bill8899:

Got sacked? 

Sack up!

cub:

viki, can u be more specific about what u mean by''meeting'' with 300 plus men in a month? I mean u actually have ''met'' in person 300 men in a month or by other means ''meet'' them like by chatting on phone texting them and meting them in person?

Uniqlo:

No I didn't meet all those perverts, why would I since they just want to fuck?

iWolf:

Yeah cub, you moron. She only shagged half of them.

Uniqlo:

Shagged? That's not American slang, cub won't get you.

cub:

thanks for the compliments wolf! BTW Jesus still loves u too despite your hate and sin u are in ok? Yes wolf, there is still hope for u!

Lord_hanson:

Uniqlo, you answered cub's question addressed to Viki, explain yourself! I put it to you that you are an imposter!

cub:

@''H'' maybe uniglo and viki are one in the same person must be

royceH:

Yes, but have you ever tried it?

Uniqlo:

Why? Are you trying to seduce me?

Shining_brow:

Seriously?

18 year old bicycles???

Gross!

(almost as gross as the Oprah Winfrey DVD.... and, given the size of the holes on DVD,s, you're really not selling yourself :p)

mArtiAn:

That's the last time I lend you my bike.

Hulk:

mArtiAn, the bike asked for it.

Uniqlo:

No I took their money and told them true love can wait.

coineineagh:

money? so you're a prostitute pissed off by yanks looking for a freebie. what do you expect? it's not hard to hook up in China, so don't get angry if the laowai doesn't want to pay.

Uniqlo:

I do get angry. Not because they were not paying. They were all paying for my round trip taxies, a decent meal and the conversation can go deep and interesting. All that matters is every one of them wants sex right after this amazing date. And I'm therefore confused by their intensions. And that was always when things started to change the directions. Or maybe they were showing their true colors. Can't they wait for another time? Yes, maybe they were just looking for a hookup. They are all bastards. They said they want something serious and they faked up all this great date and stuff only to get me in bed? 

coineineagh:

So, good guys don't sleep with you on the 1st date. Bad guys do. I guess my family has a bad guy as husband and father, then. And serial daters patient enough to wait until a next date before they hit and run, they're pretty good guys huh?

Lord_hanson:

Uniqlo/Viki, you're a Ho! You expect men to pay money for everything for you? If you want to be sexist and treat men like that then don't get offended when men are sexist back.

Shining_brow:

Burger King in Shanghai, remember?

And there's quite a few youth hostels there to go trash around.

Uniqlo:

Nothing special really. We talked about hometown, jobs, family and so on. Some would ask me why i was still single. Then I'd ask back. We had fun long chats and laughed a lot. Things went really well until they said they'd invite me to their place and make the date the fullest. That's when i knew things either went too fast, or they were never serious in the first place. or am i totally wrong about them? I know there are men who just want sex, but all of them? It just doesn't make sense. Especially they all said they were looking for a gf. Is sex on the first date cultural thing?

cub:

no uniglo. sex on the 1st date is a lack of morals thing And the men who wanted to bed with u are used to having loose easy women sleep with them its assumed and normal all women would say ''yes'' and not ''no'' instead! A relationship believe it or not, is more than sex and one night stands ok? These days to say ''no thanks'' to sex on the 1st date or untill marriage is treated as a crime! Just watch the reactions u get when u say or do this!

Uniqlo:

Cub, when I said no, they thought I was lame. They insisted and said it's just gonna be cooking/movie/hangout. But the moment I agreed to go to their place they'd want to have sex. Some are forceful, some would pretend to be nice. Then  the next day, either or both of us would block the other. 

cub:

uniglo/viki then why not lay out rules dos and donts BEFORE u get to the dinner movie and hanging out? Assumptions and having sex as normal on 1st dates are assumed because previous women are way too easy and give in not saying''no'' or asking the mans intentions before the dinner movie thing ok? How about discuss communicate to find out if they assume after the movie dinner its sack time as a given? Ask these questions before u start with the dinner/movie because nobody is capable of reading m inds And dont be giving out suggestive signals to the man as a green light Also stop wanting to go to his place where he is more comfortable

cub:

i guess im guilty as charged by commenting about this Also i guess its because we can try to add any advice try to help,but in most cases others don't help

royceH:

Nothing to do..Live in China.

Hulk:

Bored.

iWolf:

Can't find my house keys...have kill time waiting for the missus to come home. Oh, i almost forgot....fuck you cub

Uniqlo:

Your missus is really late. Come over to my palace, ipuppy.

cub:

uniglo/viki i think wolf has been watching Mike Meyer as Austin Powers ''The spy who shagged me'' movie!

cub:

@ kasuka91 yeah u noticed that too?

Uniqlo:

Are you suggesting I'm no marriage material?

iWolf:

No, not at all. I suggesting that Americans recognise you as being no contest when they are too lazy to wank.

Uniqlo:

When they are too lazy to wank, their mothers are too far away to serve them is no contest, I think.

Uniqlo:

You tell me Mr sausage. 

I don't know if I'm able to sit. 

Would you lend me your sausage 300 times a month and lets test it.

cub:

come on u two get a life or a hotel room why dont u? sheeez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Garbo:

So true about not dressing like hookers which is exactly hie many Chinese women dress . I was at a friend's house in Beijing and she had the shortest shorts on that day. I told her not to go out in them or people would think she's a hooker . She asked if they were OK for the gym . I told her not even there . I'm not a prude but she really looked like a working girl .

SpongeBob:

Yep. The purpose of having sex is to make babies. Then why wear condoms when you go and hook up? Coz that's not the purpose. The purpose is while male are enjoying the sex, they let females bear all the risks of getting a cut in their body, getting an abortion and a possibility of never getting pregnant again. 

Yes, human are animals. And even male monkeys know to bring nuts to female ones co z in the animal world, males are supporters. And you, men, you want to fuck a woman, enjoy the sex, get her pregnant and let those women bring up the children for you? You fucking daydreaming!

Why are all the prostitudes females throughout the history? supply and demand. Everyone from young and old wants to have sex with a young female. That's why theyll pay for it. Male and female can never be equal and to have sex with a female, he is taking advantage of her. Only idiots have sex with guys upon meet up.

