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Q: Why are most private int'l schools ranked so low?

Most publicly available and published reports, assessments, and studies show that most private international schools - especially those for non-Chinese passport holders - consistently do poorly on various, quantifiable measure of performance (eg. standardized tests, such as IBDP, AP, A-level, Zhongkao, etc) and admission to top domestic and/or overseas universities.

 

With the exception of a few outliers, most such schools are consistently outperformed by their various domestic counterparts (eg. private int'l schools for Chinese passport holders, int'l divisions of public highschools, etc)

 

Why is this? Considering that a lack of financial resources is not one of the major weaknesses of such schools, would the problem owe to teacher characteristics (ie. qualifications, training, and/or pedagogy)  and/or the types of students that are admitted to such schools? Is that why students at most such schools do not perform well on the standardized tests and/or  do not receive univeristy admission offers that are on par with the students from "domestic schools"?

 

Considerting their performance on quantifiable measures, are such schools overcharging and under-delivering?

 

15 weeks 2 days ago in  General  - China

 
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Could you offer evidence to your claim by posting the web link in which you got this information. It might be useful for replying to better understand your question?

 

My personal experience is only linked to my school that I have been with for 7 years. We must be one of the outliers you referrred to as the majority of our students go on to American universities every year. Their TOEFL scores are relatively high. Three of our students this year scored between 116-118. SAT scores are pretty good too. They are high enough to get them into some of the top ranked universities in America. Granted, not all succeed. Most are average students. 90+% go on to American universities from our program. 

 

Our students are exempt from the Gao Kao, so our teachig style is note the rote, teach to the test style. We are focusing more on critical thinking skills, English language development, AP courses, and USA class requirements for graduation. As I mentioned, the majority of our students find their way to America through our program. 

 

I am proud of our expat team at our school. Out of six teachers, two have been with the program for 8 years, I have been there for 7 years, another teacher for four years, and the other two have stayed on for three years. All are expected to renew contracts this year. 

 

As I mentioned, I am not sure of your claims based on my personal experience. I would love to see where you got your information that prompted this evaluation you have made. Thanks.

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Just do a basic search. Even a cursory search will yield results, both in Chinese and in English.

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Could you offer evidence to your claim by posting the web link in which you got this information. It might be useful for replying to better understand your question?

 

My personal experience is only linked to my school that I have been with for 7 years. We must be one of the outliers you referrred to as the majority of our students go on to American universities every year. Their TOEFL scores are relatively high. Three of our students this year scored between 116-118. SAT scores are pretty good too. They are high enough to get them into some of the top ranked universities in America. Granted, not all succeed. Most are average students. 90+% go on to American universities from our program. 

 

Our students are exempt from the Gao Kao, so our teachig style is note the rote, teach to the test style. We are focusing more on critical thinking skills, English language development, AP courses, and USA class requirements for graduation. As I mentioned, the majority of our students find their way to America through our program. 

 

I am proud of our expat team at our school. Out of six teachers, two have been with the program for 8 years, I have been there for 7 years, another teacher for four years, and the other two have stayed on for three years. All are expected to renew contracts this year. 

 

As I mentioned, I am not sure of your claims based on my personal experience. I would love to see where you got your information that prompted this evaluation you have made. Thanks.

octavo:

Just do a basic search. Even a cursory search will yield results, both in Chinese and in English.

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Public schools have always outperformed private international schools on metric based evaluations and KPI charts.  That is a fact.  There's a reason the top public schools are seen as more pretigious and desirable than a private education.  Unfortunately there are also limited places and competition is incredibly fierce.

 

As such private IB and especially AP schools are often the fallback for 'good' but not 'cream of the crop' level students who have the means to pay.  These jobs also attract a similar level of teacher.  'Good' but not 'best of the best'.  Those employees tend to flock towards the aforementioned public jobs which come with more benefits, pay and social influence.

 

This phenomenon isn't unique to education.  Government jobs are the end game for most Chinese people.

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