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Q: Whose know why US want to ban TikTok?

Whose know the real reason why US want to ban TikTok ? US can create another Apps ThinkTalk to substitute TikTok instead of banning the Apps.

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Why US has to allow TikTok since Facebook, youtube, Twitter, google are banned in China long before?

Ban google from China is the most stupid thing, most business are on google! You can go on google to find a lot of clients!
Ie, China ban themselves from the rest of the world!
I can see most Chinese's social behavior are weird compares to people from the rest of the world! Brain damage from self isolation!!!

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I have no idea if this is true or just an urban myth but I read somewhere the guy in charge of internet, propaganda etc in China googled his name one day, was shocked at all the presumably negative or incriminating information about him online and blocked Google almost immediately.

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... 'cause US wants to prevent mainland Chinese practice English for free ... 

... 'cause it's Chinese app. .. 

 

Why China banned FB, Reuters, NYT  and others ... long years ago?

You didn't file any complains at e-Tities as I remember ...

 

You see-ee ... it's called 'tit-4-tit' ... and my tits are larger ..., everybody here knows that! ... 

 

Any US excuse for the latest ban is good ...

 

https://news.yahoo.com/should-the-us-ban-tik-tok-over-security-concerns-...

Should the U.S. ban TikTok over security concerns?

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trump-admin-mulls-tiktok-ban-sino...

White House Weighs TikTok Ban As Worries About CCP Infiltration Intensify

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/white-house-looking-banning-tikto...

DoJ, FTC Investigating TikTok Over Child Privacy Violations

 

https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3094132/tiktok-new-chinese-...

TikTok is the new Chinese threat to US national security

icnif77:

See this 'why' ... 10' video by Financial Times ...

 

https://www.ft.com/video/97ffdb6f-2002-41b8-a7ff-8f40cdb3b1d2

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Tiktok/Douyin lowers a Human's IQ. Just look at someone watching it as drool runs from the corner of their mouth and how they loose the ability to speak, pay attention for more than one minute and to have any manners.

Vacuous junk created by vacuous untalented morons.

In short tiktok sucks and is a scourge on humanity. Good riddance. It's the first piece of good news in 2020.

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Woow, no more Chinese show-offing with the i-Phone ...

 

Beijing warns that Chinese consumers may BOYCOTT Apple if US goes through with WeChat ban

Beijing warns that Chinese consumers may BOYCOTT Apple if US goes through with WeChat ban

Chinese citizens could soon abandon their iPhones for good if Washington bans popular messaging app WeChat, Beijing has warned, pointing to survey data showing most consumers are ready to ditch Apple. 

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Zoom must be much better ...

 

Ultimate Zoom disaster: Philippines government official loses job after video meeting sex romp with secretary

Ultimate Zoom disaster: Philippines government official loses job after video meeting sex romp with secretary

In one of the greatest Zoom fails of the entire coronavirus pandemic, a government official in the Philippines has been booted from his job after being caught having sex with his secretary during an online conference call.

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Chinese will never boycott apple products. An iPhone is the symbol of success.

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They'll need to make an expensive Huawei ... to preserve national unity ...

I'd say, Chinese i-Phone users will be considered enemies.

If I would be in China ... make your exit plan .. This western decoupling will never stop ..., IMO.

 

I read a report today posted in Global Times how they (PLA) expelled US destroyer from Chinese territorial waters (SCS) and US Military replied ...

 

China Military Claims It Expelled US Destroyer From Its Territorial Waters, US Military Counters This Is Fake News

When the US and Chinese militaries start accusing each other of spreading fake news, it's about to get serious.

 

Chinese sketched 9-dash line, which isn't internationally recognized ... and US uses "freedom of navigation", i.e. "Fcuk-you, just 'cause you're big ..."

 

 

RT knows about jandals ... have a look at the pic... It looks like G-Tech HD with my left jandal over it ... 

