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Sign up with Google Sign up with FacebookQ: What actualy is ' communism' !? ... North Korea ?
To my understanding..
there is no 'understanding' of 'communism'. It seems to me to be utter bollocks.. always has been and always will . But... have a thought for those that are living in N.K. !? Where/how/what is 'communist' about their lives ?!!
So.. the question was 'What is communism' ?
Short version, "a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs." Oxford Dictionary.
Long version, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
Real life version, a bunch of poor, uneducated thieves and robbers usually amassing followers from the grass root level of a society (such as peasants), with the objective to loot the rich through bloodsheds, justifying their heinious acts and cruelties with all kinds of labels (e.g. class wars, exploitation) and excuses (e.g. they did it first).
After grabbing power, these crooks resort to screwing their own kind through corruption, extortion and favors.
Because they are criminals at heart whatever legal system they enact, copy, and steal is in reality merely a look-good frontage to fool non-communist societies so they can infiltrate them and continue to rob, steal and scam.
To me, the kind of psychosis that is prevalent among this kind of community is Robin Hood complex, schzophrenia and compulsive lying disorder.
One other well known property of this idealogy is its sniffling out the spirituality (can be thought of as one's conscience) of its members. Its success through deceit and bloodbaths is impossible to achieve otherwise.
Once the tiger has its first blood its appetite becomes insatiable.
To sum it up in one sentence, communism is the dressing up of evil as good. To sum it up in one word, evil.
Short version, "a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs." Oxford Dictionary.
Long version, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
Real life version, a bunch of poor, uneducated thieves and robbers usually amassing followers from the grass root level of a society (such as peasants), with the objective to loot the rich through bloodsheds, justifying their heinious acts and cruelties with all kinds of labels (e.g. class wars, exploitation) and excuses (e.g. they did it first).
After grabbing power, these crooks resort to screwing their own kind through corruption, extortion and favors.
Because they are criminals at heart whatever legal system they enact, copy, and steal is in reality merely a look-good frontage to fool non-communist societies so they can infiltrate them and continue to rob, steal and scam.
To me, the kind of psychosis that is prevalent among this kind of community is Robin Hood complex, schzophrenia and compulsive lying disorder.
One other well known property of this idealogy is its sniffling out the spirituality (can be thought of as one's conscience) of its members. Its success through deceit and bloodbaths is impossible to achieve otherwise.
Once the tiger has its first blood its appetite becomes insatiable.
To sum it up in one sentence, communism is the dressing up of evil as good. To sum it up in one word, evil.
Communism is a theory that has never worked to the betterment of society in any country is has been tried, if it really worked in its true form and people loved it, every country in the world would want the product.
earthizen:
Yup, the results are for all to see. What is wrong with Karl Marx's crap though is worth finding out, afterall it mesmerizes billions. To use Oxford Dictionary's definition of communism , "(A) a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and (B) leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."
The fallacy of this ideology is that (A) will never lead to (B), so-called utoptia. It is the devil's temptation.
Rich and poor has always and will always be there. Why? We all know some people are naturally good at and enjoy certain activities, like doing business while others are naturally good at doing other activities, such as sports, arts, and science. They may not even care that much about money, at least not as much as the business oriented ones.
The result is some get to be financially richer and some richer in other, more abstract aspects of life such as career fulfilment in the arts, science and sports.
earthizen:
To instigate wars and bloodbaths between the two parties, namely the financially poor and the rich is the devil's work.
It is taking advantages of and fanning lowly evolved emotions such as jealousy, hatred and greed.
Even when you successfully wipe out the rich as communists countries have done what happens next? Emergence of another new class, the power class.
(B), the end goal is utopia? Yeah, right. Except the class differences remerges as power differences, backdoors, favors, bribery, selling bodies for a catty of pork.
Karl Marx at best is a Pollyana moron who cannot think through consequences, the way he instigates bloodbaths and advocates wiping out the spirituality (conscience if you like) aspect of humanity, turning them into the most dispicable of all lifeforms on this planet, ie communists, I say he is the devil.