Stiggs:

Wow, those are some very bitter, cynical 'observations' SpongeBob. You come across as having had a bad experience or two with men in your past. Sorry to hear that if it's true.

But, do you really think that by having sex with a woman a man is taking advantage of her?

Unless he's raping her which of course is totally wrong, it's a two way deal.She chose to be there too and is presumably getting something out of it as well.

 Yes, there is always a chance she'll get pregnant, that's nature, not much either party can do about it other than take the usual precautions.

"Why are all the prostitutes female throughout the history?"  Well they weren't then and aren't today.

Ever heard of a gigolo? A male prostitute? A duck? From what I understand they make quite a good living servicing both male and female clients.

Shining_brow:

Sorry you feel that way, Spongebob - well, more to the point, that you've had experiences that have taught you to feel that way.

Yes - the purpose of sex is to make more of the same species. That's biology for you. It might be quite interesting to see a species as physically developed as humans that don't produce sexually, and see if they still do the sex thing!

You commented on the wrong person! I'm a guy who enjoys getting the woman off. And, thus, no matter my sexual wants or needs while single I still won't see a prostitute - I want us BOTH to really enjoy the experience.

I'm far more into equality than I suspect you (and most women) are.

What you're describing is the crap that comes with a patriarchal society! You have bought into it...

Sex and relationships should be a MUTUAL thing... not merely a contract. why should the male bring nuts, when the girl is just as wanting, and gets just as much out of it???If you're going to say "because she takes the greater risk" - then you're suggesting a handful of nuts is sufficient payment for that risk - and if so... seriously????? That's BS!!!! 

Sex is NOT something just for the guy!! Sorry you think otherwise :(

SpongeBob:

ok. first, let's agree sex is always a controversial topic.

second, yes, there are some male prostitutes, there are also female raping males, but rare, right? why?

third, if you have a daughter, do you want her to be easy to get into bed? what if it's a son?

forth, would you marry a woman who's not able to have a baby coz she was sleeping with countless men and now she lost the ability?

fifth, if i tell a girl to be careful when she goes to meet men at night, it'll make sense, if i tell a guy to be careful when he goes to meet a girl you'll think i am joking, why?

male and female, on sexual aspects are naturally opposite. men will want to have sex with as many women as possible as that is good for them to get more babies. women on the other hand, no matter how many men she has sex with, will not give her more than a baby one year, so she's naturally more selective. if she's not, the man will not help her bring up the child and she'll have no oppsprings coz they'll all die out. 

the western society is full of bullshit on sex, that's why the divorce rate is so high, why would anyone need a man if all he wants her is to be another man, which is to be so independent, make money, support him, raise his child and cooks for him? fuck that. no one needs men if women is expected to be equal to men coz we are just better, we can be 100% sure the babies are ours but you can never and that is why you need to fuck all around to make sure some of the dumb women have your babies.

cub:

hey sponge and shining your answers are very interesting about sex is only to make babies/offspring to continue the species But what would u say to a christian who says believes sex is for making babies the same thing u just said? Why are christians bashed for saying the same thing? Would u agree or throw hate names and try to shame/embarass them? What about abortion/murder of her offspring? Seems like abortion is a birth control method wouldnt u think? just asking

Shining_brow:

Biologically sex is about making babies. This is the purpose of sex.

Humans are, apparently, more than just their biology. So, sex is ALSO a social activity. Nature doesn't really care about what we do with sex.. It is NOT about love, or devotion, or anything else.

So - the fact remains - what we do with our bodies is our choice. We make conscious (and often times, unconscious) decisions. Whether to have sex with someone is one of those. While the biological purpose of sex is to increase the species, the choice to have sex or not is NOT biological!

Abortion.... nature does abortions all the time. Far more women get pregnant than we ever realise, but her body 'aborts' the pregnancy before it's even noticed.

cub:

shining, u are right about ''miscarriages'' not what u labeled them as abortions big differences! Miscarriages are nature doing this Whereas abortions are caused by man a doctor a pill made by man its intentional Dont lump the definition of abortion and a miscarriage as they are not the same thing A'[abortion'' is the ladies choice by whatever means she uses and no, its not her body any more she is aborting[murdering] because now the unborn baby has a separate DNA at conception science has proved this so its now a separate human being she is aborting for a birth control method Sorry ladies science says otherwise so now its not just ''your'' body alone any more!

Shining_brow:

Oh, I have to use YOUR definitions now, do I?? I have to use YOUR labels.

You also want me to accept YOUR definition of what is a 'human being'... a dozen cells that are virtually indeterminate from any other bunch of cells is still a 'human being' in your books. And, purely by reason of being a 'human being', this automatically entails that it has a 'right to live'.... and no other reason is necessary. Logically speaking, Mao and Stalin and Gingis Khan - who had made to be slaughtered literally hundreds of millions of people on this planet within the last few thousand years alone - they have just as much right to live as Michelangelo, Mozart, St Vincet De Paul, the Pope all the unnamed and unknown heroes of the world... yes???

The body aborts the pregnancy - and thus, 'abortion'. OMG - that means the body is MURDERING the poor few cells that one day could have turned into... another member of the most destructive species this planet has ever seen... who's very existence REQUIRES the deaths of tens of billions of other life-forms (from bacteria and viruses, up to sentient creatures)... And given the time that we live in, will help bring on such food crises as to be apocalyptic.

