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Q: what role will china play in a possible WW3?

isreal is threatening to attack iran (without cause) isreal's slave state (usa) even framed iran for an assasination plot to try and set the stage. if isreal goes through with this, and iran responds they way they should (i believe if attacked annihilate the sob who attacked you) and the usa (owned by isreal) enters into the conflict, likely bringing russia in on the side of iran ... NATO, arab states and a whole lotta mess.
what would china do? would china fight against the nations they rely on to buy their goods? would china just remain neutral?
remember this is "what if"

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As Old Gunslinger & Nevermind points out, China lacks both the needed unity and mobility to strike anywhere that isn't within walking distance.  An analyst once pointed out that if China were to attack Taiwan, it would lose about 80% of its navy & up to 100% of its airforce before the first soldier entered the country.

Taiwan is not a military giant, but like China, they are designed to repel invaders, not be the invader themselves.  Unlike the US who's military is primarily designed for invasion.

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That the US military is primarily focused on invasion as oppossed to defence is an interesting and rather true comment. However, citizens in the US own guns, lots of them. Thats why the Japanese did not invade the US in WWII. We buy crates of ammo too, lots! My motto is "buy em cheap, and stack em deep"! Anybody wanna invade the US? Bring your lunch, because we will eat it! :)

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First off, Isreal is just flexing muscles, they will not attack nor would the US let them.  Isreal is funded and protected by the US, not the other way around, and will not do anything like this without their blessing...which will not happen...at least under Obama.
But "if" this happened, I would say China would stay neutral and watch everyone else massacre each other.
As for the big stupid plot, I find it hard to believe the US would create something so farcical, but would not put it past the Mossad.

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I don't believe this whole thing was any sort of plot by the U.S. I mean, that would just be incredibly stupid and the Obama administration would get absolutely no benefit from something like that , if for no other reason than hello politics ?! He'd never get reelected. Bringing the troops out of Iraq to prepare for what you are saying would result in WW3 ? Like what ? And the USA is not at all owned by Israel, no country in the world receives more aid from the U.S. than Israel and the only reason Iran has not wiped Israel off the face of the earth like Ahmadinejad was talking about way back is TOTALLY because of Israel's support by/from the U.S. I don't see the big deal about Israel threatening to attack Iran, Iran only does the same thing hmm every day . Like the dude says, they're flexing.

Attacking Iran or allowing Israel to do it and supporthing them would be another Iraq. Not even the Republicans want that.

I don't think China would get involved because I don't think there's any chance in hell of what you said being true or happening.

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China would probably urge them to have peacetalks, but won't get involved. However, I'm sure that China would also find some sort of advantage from it. What would China do while Russia, the US and other major countries are distracted with a major war...?

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China won't be fighting anyone. This country is not NEARLY as stable as they would have you believe and any serious war involving China could lead to a civil war at home. 

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That fleet of 1 aircraft carrier will win that  war! Bwah hah hah hah hah hah!

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As Old Gunslinger & Nevermind points out, China lacks both the needed unity and mobility to strike anywhere that isn't within walking distance.  An analyst once pointed out that if China were to attack Taiwan, it would lose about 80% of its navy & up to 100% of its airforce before the first soldier entered the country.

Taiwan is not a military giant, but like China, they are designed to repel invaders, not be the invader themselves.  Unlike the US who's military is primarily designed for invasion.

Old_Gunslinger:

That the US military is primarily focused on invasion as oppossed to defence is an interesting and rather true comment. However, citizens in the US own guns, lots of them. Thats why the Japanese did not invade the US in WWII. We buy crates of ammo too, lots! My motto is "buy em cheap, and stack em deep"! Anybody wanna invade the US? Bring your lunch, because we will eat it! :)

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China's role in WW3? - target Smile

If such a scenario occurred in some way, a) Israel would get wiped pretty quickly by a few of the other arab nations surrounding it. b) while the USA would probably love to intervene, it will do so conventionally, though I could see troops being deployed, under another guise (similar to what happened when they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan... ie, they'll just make up an excuse)*. c), Russia and the rest of Europe would stay out of it - they're not that stupid!

 

I think Israel is slowly starting to realise that the 'war-guilt' that many countries had after WW2 is wearing off, and so they are losing support by, as people above said, 'flexing'. So, USA's usual allies wouldn't help out as in the past.

China would stay out of it as well... except for making more money in the US selling more copies of stuff.

The main problem is, such a war is unlikely to stay local... Israel takes on Iran... Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Saudi, etc help out Iran and start beating up on Israel... the USA helps out Israel... the rest of Europe gets scared it's oil is about to disappear... but, worst of all, someone somewhere drops a nuke... then another, then all over the world, fundamentalists (from lots of different sides) come out and start bombing... China decides to re-acquire Taiwan (hoping no-one will notice in the fray), as well as the islands they've been missing... and it's time to get ready to play Fallout3....

Xpat.John:

Oooh, I think Fallout 2 was much better. But I have to admit that blowing away psychotic Mormons did make me smile a bit.

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Isreal would kick the ever loving crap out of all its neighbours. Remember the six-day war? That's what happened the last time Israel's neighbours tried to start shit with them.

