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Q: What's wrong with China, you are here aren't you?
I can't really understand why people seem to bag China so much. I can say living in Australia is just so expensive, older male workers can't get a job (affirmative action), rental properties are just so expensive and the real estate people treat you like crap, politics in Australia are just mental, young people are stabbing each other and others, no respect for anyone....man can I go on without blowing a fuse!! 
People BAG China maybe because they lock up Noble Prize Winners
This has got to be the 3rd time this question has been asked. People just can't seem to wrap their heads around using the search bar. It's not hard, folks. People come here for work and leisure. They make observations about it. Good and bad. Chinese people do too. Deal with it. And people get stabbed everywhere. But I had never been to a country where adults go on rampages and stab a bunch of 5 year olds until I came to China.
I understand that this topic seems to raise it's head a lot, but my interest is why do people actually bag China when it is a lot safer than most countries. If you think about it 1.3 billion people live here, and yet you can walk around at night with no problems. I have asked questions about foreigners and their attitudes when drinking, we can buy alcohol anywhere here with no restriction, do people cause the crap like in Australia? No No No. So why do people bag China so much? It is a country and it has it's people and laws, but it seems to me a lot of people want to change it into something it isn't and won't be!??
beaufortninja:
China is filled with crime. You just never hear about it. Sexual violence against women is rampant. Theft and fraud are also big. I'd rather someone stab me in the gut than drain my entire life's savings out of my bank account. And I have seen dozens of bar fights between Chinese men. Dozens.
Alex66:
I am in Zhejiang, I heard Guangzhou is active but I didn't realise it is like this
beaufortninja:
Must be a Cantonese thing? Referring to the bar fights.
Mr_spoon:
There's a lot of crime, especially fraud, but as you probably know every bit of information is filtered here. And negative images just can't go through. It is generally safe for foreigners, but as long as you don't go to the wrong places. There's been a big raise in bar fights since the past few years in Beijing. 3/4 were between drunk foreigners who thought they were superior and craved attention, but recently all the fights I've seen were between drunk chinese men (like 10 men beating a man with bottles and stools). The capital is getting violent, but I don't know about the rest of China. As I said, it's safe if you don't wander off in mob bars/drug dealers bar, remain friendly, don't talk to the wrong people, and remain quiet, just like any educated person.
It is a lot safer most of the time,it as its laws which can be broken with impunity if you know the right people most of the time,some people are not calling China are its law,just the way they are implemented,one for all and all for one
For a while there my policy is that I would only live in a perfect paradise on earth, but through the incompetence of others, it turns out that that doesn't exist yet.
DaqingDevil:
And while there are humans alive on the planet there never will be a paradise. Define paradise? More a state of mind than physical surroundings I think.
I am here because I found a promissor Job, If I have the same money somewhere else I rather be living in Monaco
"I can't really understand why people seem to bag China so much. I can say living in Australia is just so expensive, older male workers can't get a job (affirmative action), rental properties are just so expensive and the real estate people treat you like crap, politics in Australia are just mental, young people are stabbing each other and others, no respect for anyone....man can I go on without blowing a fuse!! 
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Being an Aussie as well, I can relate to what you're talking about.
BUT... older male workers here aren't getting jobs easily if they don't have the quals or experience (we can, because we have those...).
Real estate people here (usually directly through the landlord) can really stuff you around, and you have NO legal recourse that they will care about! At least back home, there is the RTA and its ilk across the country, there are complaints that can be filed and acted upon, there are small claims courts you can go to (and yes, I've done them!). I have nothing here except being lucky to have a good landlord!
Politics in Australia?? You're seriously going to get into a discussion comparing Australia's politics with China's???? WTF?? Back home, I can make political statements til the cows come home - long, loud, public, even offensive (though, not too much). I have NO chance of being allowed to do that here! People are too timid to even discuss it in a private conversation! I'm not saying that the Australian government is wonderful, but the political climate there is significantly better than here!
Young people stabbing each other back home... yeah, it happens. Happens here too. Frankly, I'm more worried about your next point - no respect for anyone. At least in Australia, IF I did get stabbed, I'd be fairly certain that a) the police and ambulance would be called, b) there would be numerous witnesses willing to testify, c) there'd be no cover-up, and d) no 'big-wig's' child is going to shout "I dare you to call the police - XYZ is my father!" - not without looking like a complete moron!!! In Australia, if I get hit by a car, or otherwise involved in an accident, I'm pretty damn sure people will come to my aid... I don't get that here.
As said above, China may have laws, but they get ignored 90% of the time. Back home, they may get ignored 5% of the time, and attempting to bribe a police officer (or law court) isn't likely to get you far. Back home, we have 'consumer protection', while there is none here. We have racial discrimination laws, where here it seems more like racial discrimination contests!
There's lots of reasons to bag China. No doubt, there's lots of reasons to bag Australia too - but given the wealth of possibiliites, China is far more open to it than back home. I'd say, there, we complain because things aren't 'perfect'.. in China, we complain because things aren't sane.
Shining_brow:
Oh, and because the jail Nobel Peace prize winners.... ( :p )
Like many people said it before, every country has its bad and good things, habits, mentality, etc.
Bagging China is not only a matter of what people do or how people behave.
Bagging China is related to its system, to how the system works, to how you're blind about what happens here, to how you can never know what really happens.
You wonder why crime is so low and you feel safe the night : mainly because, crime is not always reported in the news, some police stations will refuse to register your complain because it can reduce their bonuses...
but also, here when they send you to jail, they don't need to give you an explanation, they want you to disappear because you complain to much about the local government, they will just make you disappear. At last, they can just send you to death. In US too for instance. But how many people will fight for you to prevent it happens, a lot! In China, who will fight for you....nobody!
Now, I wonder if in Australia is like that....I presume not. Australia is like you describe, because young people or people have never lived in the fear, they have never had friends, relatives, etc being taken away or killed by the government just because they think differently (Yan'an Massacre, Cultural revolution, Kang Sheng era).
We, in Europe, we have lots of criminal problems is mainly because justice is not on the side of the justice, it's on the side of who gets the best lawyer. Criminals can be protected by human rights and the laws. We have lots of young people who are told every day that they live in a country abiding by the human rights, without telling them that before they rights, they have also duties toward the community or the society. In Europe, we are too soft on criminality, offenses, because we still want to show to countries like Iran, China, North Korea, Libya, etc, that human rights prevail in our European countries....
It's not only a matter of despising Chinese people or habits, it's despising a whole system that created those people. Can you criticize the system in China, no? (You would in Australia, that's why you have election or demonstration) So, the only thing you can criticize is indirectly the people who are part of this system, but only the small 99.9% small fishes, the 0.01% of big fishes (government officials, etc), you would also keep your mouth shut.
Yeah ive been reading these boards for a while now, some is informative, some funny and some ust plain weird but it does seems like a good place to ask questions primarily but also a chance for foreigners to share and vent a little about all the bizarre things that we find here. Within that venting, we learn from eachothers experiences. Although i think its unwise for chinese to come on here and get all pissed about it.. it is funny!
So dont worry, take it all with a pinch of salt. I would think and suggest to anyone here that if they trully hate it here, and all they can do is b**ch about it, then they should go home