So - guess what... yes, I'm actually in favour of 'murdering' humans!

cub:

whoh! shining slow down a little ok? These ''few cells'' as u call them If u let them live do they become a dog a cat a cow? No, they become a human being a baby!!! duhhh!!!!!!!!!!! Science will tell u this no argument end of discussion! But because u cant SEE these few cells now disposing them makes them less than a human baby even with thier owh separate DNA to PROVE to doubters like u shining that yes thats a baby being murdered! Just think afer legalising abortion since 1973 over 50 million would be social security supportes in USA are not there to help support many baby boomers and after! How do u replace over 3 generations of would be future scientists doctors lawyers teachers? Shining, are u glad YOUR parents thought u being born to live not MURDERING u by abortion was woth something? So u take life for granted way to go!Again science PROVES to u shining that after conception these ''cells'' have ''DNA'' separate from the parents! How ungrateful u are that your parents chose life over death by letting u live shining! So life if its at least someone elses is worthess right? And these are NOT my ''definitions'' these are the scientific community the scientists who everyone treats as a god that PROVES DNA never lies thats thier definitions! Even animals get more compassion than unborn human babies do! BTW shining who left u god to choose between life or death? Back in 1973 people could use the excuse of ignorance being DNA research was unknown but now ALL know that those as u say''few cells'' are a human baby not a PC label called a ''fetus'' or a ''blob'' ALL know its a HUMAN BABY! So go ahead shining u convinced yourself already u prefer death as long as its not your life And i can argue this with u for months and years but i have DNA and the scientists backing me up! Remember shining, DNA NEVER LIES! PERIOD!

Shining_brow:

As much as I know I'm lowering myself to actual discuss this with you...I will, because I like to argue.

A) guess what - you're right. I would have preferred not to have been born!

Also guess what - if I had been aborted .. I would never have known about it!

B) you are obviously one of those conceited, ego-centric idiots who doesn't bother to look at the world through anything but your anthropocentric rose-coloured "god loves all humans" viewpoint.

WE ARE THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE CREATURES ON THIS PLANET!!!

Please try to get that through your head!

Humans, in their expansion and global domination, have wiped out more species than any other living thing on this planet!

And to you... meh - who cares? Humans are far more important!!!

The pissy little 80 years that 1 human will have, vastly outweighs all the destruction, deaths (MURDERS) that will occur to keep that 1 human alive - right???

Have you even stopped to consider just for a nano-second what this planet is most likely to be like within 100 years???

CAN this planet support 10 Billion people? 20 Billion? 50 billion????

Having MORE people on this planet is simply THE MOST IRRESPONSIBLE THING A HUMAN CAN CURRENTLY DO!

So, no - IO don't give a shit if a woman aborts a foetus - a potential person Death happens EVERY SINGLE SECOND OF THE DAY...

And what do you do about it???

You rant about unborn children.... you don't give a toss about the MILLIONS of people who have starved to death... you don't give a toss about the millions who have been trafficked as slaves (still happening!). You don't give a toss about the millions killed in senseless wars that have been happening.

Nor those killed in drug feuds, or by drugs, drunk drivers, domestic violence.

You certainly don't care about the many species that have been lost to humanity's (Huh - funny word that!) greed - to satisfy your little comforts!

No, you prefer to dwell on the life that might have been born - and ignore the life that actually IS!

C) yes, dogs have DNA. Cats haev DNA. Cows. sheep, whales, dolphins, monkeys, pandas, tigers, elephants, mosquitos, flies... they all have DNA... so, what makes the human DNA any more special than those??? Other than the likelihood of destruction.

You want to say "look at all the scientists, doctors, lawyers (WTF???) that could have been born.... and, quickly do the math, and tell me what the loss has been, and then try to calculate the destruction wrought! Less than 1% of humanity is really worth anything significant. (try to justify YOUR life - YOUR reason for existing!!! YOUR reason to say why all those animals had to die to keep you alive... or the earth destroyed, or the airs and rivers polluted - just so YOU could live!) So - we lost 50 million Americans ... what have we NOT lost???

This species needs a culling! and enlightenment!!!

D) Again, for you - the life itself is FAR more important than what is done with it. For me, it's not. We live, we die. Happens to ALL of us.... what MATTERS is what we do with it. Making more kids is NOT something that gets awards in my books! The vast majority of humanity can do that... so, if the woman aborts - then perhaps she can go on to have a life worth living in the grander sense of the word! You want to talk about doctors, scientists, lawyers (WTF???) - then how many women would never have been able to do that if they decided NOT to abort a pregnancy (or nature didn't abort for them). How many women have given MORE to society (which  seems to be your narrow-minded argument) BECAUSE they didn't have to raise a child???

A right to LIVING is more important than a right to life!

Shining_brow:

Oh, just as an additional argument...

Are you against ALL abortion? Or only selective? (well, yes, obviously you're selective, because HUMAN abortions are bad, but any other animal abortions are.. who cares??)

But - you mentioned 50 million Americans not being born (like, that's a tragedy!!)

What about if it were Muslims? Would having 50 million less Muslims in the world also be a bad thing?

What about Somalis, who are currently starving to death?

50 million more Indians, living in slums and poverty?

50 million more Mexicans, getting into the drug wars??

Is it ok to bring up children into these areas of the world? Into these "lives" (if you can call that living...).

How many more women would have turned to prostitution? How bad would your health-care system be now if you had another 50 million to deal with?? How about the rate of domestic violence in the US, given the connections between family life and economics.. How many more kids born to a heroin addicted mother? This is 'good' in your eyes? I say it is EVIL!

Go back to your bible - if you read it carefully, you'll find that "all life" is NOT sacred in your god's eyes. It is incredibly selective!

If your god wanted all human life to be sacred, then terminations wouldn't be possible! (natural or induced)

Shining_brow:

Again - I shouldn't argue with you, it only brings me down...  A LOT!

You are obviously a Christian. YOU choose to believe in some silly book you read that may have applied to situations 2000 or more years ago... (in which case, you're a hypocrite!)

I have NO problem with the killing of humans - ok??? I much prefer the killing of humans over the killing of other animals that are on the endangered species list.

You don't have a problem with it either! You're just unwilling to acknowledge it, because you're sanctimonious!

DNA - big whoop! So, those cells have human DNA... and??? So what?

Your preference is towards what might be rather than what currently is! I deal with reality - you live in a fantasy world. (one where some unproven figment of your imagination is more important than other people being allowed to live their own lives! Similar to other extremist and radical religious types!

You talk about science - and then you talk about sin... get real!

So - please go back and actually try READING what I wrote - and get it into your head that I do NOT think humans are all that awesome! That their lives are worth so much that 1 (or 50 million) deaths really mean a hell of a lot against the greater reality that is this universe.