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haha,,, guy left that Zoom on on purpose!  Exhibitionist!   just didn't think they react like that and fire him?  he had other enemies for other reasons.....  haha

 

remindes me of George (Seinfeld),,,  haha he gives the office cleaning lady a sound Rogering on his office desk one evening,,, next day he's busted talking to bos,,,,  haha his response is brilliant....  he's like ,,, 'was that wrong?'  'was that wrong?'  'If I had known that was wrong and we weren't supposed to do that....',,, 'no one ever told me'''.  haha,,, u have to see it... classic.

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Yeah, I can just imagine George ... from your writing. I might also saw it ... he could use any excuse to clear himself of any stupid-doings.

 

The guy on Zoom ... he was/is apparently non-technical guy. He didn't know how to manage/turn-on/off Zoom per article. You have to read it ..., but it looks it really happened by mistake ... and guy was streaming his shag to other busy  people in the gov. building unknowingly.

He was serious guy, some kind of under-boss ... I mean, if I would do that, you could say I did it intentionally ... 

RT always has some funny real happenings ...

No. 1 = Rhino's enforcing lock-down in Nepal (Chitral Valley); No. 2 = Office shag over gov. Zoom; No. 3 = Chocolate rain in Switzerland ... 'cause of malfunction in city's chocolate factory chimney.

I post no. 3 at Sandnose Coffee thread ...

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Why US has to allow TikTok since Facebook, youtube, Twitter, google are banned in China long before?

Ban google from China is the most stupid thing, most business are on google! You can go on google to find a lot of clients!
Ie, China ban themselves from the rest of the world!
I can see most Chinese's social behavior are weird compares to people from the rest of the world! Brain damage from self isolation!!!

Stiggs:

I have no idea if this is true or just an urban myth but I read somewhere the guy in charge of internet, propaganda etc in China googled his name one day, was shocked at all the presumably negative or incriminating information about him online and blocked Google almost immediately.

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Plain and simple....What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. 

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The real reason for US Tik-Tok ban is proprietary software in Tik-Tok ... it's an algorithm, which determines user's needs and behaviour through the website. Similar algorithms are used at other websites to sniff out user's preferences and respond with appropriate adverts (pop-ups) and similar.

 

https://social.techjunkie.com/how-does-the-tik-tok-algorithm-work/

 

"Tik Tok brings the social media app experience to a new level. It is not revolving only around the content posted by your friends or the people you follow, like Instagram or Facebook. When you launch the app you are not immediately going to see what your friends post. Instead, you will see the “For You” page."

 

Such algorithm is secretive, so US planned to buy Tik-Tok or ban. US wants to have a look at the algorithm and China won't let them ...

 

Chinese widely use such an algorithms everywhere at Chinese web. It started with the monitoring of citizens in Xinjiang through the street cameras (2012), where gov. can detect many other things beside the identity ..., so US gov. is concerned at such scanning of US citizens.

 

This ban of Chinese app. is just the beginning ... of Internet based bans.

 

https://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2019/11/the-tiktok-algorithm-how-it-work....

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White House Plans To Target More Chinese Tech Firms After TikTok, WeChat, Navarro Warns

"What I can say to the American people is that it's critical that this country not use apps that are made in China or can take our data and move it to servers in China". 

Navarro warned that user data gleaned from apps like TikTok and WeChat can be used to "surveil, monitor and track" Americans.

"What I can say to the American people is that it's critical that this country not use apps that are made in China or can take our data and move it to servers in China".

"It will be used to steal your passwords, it will be used - in some cases - to blackmail or extort you," he added.

"That's the policy position underlying why we have gone after TikTok and WeChat, and there will be others because China...is basically going out around the world trying to acquire technology and influence."

Navarro even suggested that TikTok's widely praised content-feeding algorithm, credited with the hyper-addictive experience TikTok serves to users, was rooted in AI technology stolen by Chinese firms in the US, with most of the technology stolen from the biggest Silicon Valley giants.

"AI is just critical and a lot of the AI that China now has came from 2 American companies - Google and Microsoft - now we have the typical situation where China grabs content from us and now they're restricting it," Navarro said.

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The justification is simple,The US does not want power other than himself.China is the biggest obstacle to the USA's desire to become the world's gendarme.US deep forces,  wants to stop in every field of china.This is why Tik Tok and Huawei intolerance.

