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Q: What's happening in France?
I watched the footage of the riots on the news and they were talking to a guy who was saying it was about the high cost of living, increasing taxes for the normal working people while the rich get tax breaks.
Has anyone been following the situation? Is there more to it? From what I understand what started as a protest against fuel prices morphed into various interest groups going out to smash up the city and use it to further their own cause.
It's nuts. It feels like I'm some out-of-touch weirdo talking about completely different things than the media.
I don't trust the tales. I don't believe the protests morphed into violence and pillaging naturally. I believe the discontent was commandeered by foreign agents to further an agenda.
I doesn't help that Trump is gloating about his recently-defriended buddy Macron's woes, but I don't think he is responsible.
It's originally about fuel prices, so I look towards OPEC, the falling oil prices, and that slimy, murderous royal family in Saudi Arabia. This protest would have people believe that there is public revulsion against environmentalist policy.
The vast majority of people want their government to motivate business to provide more sustainable energy services. But that will leave sellers of fossil fuels out of pocket. I don't know the full story, but my instincts tell me this is a ploy from oil sellers to re-establish dwindling demand for their fossil products.
There are legitimate, non-violent protests, focused around French cities. Then there's a number of dishonest rabble-rousers happily exporting their violent pillaging 'protest' into other countries' cities, like Belgium, the Netherlands and Germany. These countries had no protests and different gov't policy, different leaders and different sentiments. The mercenary thugs don't care, probably because OPEC supports their efforts to throw shade at environmentalist policy. It's all good for oil sales.
The globalists versus nationalism
The urban elites against the thugs in the countryside
The office workers against the people who get their hands dirty
Same old story, different century.
They still can't understand that making rich people pay will cause them to leave, like the 10 thousand millionaires that have left in the last decade, so you repeat the same stupid policy, raise the taxes again.
Since they wrote the global warming CO2 reduction treaty, they have to be the shining light of its wisdom by raising taxes on fuel to the point that 4 liters is $7.25. People with no production jobs because the globalists sent them to third world countries can't commute to the rich folks in urban areas at those prices.
This was a carbon tax not a fuel tax, and it was supposed to be raised by the same incremental amount each year over a five year period. After 5 years a liter of fuel would be 2.50 Euros, crazy idiots.
Macron was a third party substitute because the left was afraid of a right winger and half the people left and right did not want him. The right winger would not have caused riots in the streets by raising fuel taxes, quite certain of that.
ambivalentmace:
It's really a pity the globalists could not get robots to grow the food and kill all the thugs and deplorables before they voted to throw them out for nationalism again,
The result will be they will try again in the future, never consider that they were wrong, they just did not have enough money or time to make it work, and history will do this again. Let them eat cake. Never forget that somebody knows what is best for you who has all the degrees and letters with their name, and it is always for your own good because your a piece of whale shit that sits at the bottom of the ocean for lobster to eat. Revenge is the rich dumb ass eats the lobsters.
ambivalentmace:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/12/vive-la-france.php
workers unite, for what, who cares?
ScotsAlan:
Ambi. France has the 6th largest ecomomy. Its hardly a failed state. It is also rated number one for healthcare etc. Compared to the US it is a utopia. What they dont want is it to become an american coporate utopia.
ambivalentmace:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-01-03/frances-health-care-system-is-going-broke
It's great until you run out of other peoples money.
ambivalentmace:
https://www.theguardian.com/social-care-network/2012/jan/11/growing-problem-elderly-care-france
Kill the old farts, problem solved. next problem, close the roads, no fuel taxes necessary.
ambivalentmace:
https://www.healthcare-economist.com/2008/04/14/health-care-around-the-world-france/
92 percent of French residents have private insurance to compliment the government healthcare and the private market is a big portion of health care. Utopia always has some skeletons in the closet.
It's nuts. It feels like I'm some out-of-touch weirdo talking about completely different things than the media.
I don't trust the tales. I don't believe the protests morphed into violence and pillaging naturally. I believe the discontent was commandeered by foreign agents to further an agenda.
I doesn't help that Trump is gloating about his recently-defriended buddy Macron's woes, but I don't think he is responsible.
It's originally about fuel prices, so I look towards OPEC, the falling oil prices, and that slimy, murderous royal family in Saudi Arabia. This protest would have people believe that there is public revulsion against environmentalist policy.
The vast majority of people want their government to motivate business to provide more sustainable energy services. But that will leave sellers of fossil fuels out of pocket. I don't know the full story, but my instincts tell me this is a ploy from oil sellers to re-establish dwindling demand for their fossil products.
There are legitimate, non-violent protests, focused around French cities. Then there's a number of dishonest rabble-rousers happily exporting their violent pillaging 'protest' into other countries' cities, like Belgium, the Netherlands and Germany. These countries had no protests and different gov't policy, different leaders and different sentiments. The mercenary thugs don't care, probably because OPEC supports their efforts to throw shade at environmentalist policy. It's all good for oil sales.
haha,,, lotta people don't know,,, but lotta historians agree,,, when cute, sweet, naughty to the max Marie threw out the alternative 'let them eat cake' (there was no bread available to the nongmin at the time), she actually said that like it was ok.
Yeah, it was a helluva long way from a reasoned response, but some believe she was not using sarcasm, cruelty, disinterest. She just said.... eat cake if u don't have bread,,, haha,, actually just a sweet, dumb, young, sheltered, spoiled rich kid. Funny the price she paid....
Wonder if Paris is bringing another CR ? Both would and wouldn't surprise me. The desire is there, but I doubt their follow-through.