I also presume you have no conscience towards the BILLIONS of animals and trees that humans have MURDERED... they count for NOTHING in your eyes..... YOu know,the ones that ACTUALLY lived and were killed... (not the 'might have beens').

hunny797:

I can relate to cub.. I have the same thoughts everytime I wank off..

oh there goes another would be could be pilot/engineer/loser etc down the drain..

sorry buddy..better luck next time

hunny797:

If the human life was so important would it not have been better to have only one cell in a sperm rather than a million cells competing each other only one to be the winner all others to be losers and the irony of it all, finding 25+ years laters that the so called winner was instead a loser too...

cub:

shining the earth and animals were given by God to take care of AND use ok? Besides u think animals and this earth are more valuable than human life? Sounds like the mother earth people who actuall worship the earth plants nature! Well, shinning the bible has predicted 1000s of years ago whats going to happen and is now happening to this world and mankind! Everything has come to pass The bible is very good at predicting events very accurately ok? For one thing the bible tells that things are and will get worse that mens minds deeds actions will get more evil and that evil will increase not decrease nothing will get better So see anything getting better in the world yet shining? BTW shining humans have souls and spirits that will never die after the body dies! Animals have no souls So by u taking the animals side by elevating them above man and since animals trees this earth are temporary they are not eternal like man who has a soul where the human soul and spirit are eternal never dies Sorry shining but im taking the eternal side not a temporary side of animals trees earth! Endangered species list come and goes it changes on the whims of whomever decides a little bug is more valuable than a human life is! See how fickle always changing and temporary man is and his thoughts are? Whatever is good today is bad tomorrow whatever is bad today is good the next day! So dont u get all holy and judgemental now ok? Murder lying stealing disonesty cheating greed was evil and wrong in the bible 1000s of years ago and all this is still evil and wrong today! DNA is a blueprint and proof of human life its unique no 2 DNA is the same So to call something unborn has human DNA a ''blob]] a ''fetus'' a '' few cells'' is ignorant of biology and cant admit it like u are doiong that DNA equals a human baby Just like at one time u was[a few cells] but were allowed to live 9 months then get born! Trees and animals murdered? Murder is only a word for something with a soul in it and tree animals dont have souls! Trees die animals die humans physically die go back to dust BUT humans souls never die! Sorry the word ''murder'' is only for humans that are the only ones with a soul! And ''evil'' dont exist i suppose u believe right? Why when a kid a few years old will lie and never had been taught to lie before? Or steal be mean hurt other kids when nobody taught them to lie cheat steal hurt others?" Now if cheating stealing lying hurting others for a new kid is ''bad'' who taught this kid this? U think his parents taught him these things? These days cheating lying hurting others stealing is normal its allowed condoned promoted its called ''good'' when it used to be ''bad'' and ''evil'' and ''wrong''So shining u see the world or society getting any better yet? One life by abortion is worth more than u value shining!! What if just that one of those aborted babies life out of the 50 million wasted lives was the next einstien or could had the answer a formula to cure cancer other life threatening diseases? Now we will never know will we because this life was snuffed out! So shining u prove that sin dont exist and evil dont exist and these two are separate ok?

cub:

hunny then how did this ''loser' 25 years later become a loser? Was he taught how to lose? And the reason why only one sperm makes to the egg is because this sperm was the strongest to survive with a will a goal to live among the other sperm Life should be treated as a goal to survive strive to live!

hunny797:

you're mistaken cub.. I said in my heart with regard to the children of man that God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but beasts. 19 For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity.[b] 20 All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth? 22 So I saw that there is nothing better than that a man should rejoice in his work, for that is his lot. Who can bring him to see what will be after him? Ecclesiastes 3:19-21 your book says that how can you say that humans are upwards and beasts downwards.. can you challenge your own book? secondly... you see I jerk off too much. So most of my comments on this topic will be based on this philosophy..what I am saying is when I jerk off and an "einstein" wanders down the drain never to become a genius..do einsteins stop being born? if the cure of cancer went down the drain yesterday because of me, is it not a poor planning on the "god's" part to send the cure in such a way that could easily get lost? hell it would ve been better to include the cure in the holy book rather than writing it on the unborn mind of an unborn einstein destined to "jump out of the frying pan and into the fire"???

hunny797:

to your reply cub..

if you plant a hundred seeds, it is not certain that all the seeds will become trees. Some of the seeds will never turn into a plant. Some plants will never turn into giant trees rather be crushed under some animal's feet or eaten by them. only some of them would be able to grow into fully grown trees.

Replace the seeds with sperm, plants with losers and giant trees as humans...

example 2: I remember seeing a documentary on Nat geo a long long time ago about a female turtle.. She travelled miles from the ocean into the land to lay eggs. After ( I presume) painful laying of  eggs she returns to the sea never to return. After certain time (70-120) days the 20 or so hatchlings come out.. they try to go towards the water. But most of them are eaten by the birds or caught by people.. Only a handful are able to safely land into water. Same is the case with humans. And as i mentioned humans and animals are mentioned as equal according to your book..

cub:

hunny, u believe whatever u want to believe i wont change or force u to believe what i know to be true so i did my part got the word out now its in Gods hands not my hands and no, i wont go back and forth arguing being judgmental So u believe whatever u want thats your God given free will to reject or accept and choose its your decision ok? @ shining the same i just told hunny goes for u also! No, i wont be dragged into endless argum ents either ok? The subject is over

hunny797:

Arguements are endless only when one or both of the groups are stubborn and unwilling to listen or believe. I don't know about you but I am willing to listen to you and change what I believe. But is it my fault that your own sayings contradict the book you quote? you said animals and humans are not equal let the animals be killed and perish, just save the man, says God. I find it illogical but since being a believer in God I say ok if God really says that I will believe it coz I believe in God. But when I simply try to search the reference for what you are saying (though it was your responsibility to provide reference in the first place, but never mind) I find you contradictory to your own belief. Now what can I say.. And of course what can you reply to questions like these. So better leave the topic because one of the groups is definitely a stubborn one unable to change his mind. 

cub:

hunny again sorry but im through discussing this ok? In other words i been there and im done with arguing disagreeing whatever its called No, its not a personal thing against u but again i don t wanto talk or debate this any more with u or shining or anyone else that will jump into the subject ok? u cant force me to believe your beliefs and i wont force my beliefs on others In the end we will see who is correct!