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The bigger question is. Why does Trump want to ban TikTok? It seems to be just his kind of app, you girls dancing and stuff. 

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I feel like it was only month ago when Russia, or China, did try to ban some US social network, and what the outcry was back then ...

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Oh, do tell. Which app was that?

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US conspiracy, western propaganda to smear China

Sandnose:

Could you explain what the American conspiracy is please?

You appear to imply that "the West" has conspired together (when they can't agree on anything else) to create a unified system and set of protocols specifically to make china look bad. Not only does that seem implausible and impossible to manage but China has needed no help to look bad in 2020. It's like it is trying its hardest to piss off and alienate each sector of the world.

Do you have some paranoid delusions or are you just echoing the slogans you have learned?

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Construction of new 'Great Wall ...'

Trump-a: "I'll ban everything & everybody ..."

 

"In Complete Shock": China's Lead Chip Maker Denies PLA Military Ties As Trump Mulls Blacklisting

Chinese industry leaders recently warned of devastation: “The entire chip industry is too fragile to defend itself. We are at least 20 years behind compared to Silicon Valley...

 

Executives of Chinese companies which produce chips  vital in every device that stores data from computers to mobile phones to barcode scanners — are increasingly worried their industry is next on the Trump sanctions hit list, also after widespread reports that Beijing plans to in desperation ramp up its lagging domestic semiconductor development over the next decade as continued outside access to the most advanced chips looks increasingly in doubt.

Some are speaking out, attempting to make crystal clear to Washington that they are not puppets of either the Chinese state or PLA military. The country's largest and leading homegrown chipmaker, Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp. (SMIC), is vehemently denying its technology is for military use after Reuters on Friday said Trump is mulling adding the publicly traded company to a US blacklist.

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Epoch Times ... with leaked document on why no mor Tik-Tok ...

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/leaked-document-reveals-how-ccp-u...

 

Leaked Document Reveals How CCP Uses ByteDance-Owned App To Spread Propaganda

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Trump-a is holding you ...  by the balls ...

 

Trump Insists TikTok Sale Deadline Won't Be Extended

    It's the latest stalling tactic from the Chinese tech upstart...

     

     

    Update (1850ET): Just hours after White House sources reportedly suggested that the Trump Administration was weighing whether to give ByteDance another extension on the now-Sept. 15 deadline for a sale of TikTok's US business to an American entity, Trump said during a Thursday press conference.

     

    "We’ll either close up TikTok in this country for security reasons, or it will be sold," Trump told reporters Thursday before boarding the presidential aircraft for a campaign trip to Michigan. "There will be no extension of the TikTok deadline."

     

    We await the flurry of anonymously sourced reports advising that a deal to extend the deadline in exchange for some window-dressing, face-saving compromise has purportedly been reached.

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    Beijing Says TikTok's Algorithm "Not For Sale" As Deadline Looms

    “The company [ByteDance] will not hand out source code to any US buyer, but the technology team of TikTok in the US can develop a new algorithm..."

     

    As both ByteDance and Washington dig in their heels in a dispute over a potential sale of TikTok's US-focused business, the Chinese tech upstart has just sent out its latest trial balloon in what has become a rapidly escalating game of chicken: The SCMP, a paper with ties to the CCP, is reporting that TikTok's algorithm will not be sold to an American buyer.

    Any potential buyer could simply buy TikTok's US business, and build its own algorithm. But the TikTok algorithm uses advanced AI technology - technology that was recently included in a list of restricted assets that can't be sold to foreign buyers without state approval. Beijing has long opposed a deal, though initially it appeared that Beijing would tolerate a sale, at a premium, to be sure, so long as it's not a "smash and grab" rush job.

    Trump said Thursday that "we'll either close up TikTok in this country for security reasons, or it will be sold...there will be no extension of the TikTok deadline."

    Communist Party spokespeople have accused President Trump of trying to bully the company into a sale. Now, the SCMP is saying that the algorithm isn't for sale, but a western buyer could still purchase "the car, but not the engine."

    more ...

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    Hand over your IP as a condition for doing business in the country?

    "Absolutely unacceptable," says China ( the inventor of the concept). 

