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Q: What do you think would happen if Trump was able to seize dictitorial powers in the USA

Over the past few years we have seen Trump use his executive powers very effectively. Especially in Foriegn affairs.

And now in replacing people opposed to him at home. Would another revolution (bloody at that) be possible? How might other powers react to this? Could it spell the end of Democracy?

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There was a paper published that showed evidence that children who are easily scared in childhood and react acutely to fear stimuli, are more likely to vote right wing. the more they react to fear, the more right wing they go. therefore trump supporters were probably afraid of the dark, bed-wetters wo touched themselves at night to ward off any homosexuality.

 

when society is controlled by fearful, people with such low moral values, that they vote for somebody who says mexicans are rapists, lower political discourse to "lock them up",

then anything can happen. there is little respect for traditions, political norms  and bipartizanship among fearful people. they only respond to somebody displaying strength, like they are attracted to somebody willing to protect them from the monster under the bed. it's why values and knowledge are less important and just showing an angry combatitive nature works. it's why they find putin so attractive. 

 

democracy is fragile. it depends on common decency. if you want to break a democracy, you whip up fears, tell the majority they are special. tell them minority is to blame for everything bad in their life. tell them you are the only answer and begin to erode politcal norms, traditions and start rying to unermine legal institutions such as the department of justice and the fbi. sound famailiar?

 

if trump were dictator he would expand his business empire to become the largest corporation in the world. he wolud encourage the slack jawed yokels to openly hold racist rallies. he would encourage hatred as a poltical tool. he would kill opponents and reward loyalists. everybody who he felt had wronged him would be imprisoned. western democracy would suffer a probably fatal blow without america s place in it. eventually trump would ally with russia to divide up countries. probably some kind of nuclear holocaust. whatever woud happen it would not be good

 

 

 

ScotsAlan:

Excellent post. I saw a Fox news segment today with Rand Paul talking to Fox an friends (Steve Ducey I think). Rand was being pretty sensible in the discussion about the Saudi journalist, fox was just full of ' So you are going to give Yemen to Iran, you want Iran to nuke us?'. Rand was saying reasonable things, fox just went for the full fear aspect. Fox were in full 'they wanna kill you' mode.

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I think for him to do that he'd need to have the military onside, which I'd hope would never happen. Pretty sure someone would stand up to him.

 

Assuming it did happen though, I suppose we'd get to see if all the people who bought guns in case the govt goes rogue are actually willing to follow through on it. Then we'd probably see them get massacred.

 

 

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All I know is it would make for a good video game.

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It would make it easier to get his job done probably

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I keep reading (God only knows why) media "reports" suggesting Trump is a fascist dictator-want-to-be. I see no evidence suggesting this is true. Unlike his precursor's "phone and pen" approach to circumventing congress, Trump's exercise of executive authority has mostly been within the limits of his Constitutional authority -- accordingto almost everyone in government who isn't on the 9th circuit court (which regularly exceeds its Constitutional authority).

 

If he did, somhow, become a dictator, though, I suspect we'd see much of what we are seing now -- an unending expansion of the military and federal authority, divisive political manuevering, social discontent, and media more interested in propaganda than truth.

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I keep reading (God only knows why) media "reports" suggesting Trump is a fascist dictator-want-to-be. I see no evidence suggesting this is true. Unlike his precursor's "phone and pen" approach to circumventing congress, Trump's exercise of executive authority has mostly been within the limits of his Constitutional authority -- accordingto almost everyone in government who isn't on the 9th circuit court (which regularly exceeds its Constitutional authority).

 

If he did, somhow, become a dictator, though, I suspect we'd see much of what we are seing now -- an unending expansion of the military and federal authority, divisive political manuevering, social discontent, and media more interested in propaganda than truth.

dokken:

though to be fair for obama, no party in history has tried to block as much in history as the republicans did during obama s time. they opposed even centrist sensible policies to sevice their irrational hatred of a man being presidennt who did not conform to their ideal skin tone.

 

the fact that the house and senate were republican controlled, should be obvious ballast to his agenda, but they went to war with him as if he were not president

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We will make sure he is a one term President, is what they said. Totally agree the blocking and the repeal fervour is down to Obamas complexion. Sad to watch. Compare to the UK. We have our second woman PM, leader of SNP and DUP are women. Scottish conservative leader is gay woman. Mayor of London is a Muslim. The UK is maybe a few decades away from escaping identity politics, but in the US, media such as huff post and CNN promote it.