Samsara:

Cub, can I ask you a question:

Do foetuses have souls?

Spiderboenz:

HOW DARE YOU BLASPHEME THE GREAT OLD GOD, CTHULHU!!!

cub:

@Samsara, firstly before i answer u the question Why do u want to know? To start a non ending argument between others and me? First u tell me if u think a unborn baby has a soul ok? And please be honest! Just remember, because u cant physicaly see, measure or weigh something dont mean it dont exist, because there are many things in this world we cant see measure or weigh but we need and that does exist and yes, all know what they are and cant deny thier existence ok? And no trick questions!

Shining_brow:

@Hunny - cool thinking!

@ cub.... "I won't force my beliefs on other people".... except, that's what you just did!

"This discussion is over"... and yet, you still keep coming back for more!

@Samsara - is your Q only directed towards cub?

If we presume the existence of a soul in the first place (necessary for any intelligent discussion on the topic), then we need to be asking a LOT of other questions as well. (I'm not worried about proving the existence of such a thing at this stage - mankind's reliance on technology isn't going to answer that question just yet.)

Also bypassing the 'where do souls come from?" question.... :p

So, if a soul exists, and it somehow connected to a physical body - what are the physical limitations? What are the physical requirements? Can a rock have a soul? If not, why not? Can a tree? If not, why not? Can a bacterium? A mosquito? Coral? Cats & dogs? Dolphins or whales? What about a planet, or a star, or a galaxy? A universe???

Some (who probably never bother thinking about such things at all, and just look at a book written 1500 years ago (or less) to get their non-answers) will try to suggest that it's genetic - it's in the genes, in the DNA (without any attempt at an explanation of why!)

Ok, if the connection between a soul and a physical body is tied to the DNA - how? And, perhaps more importantly (from an ethical consideration) which bits? After all, if some (ignorant people) suggest that humans have a soul, but other animals don't, then let's take a look at the genetic make-up of humans and compare that to those other animals. If humans have souls, but chimpanzees don't - then what's in the tiny % of the DNA and genetic make-up that allows for a soul to 'inhabit' a human body, but not that of a chimp?

And, leads to the next most obvious question - if it's a DNA or gene issue, then when did it become an issue? Were there no souls at all inhabiting bodies up until about 1 million years ago? Did Neanderthals have souls? Homo Erectus? (the irony of some suggesting that the soul has something to do with DNA, but not accepting evolution, is not lost on me!)

Can a 'human' body on another planet - perhaps in a galaxy far, far away - also have a soul? Or is it only limited to humans on planet Earth? (are souls limited by such things as time and space?)

How is the connection made?

How is it 'expressed'?

Can a soul change bodies (of any type)?

After those question gets looked at, we need to start looking at the question you asked - at what point does the soul make this connection to the physical body?

Does a sperm have a soul? Does an egg? (an individual soul, if we presume that the carriers of those sperm and eggs have a soul).

Once the sperm and the egg join, and the DNA is mingled, does that then bring about a soul connection? Or is it later in the lfie-cycle of those cells that now start dividing and replicating.

Is there a certain organ that the cells need to have formed before a soul can connect to a body? If so, what's the definition of 'formed'? Once the first chemical is produced there? If so, how does that relate?

Is birth essential? What happens to all those foetuses that are naturally aborted (miscarried)? What happens to those souls?

And what does happen when the body ceases to have mental function (Is mental function required for a soul to connect to a body??)

IS mental function an expression of soul? (what does it suggest about a soul that connects to a body that has limited mental function?)

S0 - does a foetus have a soul? Lets see someone argue that it does - WITHOUT providing any discussion of any points above!

(FTR, in my belief - I don't know. Let me get back to you when I recall entering this body... I DO have memories of being in a body while in the womb - but that may not be soul memory, per se. But I also have memories of lives prior (different?) to this one.

A corollary discussion to this would have to be - what happens after we die?)

cub:

shining why dont u look at whom i was addressing my comments to about ending of dicussing the subject at? Was this BEFORE sansara asked me the question? YES it was before not after! So shining NO im NOT ''coming back for more'' as u claim! When samsara asked me the question for one thing it was a entirely different question than your question or hunnys question Secondly the question was asked AFTER i said the subect matter between u me and hunny was over! Did u noticed i never answered samsara question right away yet about her entirely different question i was asked ? Read what i said to samsara i said no trick questions just so i dont get dragged into a endless debate/argument with others here and see? here u are trying to bait me into arguing with u about something else! Sorry shining i wont do it! Why not debate/argue your question about souls with hunny? Seems to me hunny will be happy to debate the subject with u!

Samsara:

Shining Brow: Very interesting answer!

Cub:  “Why do you ask?”

Will the reason determine whether you believe foetuses have souls? Why can’t you answer honestly? If you believe foetuses have souls, why not say “Yes”? Just like a Chinese person, you are trying to determine why I want to know something before you choose a convenient, circuitous, dishonest response.

As for me – I don’t believe anything has a soul. Because we have consciousness and feelings (we experience things like levity, guilt, etc.), and those things seem to be centred within our physical body but don’t have a physical form, we construe them as a soul.

cub:

ok samsara, how long u been on ECC? If not long then u will find out that if u ask any question u will get bored trolls here ready to attack u to chalenge u to twist your words/questions around use them against u to accuse u to call u names AND to ask u a question as a trick question to try to goad u then for days argue debate forever on whatever subject u asked wanting a answer No,samsara im not accusing u of this im just being cautious and careful of whomever asks me questions So to say im not being honest because i havent answered u yet isnt correct I asked u why u wanted to know if i believed this because i wanted to see if u are legit not trying to bait or trick me so i can be bashed because my belief or answer ok? My reply wasnt a dishonest reply, it wasnt a reply at all But to answer u thin i say ''yes'' unborn babies do have souls No, u cant see physically a soul just like u cant see the air or gravity love hate nobody can physically see them but we all know they exist we need them cant live without them See, man goes by sight only and when u cant physically see God satan a soul love hate it means according to man limited minds they dont exist! A soul is what a human gets at conception its life from God Animals dont have a soul Are animals sorry they killed another animal? no Where do u think a consciousness feelings of guilt remorse come from? Animals dont have these that is what separates humans from animals God gave us humans a soul so when we physically die our sould will still live never die A soul either goes to heaven or hell no pergatory like catholics believe no 2nd chance after u die There is a certain age of accountability humans get to after they are born as children This is they know right from wrong good from evil they are now old enough to understand these things! What age does a child have to be to this age of accountability? There is no set age all kids mature slower faster then others so it depends but only God knows Before a child a baby gets to the age of accountability and this child dies as in a miscarriage a abortion a accident disease any type of death they go to heaven because they havent sinned knew know sin or evil had no chance to choose life or death So to answer your question yes, unborn babies from conception to the age of accountability do have a soul! Can i prove it? no but can u disprove it? again no! So i will believe in what i believe and u believe in what you believe in ok Samsara? PS, that goes for u too shining!

