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anonymous
Q: What should I do if the situation is like this?
I voluntarily surrendered in the PSB for I have overstayed 2 years already. I told them that I am financially nothing so I would be willing to be detained. They told me that they cannot provide me an exit visa if I won't pay and just come back if I have the money with me. Should it really be like this?
11 years 3 days ago in Visa & Legalities - Beijing
you have to offend somebody in public to get kicked out of the country, someone who has authority to spend the governments money to send you home, i suppose the police dont want to waste their budget on you. have you contacted your embassy.
gaileyadorable:
I did! but i doubt if they would pay the penalty for me or?? they provided me documents i may need to show during the time i surrendered but the police didn't mind it. Well, a friend with the same situation like mine was detained without hassle a week earlier when i surrendered. ______
crimochina:
this post smells. it is probably a chinese guy trying to make foreigners out to be crooks. he can't quote the amount of the fine. and he's making typical chinglish mistakes.
And this is why the Visa paper work gets harder and harder
people who over stay do it for a reason not by accident
usually love or money
when they can not get money they want somebody else to pay for them Here is a phrase you need to learn Ke lian Ke Lian Wo Gei Wo Yi dian qian
gaileyadorable:
And this is why the Visa paper work gets harder and harder -- Oh come on! Don't give it a blame to a situation like mine. It is NATIONALITY that makes it harder and harder.
people who over stay do it for a reason not by accident usually love or money --- Gosh! over staying a visa can never be an accident unless you are "dumbest" enough not to look what's inside your passport. (what's on your visa page!) So, it is always with reasons... money, family, situations...
when they can not get money they want somebody else to pay for them --- probably yes but taking the consequence of the help they give..
So nice of you for spending your time reading the question and stating what's in your mind. Thanks! I would appreciate an answer. It might help.. Cheers!
GuilinRaf:
Why should anyone "pay" for your mistake, sorry, willful violation of the law? Overstay a few hours or even a couple of days, can be a mistake, but TWO FREAKING YEARS???!!!
Phil is absolutely right.
If you h ad been robbed, you would have my sympathy but you overstayed your visa by TWO YEARS (no excuse for that) and you did not make ANY provision for your finances.
ANd now you want a miracle source of money to pay.
You are lucky. In 2007 we had a student who had stopped studying, and so his visa was canceled. He was 10 days or so to leave the country but did not do so. Overstayed by six months (would have been longer if is angry ex girlfriend had not informed the PSB).
Anyway, he was arrested and detained. His embassy paid for his flight back BUT he had to pay back his government. He was asking us to help him by sending him money so he could pay back his government.
I have no sympathy for you or your irresponsible behavior.
crimochina:
"Oh come on! Don't give it a blame to a situation like mine"
tell me this guy is not really chinese. no one is walking out of the psb if they tell them they are here illegally, they will detain you hoping you can get the money from family or friends.
GuilinRaf:
@ Crimo
Yeah, exactly why I am puzzled since the guy I know in 2007 did not walk out of the psb that day. And when he did, it was in handcuffs....
Just have your parents or friends pay for you and then pay them back later. Let's see how that turns out! Unless you've had financial issues in the past with your friends and relatives that might be your best option. You don't want to go to jail that would ruin you and your families life. More you than your family, but you don't want to go to jail especially not in a foreign country like China.
Are you expecting to get off w/out a penalty? If you get deported, it's not repatriation...it's to the nearest non-Chinese airport/port...then you're not their problem any more. You can always be like the growing number of expats in Bangkok living on the streets and begging for money 'to go home.'
Sinobear:
Detention would be a last resort to force someone, somewhere to pay for your repatriation. Guangzhou has no problem detaining people...smaller cities probably wouldn't know what to do with an imprisoned foreigner. The question in my mind is, how in the heck...and why...would someone overstay their visa for two years? How can you be destitute in China?
GuilinRaf:
Detention AND deportation.
And you will still be financially liable to whoever pays your transport.
Maybe you can sell a kidney?
For the reasons I stated above, I think your best solution is to sell of different body parts until you have the money to return to your home country.
I think it's as simple as this. You don't leave China until you pay the fine.
You also won't get a work visa, so you can't work legally. Get caught working, the fine and problem becomes bigger.
gaileyadorable:
This make sense. Thanks!
Correct! They wanted me to pay the fine but they detained someone who got the same situation like me and who just surrendered a week earlier than I did.
Should there really be someone who will pay for me if I cannot pay the penalty by myself? I don't expect me for that. That is why I am willing to be put in jail, in return of being incapable of paying. Anyway, my question is not about seeking someone to help me pay for my penalty.. Its about finding another way to be put in jail and deported by not breaking the law again but by voluntarily surrendering without money. Does that make sense?
Should there really be someone who will pay for me if I cannot pay the penalty by myself? I don't expect me for that. That is why I am willing to be put in jail, in return of being incapable of paying. Anyway, my question is not about seeking someone to help me pay for my penalty.. Its about finding another way to be put in jail and deported by not breaking the law again but by voluntarily surrendering without money. Does that make sense?
angelina8:
How much are they asking you to pay? If you think you can pay this back someday, talk to your embassy again. I don't know, do you have any property in your home country you can sell?
Chinese prison sounds scary. You will be exotic there if you know what I mean.
I'm sorry about what happened to you.
I think everybody is being unfair. We shouldn't be disrespectful just because he deliberately and knowingly broke the law for two years.
We should be sympathetic and understanding, even if it does make things more difficult for those of us that actually follow the laws.
which country are you from?
this sounds like BS. they did not lock you up? you did not say what the fine was?
you want sb else to pay the fine?
go back to the psb and tell them that the ccp should pay the fine for you. if they refuse , sjap the officer in the face. because according to you, they will let you walk out to pay the "fine" later.
for a fee of about 10k, you can find someone in wehai to arrange your travel to s.korea without anyone aware on a private boat, but you have to live there awhile and find the right people. i know foreigners that have exited this way, also china has a very long unsecure border, if you want to leave, you can.
Traveler:
With the amount of border disputes China has (20 countries), how would one know where the border was?
