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Q: Where does it say you need two years working experience for a Z visa?

What kind of requirement is that?

 

I am looking all over the embassy page and can't find any info on that.

 

Nor does it have a "date of graduation" on the visa application forms

 

Any offical visa issuing regulations showing this?

10 years 37 weeks ago in  Visa & Legalities - China

 
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You will not find it listed per se under the requirements, but it is there.  The 2 years work experience is not a new change, it is just one being implemented now (and overlooked previously).  In reality is a requirement of the Work Bureau where you will get the "Foreign Expert Certification".  Without that and a BS degree, and the letter indicating the company that hires you is approved to hire foreigners, plus all other written requirements, you will not get the visa.

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I recollect it being brought in about 2 years ago to stop foreigners aged 20 or 21 getting teaching positions because they couldn't have gotten a university degree and worked 2 years by that age. Basically the PSB/FEC didn't want people aged under about 23 to 25. Now it's listed in nearly every teaching ad.

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Happy, you sound like me. Cali. happy is right but you may apply for a well-established training school which has connections and you would be fine.

Traveler:

Yes. They will just ignore the new laws for you.

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Techezze: as VP of Manufacturing of a company back in USA, with branches in Puerto Rico, Mexico and Dominican Republic, I had a lot of meetings with many different lawyers, and I learned from them many things, like understanding laws and regulations, and not acting like a salmon swimming against the current. Coming from a lawyer, thanks for your praise in saying that I sound like you.

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No Traveler, the law was established for higher education in real schools, this does not cover training schools where you teach kids how to sing and dance and be an all around monkey. Better he be legal instead of coming on an L visa and being like 90% of expats in China

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Can you get the two years work experience during college?

 

Or does it HAVE to be after?

Traveler:

It says post-graduation work experience.

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Come on guys, do not be haters, we all hate illegals but Cali is trying to go about it the correct way, truth be told, I seriously doubt any of the ESL teachers had two years of ESL experience before coming to China, most ESL teachers I know began their ESL experience in China, besides, it is oral English people, I have never taught but I am guessing that teaching kids how to speak in your mother language cannot be as difficult as, lets say, engineering, or bantering with Chinese wanting to immigrate without necessary funds for investment, or 70 year old men wanting K1&2 visas for their 20 year old girlfriends/wives, yes, this happens, had an American in here yesterday afternoon in his late 60's wanting to know more information on the K2 process because his 20 year old wife was denied during the P4, (The Face to Face Interview). Of course, this could never be a marriage of convenience. Don't vent your BCD's on this guy, we all know it is difficult with the new laws now, for every one. Happy, your welcome, of course with age comes wisdom and your posts are by far the most complex works of art I typically read, your still in Guangzhou with your Bar & Grill? Hope everything is going well in that department.

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techezee, you are showing a remarkable lack of knowledge in just what is involved in teaching languages correctly. Being a native level (note I said native LEVEL not native per se)  speaker is absolutely the LEAST requirement. Teaching (proper teaching) is a heck of a lot more than that. What you just said is the equivalent of - "how hard can engineering be, it's only building." or "how hard can banking be it's only saving money."

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I posted this in a previous post, but the requirements (including the 'two year experience' rule) are translated here:

 

http://middlekingdomlife.com/guide/qualifications-teaching-english.htm

 

 

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Sorry Hugh, it isn't my line of work, I understand your point but have been on this site for almost three years, it seems that even if you are a brilliant professor of language it is more of a dog and pony show for the Chinese, no offense to any ESL teacher, really, just stating that this young man is at least trying to do the right thing, you have to give him props for that.

Hugh.G.Rection:

No offense at all, you are in part correct, but in my own small way I'm trying to change that and have been given an opportunity to do so. I have been appointed as Director of Teaching in my training centre specifically to introduce 'western methods' to the teaching staff.

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I may be stupid or something but I dont see where it requires it be POST-graduate education on there Hugh.

Hugh.G.Rection:

It doesn't specifically say so, anywhere in the translation but as always in China there are two problems:

 

1. Some ideas and words don't translate perfectly hence the accuracy of the translation can be a problem.

2. Interpretation of the meaning, this is widely varied in China.

 

Most places I have heard of have taken this line:

 

""should hold a minimum of a bachelor's degree and more than two years of experience."

To mean two years of experience teaching WITH a bachelor's degree. Of course this is open to interpretation and if you have two years experience teaching prior to gaining your degree I would imagine most places would only too happily accept that, especially as qualified native-level teachers are getting harder to find.

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Guys this two year rule is very rule, it comes from the Labor department, that is where you get your expert certificate and renewed ("stamped" every year before going to the PSB.)

 

The Labor department checks for your 2 years of working visa's from China or other countries that can be proven that they were in fact teaching jobs, such as: E1 & E2 visa's from South Korea, or Taiwan working visa's can be proven that they we teaching visa's because of the letter of release and other documents.

 

And the labor department will also Check your Degree and TEFL, CELTA, TESOL in person and shine a light on to check for watermarks to make sure its real.

 

All this also goes for changing jobs as well.

 

6 years in China with legal working visa's, Ive done all this so many times. Take my word.

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