hunny797:

@cub..  I believe in God (more or less just like you). I believe in soul (more or less just like you) But there are somethings we don't have in common.. for eg about animals. So I will just ask you what's relevant.. you say animals don't have souls and you give examples of feeling sorry when they kill other animals etc.. Well, not a good point my friend, rather it supports my view, so THANK YOU. what happens when a female animal sees that her new born baby has died or what happens when someone tries to steal the new born animals from their mothers?? take a wild wild guess.. yeah..you're right. Animals show feelings. they have love for one of their own, they have hatred for their enemies. These feelings prove my point cub...they have souls which can feel fear, love, hatred. They even cry.

hunny797:

@ shining and Samsara.. Souls do exist. I can discuss the questions raised by Shining.. But is this the correct forum to discuss these topics?? come on..can't you see the more important topic "What's wrong with those Americans" this needs to be discovered first.. LOL

cub:

hunny, animals ACT on instinct survival instincts! This is NOT feelings that is called nature! God gave animals a survival to save protect as a instinct a action Souls have nothing to do with feelings because souls are eternal never die! Man was to be in charge a caretaker of the animals! Hunny Adam named all every animal All animals have a porpose Man was created by God to conversate talk with God untill Adam disobeyed God then sin came into the world Even nature and animals changed because Adam sinned So trying to equate animals as equal to man is a diservice to God because God put man above having dominion over animals by giving man a soul a eternal soul that will never die after the physical body dies! Animals when they die go back to dust they have no souls they dont go to heaven or hell like man will Animals cant worship God like man can Animals cant talk cant be saved born again or ask for forgiveness to God for sins! Even angels hae no souls they were created by God Humans man try to connect equate animal behavour comparing it to human behaviour[crying hate love fear! Do trees earth have feelings pain love hate cry too? Do they have a sould like some think they do? No of course not, they are inanimate they live and die yes But they have no souls! If animals have souls then what good is this to God? Animals cant talk or worship him God made man his creation for worshiping God as a companion God made man in his own image below him Even the angels are lower than man Nowhere are animals included into this! So hunny u tell me where in the bible that God gave animals the earth trees rocks souls ok? Please find a scripture chapter verse where God gave animals a soul and they are equall important as a man i will wait

hunny797:

Good for you Cub, your wait is very short lived….you say:” tell me where in the bible that God gave animals the earth trees rocks souls ok? Please find a scripture chapter verse where God gave animals a soul and they are equall important as a man i will wait” God says: I said in my heart with regard to the children of man that God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but beasts. For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity. 20 All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return. 21 Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth? 22 So I saw that there is nothing better than that a man should rejoice in his work, for that is his lot. Who can bring him to see what will be after him? Ecclesiastes 3:19-22 

You say: “1. trying to equate animals as equal to man is a disservice to God because God put man above having dominion over animals by giving man a soul.” God says: “1. Men are also beasts (animals) 2. Man has no advantage over the beasts. 3. Who can say for sure that man is better than animals.”

You say man has souls animals don’t. God says beasts also have spirit just like man has spirit. There is no difference in them. Now cub, my questions to you. Question A. You say both are not equal. Book says both are equal. Who should I follow? Question B: Book says who knows whether the spirit of man…(the whole verse)…..etc. If your English is poor let me explain that in other words it can be said that God is saying who can dare say such a thing.. I can’t say cub. Can you?

P.S Cub.. the beginning of verse 19 says God is testing them.. Means those who consider themselves superior to animals are failing this test very badly. That list includes you cub.

cub:

hunny yes man and animals have a spirit did i say they didnt? no Was i talking about thier spirits if either has or hasnt one? Again no We were taking about if either has a soul ok? vs 20 says both go to the same place yes they both physically die and thier bodies go back to the dust where both were formed from vs 21 is saying nobody knows if the soul goes up[heaven] or down[hell] only God knows this Man is a beast but not a animal type of beast Beast is as in beast in sin acting like a animal no remorse no sorrow no love no morals depending on himself vs 22 is man rejoicing of himself by his own works not rejoicing God giving God all the praise and credit not himself [pride] All works by man without God being a part is mans lot nobody can bring a man to see where he is going [heaven] or [hell] Man needs to know that in sin without God he is lost and spiritually blind! And man has the choice a free will to choose vs 19 is a test yes but God is showing that man lost in sin without God will be like animals no morals will die lost go to hell But animals also die but with no souls they die dont go to heaven or hell Hunny there is a debt to pay for sin its called death and hell lost separated from God for eternity the soul goes to hell forever by man rejecting God and dying There is a hell its real now what good would it do for animals if they had a soul [they dont] to go to hell? When God made Adam he breathed into his nostrils directly giving Adam a man life a little part of God [which is life] is within him now and thats his soul! God created the animals by speaking them into existence not by breathing life into the animal! There is your differences Man has a soul because God his creator breathed directly into man giving him a soul and life God gave anmals life not by breathing into them but by speaking them into existence like he did the earth world planets universe! So yes, God made man above animals and man without God lost in sin act like animals!

Samsara:

Cub:

"Before a child a baby gets to the age of accountability and this child dies as in a miscarriage a abortion a accident disease any type of death they go to heaven because they havent sinned knew know sin or evil had no chance to choose life or death"

So, by aborting foetuses we are sending them to Heaven. GREAT!