It is not as simple as, 'oh, it is just a temporary insanity thing, only a means to utopia". If it is that easy to recover from psychosis why do you see so many psychos running around prc, which is heaven relative to what it was like 30 years ago?
Communism is not a problem.
Humans are a problem!
Communism works.
Humans don't.
earthizen:
Classic commies' lame excuse.
An incompetent solution provider accusing his customers for having problems when his flawed solution failed in front of the world's eyes.
This is akin to an incompetent doctor blaming the patient for having an illness when his faulty cure not only failed but actually worsen the patient's conditions.
ambivalentmace:
Let's see, Communism works,
The four remaining countries with some fake form of communism are
China, Vietnam, Cuba, and North Korea
The last two have dictatorship communism which explains the misfortune of the citizens.
The first two are quasi- communism
So which country is going to be number FIVE
OR which country is going to make the number THREE
If i missed a country, apologies for not recognizing your misfortune. (not really, serious sarcasm for you wumao's)
Shining_brow:
Name a single problem that hasn't come about due to the fucktardary of humans and their stupid emotions, ego, greed, willful ignorance, etc....
earthizen:
"Name ......willful ignorance, etc...."
'My mother is a woman' statement. Lodge complain with Universal Ltd.
Shining_brow:
Is fire evil?
You (and others) are confusing the idea, and how it's been put to use.
You call communism 'evil'.. instead of the people who abused it.
earthizen:
Classic commie tactic --- confuse opponent by swapping concepts, also known as Red Herring.
Fire is not a political theory, communism is. The reasons for communism being an evil political theory are stated in my posts under this thread, an example being my response to Donnie below.
Shining_brow:
"Classic commie tactic --- confuse opponent by swapping concepts, also known as Red Herring"
You mean, like when you didn't specifically point out that the full theory of communism has actually ever been attained in any country? Only attempts... (except in very short-lived times, or on small scales (eg, communes)) or for any extended period of time... (because, you know, all those rich elites didn't like it, and paid people to take it all back from the peasants (well, the new rulers).
"
Fire is not a political theory, communism is. The reasons for communism being an evil political theory are stated in my posts under this thread, an example being my response to Donnie below."
Every person should be paid according to their actual input and the value of their work, and they should be recognised for it. Additionally, everyone should have free access to education and the ability to become the best they can be.
It does NOT mean that people can't have money, nor may they save, nor own things... that would be a completely WRONG interpretation of communism! (although, it's certainly a form that some places have tried to implement)
So, the bank robbing example fails on TWO levels... firstly, it presumes that EVERYONE's wealth sitting in a bank would be taken and redistributed (it wouldn't... although, I would see Trump's and Gate's billions being taken out of their hands... "evil"...I think not!
Secondly, any regime that tried to justify stealing the average person's stuff and money (especially that of the poorer levels, rather than just the richer) would NOT be "true communism".
And, lastly.... name a theory that when NOT implemented and put into action, causes harm.... Communism (or capitalism, or any other 'ism' ) can't be "evil" in and of itself. (unless you do seriously advocate that just having thoughts and ideas are themselves 'evil', and not the actions.... ).
Shining_brow:
https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/586/do-did-non-dictatorial-communist-societies-exist
Communism, as described by Lenin, Marx, and Trotsky, died when Lenin died. Since then it has been dictatorship after dictatorship using "Communism" as as excuse. Much the same way "religion" is the excuse to murder and exterminate civilizations. North Korea has never been communist. Their rule is a copy of Stalin. Stalin was far from being communist.
earthizen:
The theory itself is flawed and evil, it is a bunch of bank robbers justifying their crime by saying there wouldn't be bank robberies anymore when they rob them clean, so they are doing a good thing when they wipe them out. In two words, thug logic.
Shining_brow:
That's a very capitalistic version you've got there, Earthi...
earthizen:
Don't call dalu cops when you get robbed. Your properties are only shared, there are no robberies in prc......
Shining_brow:
Is that an intentional ambiguation of the word 'property' there?
ambivalentmace:
property logic will absolutely amaze you when you travel to different countries.
