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Q: What will you do in this situation

Teachers, if the learning centers/schools you work for ask you not to tell the students which country you're from, but say you're from US, UK or Canada, what will you do?

 

Or when business events will recruit random ppl of other nationalities to attend as professional experts, will you go for it?

 

Don't mean to flame lengthy debate here but if you wish to, well... Just your honest feedback, please. P.E.A.C.E!

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That would be time for me to start looking for a different job. 
Of course, I wouldn't need to lie about my nationality, but I've been in situations where parents gave me very strange looks as they tried to figure out why I had such a different accent from Boris, Natasha, Anastasia, and Ivan. 

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That would be time for me to start looking for a different job. 
Of course, I wouldn't need to lie about my nationality, but I've been in situations where parents gave me very strange looks as they tried to figure out why I had such a different accent from Boris, Natasha, Anastasia, and Ivan. 

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I have no problem attending as a "Foreign Face," though, honestly, the last time I was asked to do so was years ago.

 

I also have no problem not telling students where I am from -- but as a teacher of spoken English who speaks an American dialect it might be difficult to hide my nationality (though, I can possibly pass for Canadian).

 

I can't really see why either of these would be an issue.

WangNan2020:

Well the first question was intended for non-US/UK/Canada nationals. Thanks for your comments anyway.

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The OP WangNan2020 said:
"Well the first question was intended for non-US/UK/Canada nationals. Thanks for your comments anyway."
So we can assume the question was a trap, ala, The Hundred Flowers Campaign 百花齐放 that worked so well, since apparently, according to him, only people from 3 countries are native speakers and thus meet the requirements to teach English in China.

WangNan2020:

Nice joke, very entertaining!

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Sandnose:

What joke? I don't understand what you mean. Was there something not factual? Please explain.

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Don't understand? Your dumb fs@k head has failed you. It amazes me your actually a teacher.!

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Woof, woof, woof, oops sorry, I meant, Wang, Wang, Wang, come on you mischievous little scamp, school me with that absurdly expensive foreign education that Daddy bought and paid for. It's your big chance to show the world what an "English Major" is really worth.

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Wang-ker just edited a previous comment so he appeard less of a dumbass then reposted some almost non-sensical gibberish and said "Don't understand? Your dumb fs@k head has failed you. It amazes me your actually a teacher." [sic] Gee whiz, I wish I was a teacher then I could teach you the difference between 'your' and 'you're'... lol genius. There is nothing quite so gratifying as when a clown calls your intelligence into question using appalling grammar that a child would never get wrong. Nice job dumbass, you sad little wannabe man.

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Oh yeah, hey Wee Willie Wang-ker, I'm still waiting for you to 1. Explain your, what is certain to be hilarious, joke and 2. For you to share an actual opinion or original thought in answer to your own question, but that might be too much since no one has told you what to say. I bet your inflatable sex doll /girlfriend has more original things to say. Hahaha

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sorrel:

it seems some 'admirer' has given us all a 'down-vote'

must have struck a nerve with a sensitive flower somewhere.

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Sandnose:

Xuehua are like that. Petty revenge is the domain of the impotent, pathetic babies who rather than engage resort to threats, intimidation, violence and blame tantrums instead of engaging in a moment of self reflection. It's the first chapter in the play book. Chapter 2 is how to present lame excuses to get sympathy or portray oneself as a victim. Clowns like this think they are so original and cunning but don't realise the world has their number.

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WangNan2020:

Your logic makes me... speechless, honesty I don't know how to engage or reason with you. So in your deduction, me saying my q is intended for non-US/UK/canadian teachers means I think that only they meet the requirements to teach English? Can you read my q again? Can you see it's about workplace integrity instead of which nationality qualifiers for teaching English?

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Sandnose:

My cockles are warmed that simple reading comprehension and basic logic is beyond your bumpkin brain. Every failed attempt at a gotcha drop the mic moment only reaffirms that you are the poster boy for a stereotype. You go girl....

Let's be frank for a moment, OK? The whole reason you asked this question was to take a passive /aggressive shot at foreigners. You are pathetically transparent. You may have been top of your class at Wumao Training School but you are such a complete dumbass with zero self awareness to realise how obvious and sad you appear. Stick to making bets with your inflatable girlfriend and barking at the moon... Wang Wang Wang. Who's the good boy? You are. Yes you are....