If I have the power to choose whether a soul will A) live in Heaven eternally, or B) have a significant chance of discovering sin then going to Hell, I will choose the former.

cub:

samsara u made a wise choice! But u do have the power and u do have a choice because God gave every human a free will a choice to either sin reject God when u die as a sinner your soul goes to hell Or acept God/Jesus ask for forgiveness get saved born again and when u die your soul goes to heaven Yes of course this is after the age of accountability!

Samsara:

So the rational choice is to help out as many babies as possible by killing them, then repent and go to Heaven.

Lets say you kill a hundred babies. Even if God sees through your insincere plea for forgiveness and says "No", that's still a >99% rate of souls saved. Which is MUCH better than if you had let those babies live.

MUST ABORT MORE BABIES

cub:

sansara i hope u are joking about killing babies ok? First of all why would u want to kill babies? Killing is death a result of sin Babies alive allowed to live is life! Why choose death over life? Dont life living mean anything or is valuable any more? How is murdering babies snuffing thier lives out ''helping'' them? Sorry samsara u dont make any sense! And using forgiveness repenting as a escape from going to hell from murdering babies after wont work either!

Samsara:

If I don't kill those babies, a significant number of them will grow up, do sinful things, and go to Hell. By killing them, I can GUARANTEE they will all go to Heaven.

cub:

samsara, u assume too much in thinking u are saving babies from growing up and dying as sinners then going to hell! How do u know how many grow up get saved from sin asking God for forgiveness then if they die they go to heaven? No samsara, killing unborn babies for that reason dont make any sense! Kiling babies is a sin problem of whomever kills these babies Also since 1973 babies are called blobs cells fetusus not babies as they are to sugarcoat the violence hate that happens when a unborn humans life is snuffed out Sin is death Sin ends in death So life for a unborn baby is worthless valuless! Now 42 years later 50 plus million abortions later have u noticed how life is considered worthless it ont mean anything any more? Satan wants to kill steal and destroy mankind he hates God Satan is death dying Sin is a power over sinfull man and satan uses sinful lost man to carry out sinful evil actions! So no samsara u are not doing the unborn babies any favors by killing them! Let them be born grow up and whatever choice they choose satan or God good or evil heaven or hell is thier free will thier choice ok? Your role any mans role isnt to act like God be God ok? Just give life a chance

Samsara:

Maths isn't your field, is it...

Scenario #1: 100 souls go to Heaven.

Scenario #2: A number of those souls go to Heaven. A number of those souls go to Hell.

What you are suggesting (letting the foetuses grow up) will result in a significant number of souls suffering in Hell FOR ETERNITY. I simply am not that evil.

cub:

samsara, do u like to argue? Let me start from the top ok? Firstly u mentioned 100 unborn babies maybe as a example i guess right? OK if u kill these 100 unborn babies or even after they are alowed to live and they die before thier age of accountability are and this will vary Yes ALL 100 will go to heaven not some but ALL 100 But its AFTER these unborn babies are allowed to LIVE which means LIFE not DEATH and they are old enough to understand [age of accountability] about sin right from wrong and if any die be it a accident disease sickness and understand about right and wrong good and evil God and satan and have asked God to forgive them because ALL humans are born in sin are sinners they are the ones their souls go to heaven after they die! Again the age of accountability varies from child to child its them understanding knowing they are sinners without God then asking Jesus in thier hearts to forgive them thats all! BEFORE they get to this age of accountability dont know or understand this [usually before they are able to talk] and if they die then their souls go to heaven Look, there comes a time in each persons life that they know right from wrong are old enough to comprehend this after they are born They are taught this by their parents hopefully As christian parents know about heaven and hell good and evil satan and God right from wrong [the bible teaches this btw] they teach their kids this from what the bible says [Gods word] So to correct u about my math Its not up to u or me or any other man to whom decides whom dies or lives! Either before a baby is born or after they are born grow up ok? All each person born has the freedom to choose[free will] if they serve satan sin and are lost separated from God now because sin separates man from God, dont repent ask for forgiveness reject God continue in sin and they die their soul goes to hell they were responsible they chose this path nobody forced them it was their choice They have nobody else to blame but thierselves ok? But if all each person recognizes they are a sinner born into sin know about and believe in God accepts his plan of salvation Then asks God for forgiveness repent of their sins get saved born again then after they die thier soul will go to heaven! So sansara u or i dont have the right to decide who dies or lives either by abortion [murder] before ababy is born or murder after they are born! So let them have the chance to be born and live grow up like u have been given [but dont apreciate life] taking it for granted Let THEM decide how they want to live their lives either as sinners on their way to hell OR as a saved person who believes in God/Jesus ok? Agan thats THEIR choice[free will] u have it u decide what path u take so give them a chance dont murder them by abortion just to try to save them from whatever life and choice they choose ok? God knows in advance in the future how each person will end up either hell or heaven saved or lost before they are born And God wont force people to accept him be saved[free will] Now there are times he will alllow satan some leeway to test people by removing some of his protection even christians have this happen to test see if they believe and trust God 100% Tests like this strengthens a christians faith in God Samsara unless u have a crystal ball can see in the future of if a unborn baby will be allowed to be born to live grow up to sin or not To be saved die thier soul going to heaven Or to see if they reect God die lost unsaved as a sinner their soul goes to hell for eternity that is THEIR business THEIR CHOICE not YOURS to decide ok? Here is a example of how your scenario is ok? You say kill all unborn babies before they are born knowing God will take them to heaven because hey, any number of these unborn babies will sin become sinners die go to hell for eternity because they MIGHT be murderers MIGHT be rapists MIGHT be alcaholics drug addicts Might be a bad person! See how this goes samsara? What if NONE of these unborn babies do these things become these types of people? Who left man as God? Ever since Adam and Eve in the garden of eden they were decieved by satan by satan asking them, ''go ahead eat of the tree of good and evil and u will be like God!'' sound familiar samsara? Man has tried to be as God become God ever since then in any way!

