children , as if they are deprived of acting that way in normal life, so they have to seize this chance.... Nobody seemed to have any inkling of a thought that it was a dangerous situation. 

 

i told some kid behind me to stop pushing, that the front was blocked off, and that kid literally looked crazy - repeating my own words -  " ai-yoooo you bei jingcha fengsuo le" while bouncing around to the left and right like a goblin. All I can say is that the psychological state of these people's minds was far from normal.  I felt helpless.  I was in the crowd for only five minutes edits I decided to high tail it out.   

 

 

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leaving early turned out to be probably one of the best decisions of your life.

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This is why I avoid places like this during the holidays.

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Frankly given China's population it is a wonder that more incidents like this don't happen...I read over a list of stampedes and India was over-represented, with China coming up rather light...so I wonder how many incidents have been covered up over the years...with a billion people this has to happen fairly often...

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