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I'd be more surprised if they ever told the truth...their lying just seems natural to me now.

sorrel:

i don't know any other country in the world that asks employees to be dishonest about their country of origin.

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It's common knowledge that a lot of centers employers do this, question is what you will do if put in the situation.

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Well its quite simple really. When a person who can't legally work is told by someone willing to hire them that they should say they are from Canada US ect....10 times out of 10 they are going to do it. The only time they will tell the truth is when they are about to quit or about to get fired....and then teacher Barack Obama's real Nigerian birth certificate comes out. Schools in china lie more than shady used car salesmen.

icnif77:

That's impossible! One must hold passport from native English country to qualify for Z in China ... i.e. ..to get legal job.

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I never said they were working legally.

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icnif77:

That is your opinion, anyway. You've never known anybody in person who did that, buTT "... they probably did ..".

 

Me, once I would be forced to lie about my origin, I would admit (to myself) something else sucks at my English teaching ...

Participation of native Englishers at this thread is pointless ..., IMO!

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Just saw your opinon herre, thanks.

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I wasn't ever asked to lie to students about my origin anywhere I worked and I wouldn't do it. What for?

I was always accepted by students as an English teacher and I've never needed shade "I am Native English teacher ..."

In Istanbul, I had to replace Native English teachers several times ... 'cause students 'didn't understand their teacher ...' ... and as the management told me, students required native English teacher before the start of the classes.

 

I was once let go at ET Tangshan because I am not native Englisher ... At least, that was the reason S. African DOS gave me. 

 

The thingy at English teaching I realized very soon is "I have problem as soon as students don't understand me, i.e. my pronunciation ...", so I speak English with clear, neutral accent once I am in the classroom.

 

WangNan2020:

I'd imagine a center like that is a good center to work for, honest and straight, and don't put pressure on employees about integrity.

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We've all heard the Sergey from Canada jokes. I'd be interested to hear what you would do in a similar situation.

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Can I jump in with Q/wrench of my own? OK,  thanks! 

 

How would you reply to a students' Q:

"Where are you from?"  or "Where do you come from?"  , if you wouldn't be from native English country?

 

 

Hint: Your A should prevent inferiority complex in front of the students since you aren't native Englisher ... thus your English isn't that good ...  surprise

sorrel:

whenever i was asked where i was from (native English speaker) Chinese people would insist that my country did not exist.

 

this was the case even when I presented with my passport (in banks, police stations etc) for official reasons.

i was even told that my passport was a fake

 

angry

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icnif77:

Stop avoiding my Q! See my Q again and answer it, pls!

 

In USA, same Q went like that:

"I try to figure it out your accent ... Where are you from?"

 

I replied:

"I come from the country where the world's best basketball players come from ..."

... for the similar reasons as yours.

 

Further Q: "You aren't from USA ...?"

A: "No, I am not ...!"

 

Once, I would tell the name of my birth origin country, I had to engage in geography lesson ... to pinpoint the area ...

 

After I got tired of geography, I had to made up a different answer ... I am waiting for native Englishers replies ...

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@icniff77 Can I answer your Q? Why don't you challenge them to tell you where they think the accent is from if you can micmic a number of different accents? That way they'll realize it donest make much sense to rely on learning so-called native English.

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to the OP, 

if your employer asked you to say that you were Japanese to customers/clients, would you do so?

Sandnose:

Never, those dogs refuse to apologise. Do you get the feeling that Wang Wang Wang, only asks questions that will solicit confirmation bias supporting answers and of course to earn a wumao for his ideologically correct refuting of simple truths.

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sorrel:

i think it is perfectly reasonable for the OP to answer any question such as he asks.#

 

This is one thing i really disliked about China,

I could be asked ANY question in China, yet locals refused to answer the same question in return, even if it was an innocuous one.

 

To me that is just rudeness, and shows lack of basic courtesy. 

If you enter into a conversation or dialogue, the bare minimum is at least give your own answer to any question you ask.

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icnif77:

Crickets ...

