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Q: What happend with the IT/Software/Internet category?

Before I could select a category "IT/Software/Internet" when searching for jobs, now the category is gone. That is really sad because I cannot think of good keywords when searching for programmer jobs. Most of the time I just find English teaching jobs :/

7 years 27 weeks ago in  Business & Jobs - Other cities

 
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From a micro level, I suspect there is an oversupply of local IT guys as computer science and engineering are the most popular degrees for science students. They don't want you to join the competition, or the locals simply cost less.

 

Here is a personal story from a Chinese programmer (not a local, sounds like a Taiwanese) who worked in PRC, around 2014.

 

A career in computer programming sucks in China

 

"I’ve lived in Mainland China and worked there as a Biz Analyst/PM, so in IT. Here is what I can tell you. Wages are low. There is an oversupply of programmers because too many people studied that for the market, so in Shanghai the average programmer probably gets only 10,000 rmb month (not much in such an expensive city), I was making 3X that, and over the age of 30, something strange happens…if they don’t move up to management or laterally to some other area (like Systems Analyst, Business Analyst) they disappear. It is rare to see a computer programmer in China over 35, VERY RARE.

 

The reason why is pretty obvious, companies in China focus on cost over quality, and they will hire cheaper younger people and take the hit on quality. It is not just Mainland China, Taiwan is similar, IT job (including programming) are very low pay. Comp Engineers and designers who work on circuit boards are a bit different, but this is also a waning industry in Taiwan as they lose competitiveness to Mainland China, South Korea, Malaysia, etc.  

 

Since most Mainland Chinese families require a man have a house and a car before they can marry (at least a university educated woman) and property prices around the big cities are similar to U.S. levels or higher (although wages are 1/4 the U.S. level) programming SUCKS. Women know this. If you say you work in IT and you are not a manger, most women don’t want to talk to you, unless it is a university sweet heart or maybe a peasant girl."

 

https://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/2014/04/19/a-career-in-computer-programming-sucks-in-china/

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So what should I do?

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Join the club dude. I have no catagory for my job.

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because internet doesnt exist in china.

IT is done by indians and software is stolen - so they dont have job opening for that anymore in china

 

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earthizen:

haha, agree,  an answer from a macro perspective, also thanks for the answer on the airbnb thread, I for sure will keep that in mind and do the math comparison

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Downvote. Your answer do not make any sence.

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From a micro level, I suspect there is an oversupply of local IT guys as computer science and engineering are the most popular degrees for science students. They don't want you to join the competition, or the locals simply cost less.

 

Here is a personal story from a Chinese programmer (not a local, sounds like a Taiwanese) who worked in PRC, around 2014.

 

A career in computer programming sucks in China

 

"I’ve lived in Mainland China and worked there as a Biz Analyst/PM, so in IT. Here is what I can tell you. Wages are low. There is an oversupply of programmers because too many people studied that for the market, so in Shanghai the average programmer probably gets only 10,000 rmb month (not much in such an expensive city), I was making 3X that, and over the age of 30, something strange happens…if they don’t move up to management or laterally to some other area (like Systems Analyst, Business Analyst) they disappear. It is rare to see a computer programmer in China over 35, VERY RARE.

 

The reason why is pretty obvious, companies in China focus on cost over quality, and they will hire cheaper younger people and take the hit on quality. It is not just Mainland China, Taiwan is similar, IT job (including programming) are very low pay. Comp Engineers and designers who work on circuit boards are a bit different, but this is also a waning industry in Taiwan as they lose competitiveness to Mainland China, South Korea, Malaysia, etc.  

 

Since most Mainland Chinese families require a man have a house and a car before they can marry (at least a university educated woman) and property prices around the big cities are similar to U.S. levels or higher (although wages are 1/4 the U.S. level) programming SUCKS. Women know this. If you say you work in IT and you are not a manger, most women don’t want to talk to you, unless it is a university sweet heart or maybe a peasant girl."

 

https://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/2014/04/19/a-career-in-computer-programming-sucks-in-china/

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You don't want to work in that area in China, trust me. 

 

I live in China because of my wife but all my clients are foreigners (majority being American). I have tried taking on Chinese clients multiple times with much frustration and time wasted. Pointless meetings, no direction... horrible communication. 

 

tomelssjo:

I can try. Working with abroad clients sounds illegal unless you make a WFOE company or something. And still there are an issue with getting a legal VISA. Most of the VISAS require you to leave after 30, 60 or 180 days. Programming is the only thing I am good at.

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