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There was a paper published that showed evidence that children who are easily scared in childhood and react acutely to fear stimuli, are more likely to vote right wing. the more they react to fear, the more right wing they go. therefore trump supporters were probably afraid of the dark, bed-wetters wo touched themselves at night to ward off any homosexuality.

 

when society is controlled by fearful, people with such low moral values, that they vote for somebody who says mexicans are rapists, lower political discourse to "lock them up",

then anything can happen. there is little respect for traditions, political norms  and bipartizanship among fearful people. they only respond to somebody displaying strength, like they are attracted to somebody willing to protect them from the monster under the bed. it's why values and knowledge are less important and just showing an angry combatitive nature works. it's why they find putin so attractive. 

 

democracy is fragile. it depends on common decency. if you want to break a democracy, you whip up fears, tell the majority they are special. tell them minority is to blame for everything bad in their life. tell them you are the only answer and begin to erode politcal norms, traditions and start rying to unermine legal institutions such as the department of justice and the fbi. sound famailiar?

 

if trump were dictator he would expand his business empire to become the largest corporation in the world. he wolud encourage the slack jawed yokels to openly hold racist rallies. he would encourage hatred as a poltical tool. he would kill opponents and reward loyalists. everybody who he felt had wronged him would be imprisoned. western democracy would suffer a probably fatal blow without america s place in it. eventually trump would ally with russia to divide up countries. probably some kind of nuclear holocaust. whatever woud happen it would not be good

 

 

 

ScotsAlan:

Excellent post. I saw a Fox news segment today with Rand Paul talking to Fox an friends (Steve Ducey I think). Rand was being pretty sensible in the discussion about the Saudi journalist, fox was just full of ' So you are going to give Yemen to Iran, you want Iran to nuke us?'. Rand was saying reasonable things, fox just went for the full fear aspect. Fox were in full 'they wanna kill you' mode.

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One thing Trumps Presidency has shown is that the USA system of Government has very little checks and balances.

How many lies does he average per day? Is it 5,7,10? He set a record last week, 7 lies in 60 seconds.

Everthing from clean coal (they wash it), wiretapping, deep state, clinton russia collusion, number of new steel plants.... blah blah blah.

Every week there is a new low. His dismissal of Puerto Rico, his disissal of climate change (Obama signed the Paris thing), all the way to his dismissal of sex allegations, and his 'I prefer heroes who were not captured'.

Transfer his actions and his words to any other demcratic country and he would be gone. European leaders might get away with a few lies, threats, bully boy tactics, conspiricies.. whatever.

But no way would they be able to do it day to day, week in week out.

Quick example. If the UK PM Theresa May used the official RAF aircrat travel to a political rally in Glasgow, she would be out. The CS would not let it happen. If she pulled the UK out of the Paris agreement she would be out. Vote of no.confidence.

But the American system has a major flaw. It assumes that POTUS will have at least a little civility and morality.

It was not designed for Trump or his sycophantic glory baskers who have thrown all pretentions to sensibility to the wind.

In short. The USA is already a dictatorship.

ScotsAlan:

For balance, Obama was guilty of dictatorship under the same system. He tagged attacks on foreign nations onto Bush's war on terror. He launched drone attacks and bombing missions without a vote in congress. That should never be allowed. Not unless there is an immediate threat. A firework fired at a US warship off the coast of Yemen is not an immediate threat to the US. But he bombed anyway. Innocent ppl dead. No vote in the house.

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I really dont care about civility and morality, I care about results, take these sophisticated know it alls that can't perform and drop them from 3000 meters without a parachute from both parties, left and right.

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https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2169507/trump-says-us-will-pull-out-landmark-nuclear-deal

 

I had hoped I was wrong about this, BUT

 

Nullifying this deal allows land based nuclear missiles to be given to Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines. Then America can scale down cost and expenses in Asia and sell these stuff to Asian allies and make some money and cutting labor intensive boots on the ground defense forces. It's coming, he is just putting the pieces together.

ScotsAlan:

I reckon its because the US have finally realised their 10 (or is it 11 now?) super carrier battle groups are totally useless against barrage of low tech missiles fired en mass. This has always been Chinese policy so far as I can work out. Fire 100 missiles at each ship. One will hit. And the same with Russia. Also, I suspect the US military complex is having trouble coming up with ways to spend all the money the Government is throwing at them. Cos both sides approve that budget. Too many jobs at stake in their states. The industry was carefull to make sure to load both blue and red states with jobs.

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