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Sandnose:

Sorrel, I think you know that these questions are asked for a few reasons. 1. as a passive/aggressive insult guised as an "innocent" question. 2. to set up a gotcha moment. 3. to confirm an imagined stereotype. 4. digging for an opportunity to be superior. There are other reasons of course but anyone who has spent more than 5 minutes in China knows absolutely everything is concerned with being a total dick to others, including your friends in the most innocuous way possible so they can't call you out for it without being accused of being a dick themselves . But. If you do call them out, the responses are predictable. 1. "Oh, I was only joking. We are friends." 2. Call black, white and play the ubiquitous victim card. 3. Throw a tantrum. 4. Deny and lie and blame. 5.All of the above

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@Sandnose

i am certainly aware of how the land lies in China, but i never let that prevent me from asking the question over and over until i come across a Chinese person who has the balls to respond to a civil question about why Chinese people don't answer questions they think it is ok to ask foreigners (with a civil answer that does not include insults or personal comments)

 

in another thread i pointed out why the excuse 'only joking' is a poor defense to justify vile/offensive comments, and why it is not a free pass to say anything.

 

Usually the most i get is insults, as this is a cop-out to actually having a coherent or logical response.

I have been told that I have a 'mental issues' or (my favourite one) of have a 'hormonal imbalance'. As if men are never impacted by the level of testosterone in their bodies (a male hormone for those of you who may not be aware that men also have hormones)

 

for me this is just par for the course, and i won;t stop asking questions. 

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ambivalentmace:

I always enjoyed people in broken English asking me the foreigner for directions because they knew I would answer honestly rather than ask the other Chinese people around them who would get them lost to save face and not look ignorant.

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Sandnose:

If you ask directions from a Chinese person there are only 3 answers. 1. Yi zhi zou - go straight. 2. Blank expressions. 3. Ting bu dong (regardless of which language or dialect you use).

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icnif77:

Ambi, you should try similar in Istanbul. Nobody speaks or understands English there, so I usually asked coppers ... They are everywhere and they speak a bit of English, buTT ..

I am on the biggest square in Istanbul (Sultan Ahmet sq.) with some 7 or 8 possible exits.

Cop directed me to the wrong one ... and I didn't ask only one cop. All directed me to the wrong direction ...

So, I asked my students ... what would be the reason cop would point me to the wrong ..

Students: "Most cops on SA square aren't from Istanbul ... They were sent to Istanbul from other parts of Turkey as temp. duty. They don't know anything about Istanbul ...".

 ... and obvious, cop can't say: "I don't know ..".

Turks have face culture, too.

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WangNan2020:

My answer will be I won't lie about my nationality. If the employer insists that I think I'd better run for the hills. But then again it's hypothetical case, as my work, line of profession and employers never will get into the situation.

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sorrel:

thank you for FINALLY answering my question.

It only took a week to get this response.

 

HINT:

it is more courteous to reply a bit more promptly, especially when it is clear you are online and making comments on other people's posts/comments.

 

It make it seem that you only respond promptly to insults with insults, and are reluctant to engage in civil discourse.

 

I suggest you take a look at my question and give your feedback - we really want to understand China here, and you can explain so much.

 

thanks

 

https://answers.echinacities.com/question/why-do-chinese-people-not-answer-questions?type=alatest#answer000

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@ WangNan, 

what are your thoughts on your questions?

 

would you pretend to be other than Chinese if your employer asked you to do so for customers?

Would you attend a business event as a token Chinese person?

 

Your input/answers will help our understanding of how Chinese people view themselves and the world - and i have often been told by Chinese people that 'i don't understand China'.

Your answers to the 2 questions above can help us all understand China more.

 

philbravery:

Lol George won't answer you....silly foreigner....he is to engrossed in his misguided belief that China is superior.

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sorrel:

my feelings are REALLY hurt.cool

Sandnose got a response.

do i not deserve a reply too?

or can i play the vitcitm card ?

 

is it because i am a 'hormonal woman' and Chinese people (men) don't know how to talk to us in a civil manner?

Wait a minute, men can be hormonal too, and testosterone impacts male behaviour more often than once a month........

 

 

 

 

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No raincoats for you, Phil! Ever! ... or face mask-sss ... 

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Seriously WangNan

all you needed to do was answer your own question, with if you would (or wouldn't) pose as a Japanese person if your employer asked you to.

 

it is no different really from the question you posted.

It would show that you were willing to engage with forum users and not just be doing what my experience of a majority of Chinese people do is ask question after question without doing the basic courtesy of replying. This is human communication 101, and i can see that you are logging into this forum.

 

sorrel:

or will we all be left to conclude that Chinese guys really have no balls (even online)?