     

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    Sold ...

     

    Mnuchin Confirms CFIUS Will Issue Decision On Oracle-TikTok Deal In Coming Days

    "We did get a proposal over the weekend that includes Oracle as the trusted technology partner," Mnuchin said before clarifying that the deadline is Sept. 20.

     

     

     

    https://news.yahoo.com/tiktok-reaches-deal-oracle-001005063.html

    TikTok reaches deal with Oracle, rejects Microsoft as White House deadline looms

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    Will Tik-Tok be renamed to "Flip-Flop"  in USA. i.e. "Cotton-picking-minutes.."?

     

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/we-need-china-move-senator-proposes-stripping-chinas-most-favored-nation-status

     

    China itself is sending a not-so-subtle signal of its own that it wants Australia to move: or at least that’s the interpretation Down Under of the sudden move to declare that Aussie wheat exports are to be subject to enhanced scrutiny for phytosanitary standards: add them to beef and wine and barley, eh?, i.e. "AUD will move lower ..."

    The same can be said for the movement regarding US-China links (away from each other), and for China itself (inwards: it does not attempt to hide what it is doing, after all) - but it cannot be said for either Europe, or the UK.

     

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    The matter with Tik-Tok ban in USA is just a beginning 'cause Chinese by hosting data web pocessing Co.'s around the world collecting information about foreigner nationals around the world ... Brits and other western countries will prevent Chinese web hosting Co. access to users in Britain ... Huawei among others ..

    Chinese are engaging in special targeted warfare through the web ...

     

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-09-15/china-tracking-indian-citizens...

     

    Chinese phones being used to commit identity theft

    The Shenzhen based Zhenhua Data Information Technology prides itself on being a pioneer in making use of data for “hybrid warfare”—non-military warfare comprising of the political, economic, and technological aspects. The company has curated a global database comprising of “foreign targets”. The database information has been obtained from but not limited to web and social media platforms. The information has also been extracted from extensive research papers, articles, patents, and more.

    A source reportedly said to The Print, “Open source is not an issue. The issue comes when someone is tracking the IP address or getting information from the use of Chinese phones. This is a fear that has always been there and, hence, necessary directions were issued against use of certain Chinese products, including mobile phones”

    The individuals targeted by the company in India reportedly include President Ram Nath Kovind, Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Congress interim President Sonia Gandhi, Chief of Defense Staff Bipin Rawat, and at least 60 senior serving and retired officers of the military.

    The Indian Express has also claimed that the lengthy list includes state chief and cabinet ministers, mayors, sarpanches (village council heads), and legislators, at least 1,350 politicians and lawmakers. The statement said, “Top scientists across apex bodies for nuclear power, atomic energy, and space research were on the radar, too. As were industrialists Ratan Tata and Gautam Adani, startup entrepreneurs Nipun Mehra (founder of fintech app BharatPe), bureaucrats, judges, academicians, journalists, actors, sportspersons, religious figures, and activists. And even hundreds accused of financial crime, corruption, terrorism, and smuggling of narcotics, gold, arms or wildlife.”

    China is not ‘only’ tracking Indians

    Further investigations have revealed that India was not the only state that fell prey to Zhenhua. The Chinese technology firm, which counts the Chinese government and military among its clients, reportedly harvested the data of over 2.4 million people across India, the US, the UK, Australia Japan, Canada, Germany and the UAE. This is a massive breach of privacy and constitutes identity theft under laws enacted by most states.

    Christopher Balding, a Vietnam-based professor says, “The world is only at the beginning stages of understanding how much China invests in intelligence and influence operations using the type of raw data we have to understand their targets.”

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    https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/marco-rubio-sends-letter-trump-demanding-white-house-scrap-tiktok-deal

     

    "We remain opposed to any deal that would allow China-based or controlled entities to retain, control or modify the code or algorithms that operate any U.S.-based version of TikTok...strongly urge the Admin to reject such a proposal on national security grounds" letter said.