cub:

samsara, why not let all unborn babies get born live grow up and let THEM decide THEY choose [free will]] which path [heaven or hell] they decide to go ok? Its none of our business yours mine which way they decide Yes we can tell them point the way say there is only 2 choices 2 ways 2 paths but not force them ok? Thats all a christian can and should do ok? The rest is up to the individual to choose! Samsara, what is to stop u by murdering all unborn babies knowing they will go to heaven never suffer just because they MIGHT be born grow up be a sinner die thier soul going to hell because they might end up being a murderer rapist thief molester serial killer a dictator? Do u have a crystal ball knowing how in the future they will turn out? What if NONE of these people u murdered before being born will do these things be like this? Are u willing to bet your future and future lives on these assumptions samsara? For some reason someone thought your life allowing u to be born live grow up was worth something samsara! Who gives a man the right to murder unborn babies just because they MIGHT be bad? And knowing they will go to heaven lets murder these unborn babies because they MIGHT be bad after they grow up die lost go to hell for eternity and suffer? Thats a very weak excuse to use to justfy murdering unborn babies! How about let them be born grow up and let THEM choose which path they want to go [free will] ok? Worry about your own life make sure where your soul is headed going to after u die

Samsara:

“God knows in advance in the future how each person will end up either hell or heaven saved or lost before they are born”

Which means free will is an illusion. Humans' “decisions” have already been decided. Saying humans have a choice – which God has already determined – is a bit dishonest.

God created the universe, knowing exactly which humans would go to Hell: Almost all of them, by your criteria. God is intensely evil. He has condemned countless souls to eternal suffering, knowing before they took his already decided “test” that they would go to Hell. The suffering he has willfully created is far beyond the magnitude of any suffering created by humans. What an asshole.

By the way - Why do you judge rapists and murderers? They are just carrying out the actions that God designed. God designed the universe in such a way that these people would rape and murder, then go to Hell. What a motherfucker.

cub:

samsara, call God that name again and im through discussing this subject any more with u ok? First of all God has NOTHING at all to do with ANYtype of sin God hates sin he hates satan because sin separates his creation,man from God! God knows the future yes but he gave mankind this free will to be free to choose which path men will take Also God sent his only son Jesus to become a perfect[sinnless] sacrifice to die on the cross to take away the power of sin that satan had a hold over man when Adam and Eve disobeyed God Yes God knows the future but man now has a choice to choose between God accepting him or reject God and now satan is his master Saying God designed man to sin is ignorant of u samsara Why are u not cursing satan blaming him on all evil men do in this world? Why blame God on everything bad and evil? Satan is whom u should be blaming whatever bad things happen in this world including sin! Adam and Eve blew it when they disobeyed God and sinned Satan now controlled man had power over him Satan hated God he thought now he had man! But being God knew the future he had it to he sent his son Jesus who knew no sin he was perfect God demanded a perfect sinless sacrifice to be offered to pay sins debt to not just cover sin like animal sacrifices did but to take away sin and satans power! Now we can be saved born again after we ask repent of our sins and only through Jesus can we go through being covered by his shed blood can man be forgiven go to heaven! Rapists and murderers are sinners God has nothing to do with them because their sins separates them from God they are lost unsaved So no,God didnt design them it is satan and sin their choices to live sinfully so stop blaming God ok? Sure God knows whom will reject or accept him but he will never force them either way! The only ''suffering'' that God allowed to happen was when he sent his only son Jesus to die on a cross to save mankind that wasnt even born yet in the future! God hates any type of suffering pain but all this is a caused by sin! Man has just 2 choices God wont force either way thats why he gave man this free will or the choice to choose! God never has never will send men to hell because man has this freedom a power to choose where his soul will end in eternity! So its MAN who sends himself to hell by rejecting God living in sin lost and thats mans choice where he will go! If Ggod is so evil and unjust then why did he send his only son Jesus to earth to die so man can be saved if man accepts him? IF God hated man was evil knowing in the future whom would reject or accept him he then would had never sent his only son Jesus to save man from hell pay sins debt to redeem a repentant man from ending up in hell! Sending Jesus to suffer and die on a cross was Gods ultimate sacrifice! Now samsara u just called God two profane vulgar names so what in u made u do this? U havent even met or know or even believe in God What is inside a person that makes them curse someone or blame all bad things all evil on who they dont believe in or believes he exists? Samsara why not curse satan blame him and sin for all the suffering evil disease pain death bad things going on in the world? After all satan is a deciever he wants to kill steal and destroy! if u dont believe in a satan or a hell then u cant believe in a God or a heaven either! Man cant serve 2 masters at once he will serve God only OR he will serve satan! Neither one wants nothing to do with the other they are not compatible

Samsara:

So... God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and everywhere. He created everything, including Satan, temptation, and humans' propensity for sin, knowing exactly what would happen (including innumerable humans burning in Hell). But somehow he isn't responsible for those things. Hmmmmmm.

cub:

ok samsara u have had your say and i know your stance on the issue but calling God profane names show me where your heart is about him and like i said before calling God the names u did and now did again would end the discussion on this subject between u and me So u have made up your mind made your choice and good luck! Im done talking to u about this subject

ambivalentmace:

this is a very late reply to your discussion above, but i grew up the religious norms of american culture and understand your thought process and use to believe all of it, but when you have seen the suffering in africa that i have seen, you understand the movie line in blood diamonds "god forgot africa a long time ago", you ask why and there is no answer, then you come to china and see people getting rich off the destruction of the middle class in america in grand social scheme to make these people selfish and materialistic and more interested in money than fighting, from nixon to now it was a great plan and it worked. china will never be a real threat to america, but seeing 300 million abortion have been done in china since 1979, and girls still think they should be virgins for marriage, and teenage mothers is nonexistent, these opposing moral values in a country with no religion and a god allows this to continue with no punishment, you start to doubt the all seeing eye belief and give up on the idea completely.

i dont believe america is such a great place because we have strong religions and beliefs and the rest of the world does not, its a good argument and has some strong evidence to support it, but if god only blesses america and ignores the suffering of the world and i have been to every country in the world, then sadly i conclude that god is a racist.

cub:

hey uniglo, how can they solve your problem when they are part of the problem? Remember, ECC is for gossiping and personal good old fashioned hate!