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Sandnose:

Come on Sorrel, Woof 2020 is very busy making bets with his talking blow up sex doll (I wonder if it is Siri or Cortana?). He has no time for shenanigans such as behaving like a civilised human or an uncivilised human with actual cajones.

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sorrel:

Sir, 

i like to give eveyone the encouragement and opportunity to behave with courtesy, regardess of their private pecadillos.

 

 

 

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Sandnose:

You are a very generous soul. However, I did wonder; which nationality does Woof2020 identify as when he's doing the nasty with his inflatable trollop? I'm thinking he'd favour an adenoidal John Wayne drawl, pilgrim.

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@Sandnose, 

it depresses me when grown adults don't seem to know how to engage in basic communication (i.e. an exchange of ideas).

in any social conversation (such as on this forum), asking a question means that you are willing to answer the same.

anything less (from people who post more than once) shows at best self-absorbsion and at worst, some underhand intention.

 

I like to give those with poorer social skills the opportunity to demonstrate good-intention. Resorting to name-calling or insults does not denote a positive interaction, it being more of a refection on the character of the poster.

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Sandnose:

As I said, you are a generous soul. I just call a spade a spade. I have no desire to pander to clowns.

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sorrel:

yet again Chinese people disappoint all round - and lose massive face internationally.

all for the want of the inability to answer simple non-controversial questions.

 

sorry WangNan, 

you missed an opportuntity to help non-Chinese undestand Chinese people a bit better.

next time some Chinese person says 'you don't understand China' i can show them this thread as to how Chinese people are digging their own hole.

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On the contrary, I believe Wank2020 did a lot to help us understand the ubiquitous Chinese beta-male.

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sorrel:

@Sandnose, 

i think the WangNan alias has done nothing more than confirm the modus operandi of many Chinese men (and women)

all bravado until their superficiality is exposed (usually by logic), then following the familair pattern of ignoring the point of a conversation / 'hurt feelings' / insults / sulking / victim playing and then 'ghosting'.

without their mates to back them up they don't really have much confidence in themselves.

 

it is sad because so often they are given the opportunity and encouragement to step up and present themselves as rational outward veiwing empathetic people, capable of showing that there is a world outside China, yet invariably fall back into the same pattern.

 

For a country (and people) that crave international approbation and 'respect', Chinese people still persist in behaving like children and all for the want of showing that they can engage in simple conversation.

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That's why in the original Q I mentioned no lenghy debate as I foresaw it coming, here they come anyway. So my answer to my own Q would be no, I see no reason to lie about my nationality given this situation. Then again, doing the type of job I'm doing I doubt I'll be in that situation. Reason for the original Q is the discussion I had with my sister-in-law one day and her belief in so-called native speaker, the other reason is I used to have a lady neighbor from Ukarine, she was once in that situation.

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WangNan, 

do you know how rude it is not to answer a civil question?

we can all see that you can insult people in English. Wow - your 'burns of Sandnose are ace !!!

can you please show that you have a courteous side too - you know the side that shows the best of Chinese culture?

 

thanks

 

Sorrel

 

 

Sandnose:

My heart is broke Miss. He done schooled me with them bazingas proper.

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sorrel:

maybe '5000 years of culture' means that Chinese people can be rude to civil questions.

 

so sad

 

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why do you respond only to 'offensive' comments, and no civil questions?

your 'European' friend would certainly have told you how ignorant this kind of behaviour is - children soon learn that a civil question requires a civil answer.

 

sorrel:

i see that you have just asked the poster Biggj above the question again.

 

why don't you answer the question too WangNan? and why don't you respond to my questions - they are just as civil ?

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sorrel:

or is it that you don't like / are unable to answer women who ask questions?

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thanks for FINALLY answering my question, but why so long in responding to me?

you seemed happy to engage with Sandnose but not me.

 

the non-Chinese on this site ask and answer questions to understand China more, and when a 'Chinese' person posts, and we would consider it normal (and civil) to get answers to straightforwrd and non-controversial questions.

hence my question

https://answers.echinacities.com/question/why-do-chinese-people-not-answer-questions?type=alatest#answer000

 

it is ignorant for an employer to ask an employee to pretend to be another nationality, yet China appears to be the only country (i know of) that does this.

Why would this be?

icnif77:

It took so long 'cause they (mu-wao-s) work in shifts ... you know that is considered 'online work' ... 

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