     

    The letter is the latest sign that opposition to the deal is growing in the GOP-controlled Senate. Rubio's letter follows a similar letter sent by his colleague Josh Hawley, another China hawk, who is concerned the company won't face nearly enough scrutiny. Hawley is advocating for a "clean break" between ByteDance and TikTok, something Beijing would, in all likelihood, never allow.

    According to Reuters, Rubio's letter specifically questioned whether Oracle's workarounds would be successful at safeguarding user data, and that "serious questions" remain. The letter is addressed to President Trump. The White House hasn't yet commented, but Trump has said he's happy with the deal, and is "a fan" of Oracle founder Larry Ellison. 

    Hawley also put forth a bill barring TikTok from being installed on all devices issued to federal employees.

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    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-slams-tiktok-deal-american-...

     

    The Trump Administration's skullduggery in trying to crush a competitor isn't just a problem for China. "A hegemonic country...cannot tolerate any country above it."

     

    Kyle Bass reminded us on Tuesday  that China's claims are simply more 'pot calling the kettle black'. By giving ByteDance a hard time, the Trump administration is essentially giving China a taste of its own medicine (foreign companies operating in Beijing are subjected to a host of controls, including forced partnerships with domestic entities), Bass argued.

     

    Still, the editorial continued: "China, which has gone through ups and downs, will not hide or turn a blind eye to difficulties and challenges, obstacles and variables, and will not panic or get confused. After the wind and rain, it is a rainbow. It has withstood the test again and again, and we will finally go through the wind and rain and usher in a better tomorrow."

    Gao Zhikai, a prominent former diplomat and translator, warned that the saga has sparked "complete disbelief" among Chinese leaders: "China wants to emphasize that the Chinese companies' legitimate rights cannot be violated without consequences." Others reminded the US of threats, leaked over the weekend, that Beijing might respond to the US's latest aggression by restricting trade, investment and visas for certain American companies by adding them to an "unreliable entities" list that Beijing used as a cudgel during the trade talks with Washington. This just further cements the impression that the TikTok-Oracle deal was just another "for show" agreement, like the 'Phase 1' trade deal.

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    China Complains Trump's TikTok Ban Violates WTO Rules

      Hear that? It's the world's tiniest violin...

       

       

      Reuters reports that during a closed-door meeting at the WTO involving representatives from both China and the US, China's representative complained that Trump's heavy handed tactics violate WTO trade rules.

      The fact that the White House hasn't produced any evidence that TikTok has transmitted private data on American users to Beijing - a claim that's central to the admin's argument for banning the app on "national security" grounds - shows that the administration is in the wrong.

      A representative for China said at the closed-door meeting on Friday that the measures “are clearly inconsistent with WTO rules, restrict cross-border trading services and violate the basic principles and objectives of the multilateral trading system,” a trade official familiar with the matter, who did not wish to be identified, said.

      The official said the delegate described the U.S. failure to provide concrete evidence of the reasons for its measures a “clear abuse” of rules.

      The US representative at the meeting pushed back.

      In the same meeting, the United States defended its actions, saying they are intended to mitigate national security risks, the trade official said. The government has previously said data from American users is being accessed by the Chinese government.

      The office of the U.S. Trade Representative had no immediate comment. An official at the Chinese mission to the WTO did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

      The Chinese statement will not have any consequences on its own although China could launch an official legal complaint about it to the Geneva body.

      While this doesn't necessarily mean that China will pursue another action against the US via the WTO if Trump doesn't drop his pursuit of TikTok, it's certainly a possibility. And it wouldn't be the first time China has manipulated the international trade body to Beijing's advantage.

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      Trump Signs Executive Order Banning Transactions With 8 Chinese Apps, Including Jack Ma's Alipayteaser image

      Trump - clearly intent on burning as many bridges with China as possible ahead in the next two weeks - signed an executive order banning transactions with 8 Chinese software applications including Ant Group's Alipay.

       

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      China banned Google, as China doesn't want all business/personal info to be on Google's database...

      U.S. bans Tik-tok, partly for the same reason, that's probably why U.S. says only if Tik-tok joins venture with Oracle...

      As for conspiracy theory enthusiasts talking about political influcences, (sigh) don't know what to say, I don't know what kinda political agenda there is behind a private owned Internet company...

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