Yes, I am following through my daily 'ZeroHedge'. Yesterday were (Zero) following French Spec Police bringing huge armored cars to the Paris vicinity. Gov. is/was apparently afraid of Coup d'etat ... Ruski RT was reporting yesterday, too ...
125,000 French Take To Streets As Trump Trolls Macron; Protester's Hand Blown Off In Graphic Video
icnif77:
https://www.rt.com/news/445996-france-injured-protests-chaos/
Film from Ruptly news agency in the capital shows police facing off with demonstrators, who vented their anger well into the late hours. The footage captured officers chasing down demonstrators and later handcuffing them.
Thanks, some good insights there.
From where I'm sitting it sort of feels like it started with the issues that Ambi talked about. People get pissed off at the wealth gap, nothing new there. Can't get ahead because everything is so fecking expensive, nothing new there either, seems to be the way the world is now.
But that in itself isn't THAT big a thing. People will protest and complain but this is starting to look like the beginning of something a lot bigger. A bit like factory workers going on strike over pay demands or something, yeah they're pissed and frustrated but they're not going to demolish the factory over it, they just want to make their point, resolve the issue and get back to work asap.
I agree with Coin in that this feels like a lot is going on behind the scenes and the original protests were manipulated by outside forces.
Reading the headlines on Reddit today it sounds like there are extreme left wing, right wing, anarchist groups and maybe Russia involved as well as the usual opportunist looters and thugs who turn out for things like this.
Really makes me wonder who, if anyone, is pulling their strings. My money is on the oil companies. Russia possibly being involved might point to that.
ambivalentmace:
Russia is a boogey man because they need energy dependence from Europe to keep them alive as a country, but i have my doubts that Russia with a GDP lower than Canada and 4 times its population has any real influence in the world anymore at all.
The emperor has no clothes.
I know a Chinese couple in my town here in China that left France after going to University, marriage and kids in France. They run a baby store and said taxes and costs were so bad that government workers made more money than they did trying to run a business in France and left after 10 years there. They should have figured it out the first year there, but everything leans left there, newspapers, schools. everything, never get another story, so they wasted 10 years there. I don't know if there are any successful French companies left, maybe in name only with operations in cheaper countries. The country has always been a problem.
Stiggs:
Maybe, but having a bot army influence impressionable minds on social media and maybe donating a few thousand bucks to some extremist groups and encouraging them to raise some hell couldn't be that hard. Russia seems to be big on the bot army scene..
ambivalentmace:
This is some scary shit that's coming, i like the center right, but the backlash might send Europe back to the 1930's.
ambivalentmace:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/9/only-the-second-worst-result-of-efforts-to-unify-e/
The press are the last to admit something, this means it's already happened and over.
frnech people are addicted to strikes. revolution is in their blood. the number of times i've been stuck at the french end of the channel tunnel beacause of a strike, is ridiculous. just get on and do your bloody job and forget about the next strike
ambivalentmace:
https://apnews.com/216f4fe17e85429a82ee088ed2a73b41
The boy king of France that lives with his cougar has had his head handed to him on a plate. Now he is pissing off the socialist government that hates giving up their money and power by offering tax free end of year bonuses, sort of like the Saudi government trying to buy off the populace. What an idiot?
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-13/elite-french-police-launch-str...
A massive manhunt has been underway for the suspected shooter, 29-year-old French citizen Cherif Chekatt, as some 720 police and gendarmes have been looking for him nearly 36 hours after the incident at the popular Christmas market just a few blocks from the European Parliament.
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The suspect, Cherif Chekatt, 29, was born and raised in Strasbourg
"I shot the Cherif but I did not shoot the deputy ..."
in "Allan's Snack Bar" 
ambivalentmace:
You really have to pity the poor suckers who have worked in France for 30 to 40 years expecting the workers socialists paradise to take care of them that have paid into and supported this for decades and now the elites have let in refugees that bankrupting the system and France is taking all of this away from seniors, retirees and the middle class that built the country. Working for a company for 20 years to retire and you get fired in the 19 th year with no pension is actually coming to Europe thanks to the financial strain of immigration, nobody looked at the long term consequences that would bite them in the ass.
diverdude1:
haha,, I remember when that song was stuck in my head when I was a kid,,,,
funny thinking about it as an adult (semi),,, 'I shot the Sherriff,, but I didn't shoot the Deputy.' Oh, in that case,,, no worries,,, we'll just let u off w/ a Stern Warning: Don't do that again!
go ahead and grab yourself a bottle of soda on the way out,,, on the house.
ScotsAlan:
The issue was the elites giving tax breaks to the other elites while screwing the workin class. Many of the elites want an American style system because it personally rewards them handsomely.
icnif77:
https://www.rt.com/newsline/446489-strasbourg-market-attack--prosecutors/
He was screaming "Allan's Snack-Bar" while he randomly shoot some 20 people, 4 of whom are dead at Christmas Market in Strasbourg ... He wasn't connected with protesters, except he used general mayhem to avoid capture.
Quote is Marley's remodel and it's the first comment below the text on the weblink ...
I mean, ''IT WASN'T Moi!" 
'Frogs' are out again ... to get Macaron ...
"This is for the institutions - we want more direct democracy" 
icnif77:
Just under 70,000 police have been mobilized across France in an effort to contain some 33,500 estimated protesters - a much lower turnout than in previous weeks, while the Yellow Vest movement itself has spread to several countries across Europe, as well as Iraq, Israel and even Canada.
Meanwhile, in stark contrast to the bright yellow vests worn by most protesters - a groupd of half-naked women posing as Marianne, the Goddess of Liberty and a symbol of French patriotism, have faced off with police in Paris. 
Once, they change the colour (yellow), "China here i come ..."
(your) Colour is the only 'protection' you have in China at the moment ... 