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You think the Saudis would back Iran? Are you crazy? All western allied Arab states pretty much hate Iran. But I do agree that Russia would do nothing....just voice displeasure. But none of this will happen.

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Target! That was a good one! ROFLMAO! :)

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@ theDude... yeah, I do. Maybe not for political reasons, but certainly for religious reasons. The Muslims would all stick together, especially against their great enemy, the Jews (given what happened to Palestine). Also, because Israel would get some backing in the war from America. Any good leader knows how to change the battlefield, and there are enough idiots around the world to fall for it... Thus, even if it was a territorial battle that started it, it would soon turn into a religious war (and then, some complete moron will say "If you're not with us, you're against us".. and whaddya know???) @ Nevermind - when was that? How many years ago?? Weapons tech has increased, and changed, a lot since then. Yeah, Israel has some good military, and many Americans will go to support them, but in such a conflict, it only takes one idiot to hit the red button... Besides, this will turn into a far greater bloodbath, and not just those 3 countries up against Israel... Q: what weapons does Iran currently have available, and what can they get made really quickly?? Chemical? Biological?? Perhaps nuclear (officially within the control of the governments, that is). Where did Russia's stockpile disappear to?

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as a chinese man, i come here watching foreigner debate each other.devil

crimochina:

it's good to be able to openly disagree with our govts and not be labeled a traitor or dissident thumbs up to you bro . i know you cant enter this discussion ;)

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Kchur once again you prove you are an ignorant arrogant wind bag, with severe mommy issues. 
israel is a country like any other open to critisism. and the biggest critic of israel comes from Jewish people you moron.
Israeli lobby groups: the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations, the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs, the Washington Institute for Near Eastern Policy, and more recently, Christian Zionist organizations spend millions to help 'their candidates ' get elected. (PACs spend money on ads for or against certain candidates , therefore avoiding regulations concerning campaign contributions) 
that is why america backs , protects and gives them millions in un-needed "aid" each year. someone mentioned the six day war , an interesting thing happened during that war. the esraeli military (jets and torpedo boats) attacked an american listening ship (flying the american flag) while it was in international waters. they murdered over 30 american sailors and have yet to answer for it. allies dont do that. but your "master" would have no trouble doing that sort of thing. by the way , they attacked using unmarked mig jets. in the middle of the cold war what do you think they were trying to do?

all i'm saying is this, no country should be blindly supported do not be afraid of retards who will call you "anti" semite simply for pointing out a fact. if north korea test fired a missile we would call it a threat but if isael test fires a missle along with chatter of attacking iran it is innocent.

dude: i must disagree the only thing usa says to israel is "please not now we're not ready yet"

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How do you expect me to take you seriously when you, in one breath, talk about fair criticism, and in the next, use personal insults and say Jews are my "master", because I said you believed in paranoid conspiracy theories? You sound like you came straight out of some compound in Montana.

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you are an english teacher right????? where do you get "USA is a slave state of the jews" from me saying "usa is a slave state of israel" really? if i said UAE and Saudi has to much influence would you say i have a thing against arabs? no you wouldnt that ilogical response is just reserved for israel to prevent open and fair discussion about foreign policy

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CHILDREN! Go to your rooms, and don't come out until you learn some manners!!! @Crim - actually, yeah, I can understand why "Jews" = "Israel" in that opening line - and quite rightly so... Israel IS a Jewish state, made for the Jews to settle in after WWII because of the guild Europe carried after the Holocaust. Israel has been on the offensive for decades, and so have other countries towards them. So, the 'without cause' line doesn't really work at all... more correctly, I'd put it as 'had the last straw'... (oh, and no, I'd actually suggest, the rest of the world is more aware of the situation that most Americans..) @Kchur - a) you normally only use insult instead of reasoned argument - I don't think you can legitimately attack Crim for doing it... pots and kettles?? b) look over the history of the world - Israel, AND Saudi have the USA in their little pocket! The sheiks of Saudi have slaves kidnapped from all over the world - including the US - the CIA, MI5 and other intelligence agencies know, but won't rock the boat. c) Crim's comments aren't blatantly racist or anti-semitic. The only anti-semite comment I read was 'without cause', though, given the context, may not necessarily be taken as such. Funny how no-one else on here seems to think it anti-semitic! Iran will never 'gain dominance' in the Middle-East... certainly not for long. Too many other very interested parties would stop it

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seems every year we talk about this

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Simple: They'll play the 'victim' and start making more outrageous claims to their neighbors' lands.

Shining_brow:

And, once they've claimed them, put their military on them, told the rest of the world that any military ships that go near the area as "risking peace"... and then telling everyone that the only way to solve this is through negotiation!

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The world is more mature and China and U.S will find away to deal with like adults. Not a war. Iran will be the victim.

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@Shining
Exactly my point!
They'll take advantage of the chaos to claim some more land, then play the victim as both their justification and their defense E.G. "we suffered humiliation and lost this land, and now YOU are risking the peace by trying to take our 'newly re-acquired' land back!"

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They will play the same roll as the comments said it would 5 years ago. Except this time the Chinese soldiers are more educated, hence are not likely to fire on other Chinese when there is a revolution. Russia 1917. Germany 1918. German revolt in 1944.

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Target rich environment 

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Target North Korea, they launched 3 missiles today.

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