In Mexico, a guy is walking down the street with your TV in his hands and the police will do nothing even if your name is hand stamped on it.
logic.
If your home has valuables, you should always have someone home to protect them, if your home is deserted of human live DNA and someone steals your property, it's your fault for not protecting it.
BUT, if you have a maid at home and someone steals your property, you now have property taken from a person not an empty house and the police will help you.
Unattended property is the lottery in Mexico with rigged numbers in advance.
any other strange property laws you have experienced?
earthizen:
"Is that an intentional ambiguation of the word 'property' there?"
Intentional ambiguation of a word? Typical commie mentality you have. If you don't know what 'your property' means, check definition of property using any dictionary (including prc's).
Shining_brow:
@Earthi - I'll take that as a 'yes' then....
Property means both personal possesions, and land (ie "get the hell offa my property").
Relevance should be obvious... Communism does NOT say people aren't allowed to own things (unless it's a VERY particular version of communism). It does say, however, that the means of production (including the 'property' of the 'land' type) should be state-owned...
So, this BS about having all your 'property' taken off you is intentionally misleading! (after all, as we know, Chinese people don't own their home.. they lease it... not that China is actually communist).
Jesus was a communist. Before it was invented.
He gave the fish and bread for free.
He cured and healed for free.
Stuff about camels and needles.
Rejection of money.
GIve all you have to the poor.
I know this because I follow Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio on Twitter.
One day, I took my BIble, and crossed out all the chapter and verses they had quoted on their tweets (of course I didn't).
Lots of good commie stuff in my crossed out BIble
Marcos_Cisneros:
Alan de Scottorum, hoc ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis, et ut est in Theodorus Сruce signatus et alii de Mario in Blond, in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Egredietur amplius noli peccare.
ScotsAlan:
Porto, portas, portant. Portamus, portatus, portant.
long time since I done Latin. That's all I remember.
earthizen:
Remarkably insighful, Jesus was an atheist, like Karl Marx who wrote the Communist Manifesto.
What about other communists?
"Chapter 11: Communism and Religion
§ 89. Why religion and communism are incompatible
'Religion is the opium of the people,' said Karl Marx. It is the task of the Communist Party to make this truth comprehensible to the widest possible circles of the labouring masses. It is the task of the party to impress firmly upon the minds of the workers, even upon the most backward, that religion has been in the past and still is today one of the most powerful means at the disposal of the oppressors for the maintenance of inequality, exploitation, and slavish obedience on the part of the toilers.
Many weak-kneed communists reason as follows: 'Religion does not prevent my being a communist. I believe both in God and in communism. My faith in God does not hinder me from fighting for the cause of the proletarian revolution.'
This train of thought is radically false. Religion and communism are incompatible, both theoretically and practically.
Every communist must regard social phenomena (the relationships between human beings, revolutions, wars, etc.) as processes which occur in accordance with definite laws. The laws of social development have been fully established by scientific communism on the basis of the theory of historical materialism which we owe to our great teachers Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. This theory explains that social development is not brought about by any kind of supernatural forces. Nay more. The same theory has demonstrated that the very idea of God and of supernatural powers arises at a definite stage in human history, and at another definite stage begins to disappear as a childish notion which finds no confirmation in practical life and in the struggle between man and nature...."
https://www.marxists.org/archive/bukharin/works/1920/abc/11.htm
earthizen:
Qui sabbatum violant et nomen Jesu, dicentes eum potatorem nec penitus tollere numen eorum facta per communistarum anima sua in aeternum.
haha,, I spent some time in Cuba long ago,,, back when US gringos had to transit thru Belize or someplace first... to fly to Habana I mean.... had such a time there! Habana, Cienfuegos,,, Isla de la Juventud,,,, coolest country I ever spent time in,,,, But u could tell life was hard on the locals....
yep, Habana actually did have them ol' 1950's cars cruising the streets,,,, and yep,,, the cigars were mighty fine. Locals didn't seem to hate whitey at all.... good times ,,, long ago..
ambivalentmace:
yes, great times, had to fly through Mexico city, and they would paperclip a stamped piece of paper inside the passport.