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Q: What`s the best advice to a man who lived for 5 years without a valid visa and a pp?

Please advice accordingly;He came in 2007 with a travel document (ETD)emmergency travel document authorised by both governments.His country ran out of pp special paper for 4 years.He applied for a new pp with the Embassy and got a new pp with the same details as the ETD.Can her approach the PSB for an exit,or approach his Embassy?Is he likely to be fined?Can he exit to Hong Kong or Phillipines?

His worry is he may not be allowed back for the next five years.Any professional tips guys.

Thanks in advance

12 years 17 weeks ago in  Visa & Legalities - China

 
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Swim?

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If this is true, then when he is caught, he will most likely never be allowed back in China again.  (That is the best case situation.)  

Worst case, he would be put in a Chinese prison for years and then kicked out of China permenently.

His best option is to go to the US Embassy in Beijing and seek assylum.  (I don't know if that will work.  Have him call the Embassy first.)

Though, I don't know how he would get to the Embassy since in order to get a train or plane ticket you need to show a passport.

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The first point to be broght out is that Chinese Officials DO TAKE visa overstays VERY SERIOUSLY, they do feel foreigners do not respect their rules and want to do as they please.
Now, I was 23 minutes late about 6 months ago, normally ay any other country I would have been allowed to pass and exit it.  Even the long lines were excuse enough to be a few minutes late.  But no way Jose, I was detained for almost 4 hours while "consultations" were made.  Eventually I was allowed to depart with no fine, but was given a verbal warning not to be late again for 2 years or loose my visa.  They said a note was placed on my record with them.  Now, I exit China always one day prior to the last one.

Now, back to your question.  Most probably if he goes to PSB he will be detained at the office there, most probaby will have to pay a fine, and last time I heard was 500 Rmb per day late., or 5 x 365 x 500 = 9,125,000 Rmb ACCORDING TO THE LAW. Of course, he may end up paying less too, be ause there is a maximum amount on the fine to be paid.  But after a 5 years overstay, they may choose to ignore the maximum.....
I am almost certain he will be deported from China, and any future visas requested by him denied for maybe 5 to 10 years.
I am not kidding, the one that recommended swimming is totally correct, I will (in that fellow's shoes), try my best to swim into Hong Kong or Macau, then go back home from there.
I do not envy that guy at all, he is in it up to his nose, what was he thinking for 5 years ?

 

MrTibbles:

There is a maximum fine of 5000rmb for overstaying a visa.

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Car boot Hong kong.....goodluck

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he's worried about being able to come back??? he must be an idiot. he needs to make his way fuzhou or xiamen and hire a boat to taiwen. or go to shenzhen and take the train to hong kong. depends on his passport though. i assume he isnt a westerner becoz i dont see a westerner willing to risk going to jail here. also what he can do is buy a "seat" on a container ship heading to his country. but he should in no way fly or stay in a hotel for that matter.

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Find a freind who is same age build etc at a glance looks like you and beg to borrow their passport then enter a different country,get said freind to report his passport missing,

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His best bet is a fake passport, getting out of China (Zuhai, crossing Dongbei border to Macao then to Hong Kong) to his home country, their he has to tell that he lost his original and get a new one, apply for a L-Visa and come back.

Didn't want to say it but this is the best solution he can get.

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Wo! guys i respect your decisions.Sounds wonderful.If u have more ideas please u r welcome.Good job.I really appreciate.So far so good

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i guess we know who the idiot is, i just reported you to my local psb. they will contact the admin then track you down from there. after they arrest you i'll get a sweet reward

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surrender?

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Any reason why ppl haven't suggested a trip over a border to, say, Thailand, Vietnam, Kazakhstan... etc? Or even to T!b3t...

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The fact that he would have to show his non-existent passport might be the reason.

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I was thinking of sneaking over the border - shouldn't be too hard.

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Something similar happened to a Canadian in the city where I live.   I posted about this under another thread.  He overstayed his visa by three or five years (I don't remember now) and eventually he was caught becaus he was involved in a brawl at a local bar and the police were called.  He was not treated very charitably -- that I can tell you.  He was fined a great deal of money, which he did not have, and then he was remanded to jail for a very, very long period of time.  Even the Canadian Embassy was loathe to intervene as he was a rather malodours type of person.  At the end of a very long time in jail, he was deported home.

But in the end, I can only wonder if the story of the OP is real.  How does enter China on a  "travel document" authorized by both governments?  The Chinese government absolutely requires a valid passport with a valid Chinese visa and the passport must be valid for six months past the expiry date of the visa.

As for swiming from Hong Kong to Macau and all of that, my God, that is not even feasible nor practical in terms of security in place.

There is a saying in French  : "qui seme le vent, recolte la tempete".

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Lots of foreigners here got an illegal visa nowadays!

 

I had heard a French-Poland guy he is doing male whore thing on here...pretty scared me..

 

Why do people even ask the question in public? Im really wondering....

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wait there is a demand for male whores!!!!!!!!! oh wait is i gay guys ??????????? damn my dream will never come true.

12 years 9 weeks ago
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Actually, there is an Island called "Paradise Island" wher your dream could come true! Just ask Diana Prince.

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I like a snowy Happy new year, rather than a no sky one...Beijing's time to ban the cars---the only solution for the time being...

 
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I suggest you hitch hike to Xinjiang and cross the border to Afghanistan. Seek asylum with the US soldiers there and they'll help you. If the cops catch you with no identification then they won't know what to do with you so you'll probably sit in jail for quite a while. 

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I'm surprised no-one has bothered to ask - what's this person's nationality? I'm guessing Phillipino, but only from the Phillipines comment in the OP... If it is there, then there's a bucket of trouble coming!

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Just curious, what does the persons Nationality have to do with it?

12 years 9 weeks ago
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Simple - politics! I had a Phillipino friend who had issues with visas (cos her new workplace stuffed up... or just got lazy and did nothing til it was too late). But, because China was unhappy with the Philippines of late, due to ownership of some islands, she couldn't just do a run to Hong Kong.. she had to go back home.

Some nationalities, China will deal with in a positive helpful way... others they will send them to hell and back out of spiteful revenge over some imagined slight. (how would they deal with this person if they were Japanese?)

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Ok so you say he came here on a ETD so that means his plane was rerouted to land in China and not his official place of travel. How he got out of containment once he got here is anybody's guess becuase the Chinese laws state that anyone arriving on a ETD should be held in containment until they can be sent to their home country, now that usually means a hotel somewhere under watch of a guard. So by my guess your friend is full of shit or your are as this is an impossible situation for anyone to be in.

Or he has been wanted by the police since he was noticed missing and that measn he will get exported after a long jail sentence.

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Come on thumbs down everything I say. rnrnPlease I like it thumbs down some more.

 
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What they did to my friend was call the embassy and ask if they were going to pay to send him back to the USA and if they dont pay then China will pay to deport him. They will try to fine you but if you dont have money they will just deport you.

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was this the guy that was executed for drug peddling? i guess he didnt make it out.

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Unless they guy was from the Soviet Union ca. 1990, I seriously doubt the veracity of this story. FOUR years without passport paper??!! Then again, you may be right. Or he drowned swimming to Hong Kong.

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Pray. Hard.

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Punch 981 in the face and laugh? Not as bad as a Chinese person who comes to Canada to claim refugee status, though. Hang all them.

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I'm late on this one but how does a counrty run out of passport papers for 4 years?

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