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Q: why are westerners constantly trying to " blackball" Africans in China on the internet?

All this talk about discrimination and racism in China against black Africans. Yes there exists some ignorance on the Chinese perspective...but all this slander and backstabbing and cold stone hearted discrimination comes from the westerner( the white guys off course) but worse from the black westerners who prefer to align themselves with their "masters".....[In my experience]

 

Please tell me "sincerely" that we are all on the same boat

   

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...Troll?

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Or maybe someone who can't get a job because they're not a native English speaker.

 

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Troll? Noooo! I'm a hobbit. My name is Baginz...Bilbo Baginz Stiggs, here's an example: Or maybe someone who can't get a job because they're not a native English speaker.

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Could you provide some examples?

If you want people to understand, please help us here, you are being very general - most people would probably agree that generalisations are very unhelpful, especially if you are looking for support of some sort..

Stiggs:

Yeah, some examples would be useful, because I really can't think of any examples of westerners trying to 'blacklist' anyone, much less Africans. 

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one example, stiggs says: "Or maybe someone who can't get a job because they're not a native English speaker."

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so Chinese teacher hiring policy is the fault of the foreigners........

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Sorrell, who is talking about Chinese teachers?

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And im actually not whining bout the hiring process...you already assume i have no job because you presume im a black african...so you have quickly put me in a box

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Iron12.  I said it before in another thread, this one here...

 

http://answers.echinacities.com/question/why-does-chinese-people-do-not-recruit-africans-even-small-jobs-teachin

 

And I'll say it again. Get over yourself. You have a chip on your shoulder.

 

A white guy pointing out that the fact that an African (usually - TIC) isn't legally able to get a Z visa / RP because of Chinese visa law isn't "Westerners constantly trying to blackball Africans".

 

If you don't like the law -the law that's written and enforced by Chinese by the way - then why don't you go to the Chinese government and talk to them about it? Believe it or not, Westerners don't get much say in Chinese visa laws.

 

 

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Or maybe someone who can't get a job because they're not a native English speaker.

 

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Troll? Noooo! I'm a hobbit. My name is Baginz...Bilbo Baginz Stiggs, here's an example: Or maybe someone who can't get a job because they're not a native English speaker.

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after I quit, my school will replace me with two Pakistanis, who they'll pass off as an Ozzie and and American. Dark skin, imperfect speech, but I still hope they'll get a fair chance. I'm aware of the ordeal dark skinned people face here, due to prejudices and preferences.

I haven't seen much criticism of black people from the (predominantly male white?) forum users, except the occasional comment that most Africans can't be considered native English speakers. For the rest, we're all brothers "lost in translation".

This is where I go to comiserate with others who have stress from dealing with China. Diverse backgrounds contribute diverser opinions, so I'm usually happy to hear the meaningful opinion of a black guy, a woman, or even a local Chinese.

expatlife26:

Yeah I don't think I've seen anybody post that africans shouldn't be allowed to work here.

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Last time I saw the news, the most powerful man in the world was not white.

 

Yeah, white privilalige is a fact. An ugly racist fact. It's a money thing. It's a right wing thing.

 

But to the vast majority of people in the free world, skin colour does not count as worth a single flying fuck when they cast their ballot.

 

Nor does gender, or sexual orientation.

 

And for the record, no back stabbing goes on here. Heated arguments at times. They are fun.

 

This site is a non racist, no face, jovial at times... place for everyone of any nationality, no matter their  gender, colour, race, political view or sexual orientation.

 

We come here to answer questions. People need help at times. And we fill the space between questions with a bit of banter.

 

Ask a serious question dude...... trust me... you will get a serious answer.

Iron12:

well that sounds serious enough..surprise

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AS much as I really don't want to try to lend any form of credence to this thread in general, I really do disagree with you Scots.

 

"But to the vast majority of people in the free world, skin colour does not count as worth a single flying fuck when they cast their ballot."

 

I have no real idea why, but I'm going to assume you're referring to the US of A here... (and with a previous comment about the most powerful person in the world - who sure as fk isn't Obama!!!)

 

Oh so not true!!!! And we'll probably have the complete evidence we'll need at the next election. The percentage of voters/eligible voters increased a fair bit when Obama was first elected, and while as a Democrat running against Bush, he should have easily won said election, his skin colour did have an impact on voters when they cast their ballots. I think there would have been quite a healthy count of people who voted just for having the opportunity to see the first Black president in the US. Just like there will be many who will cast a vote for Hilary - just to be a part of the whole "I voted for the first female president in the US".

 

Many voted for Obama because they saw a black man - and therefore they thought he'd understand their plight better, and thus he'd be more on their side. From what I've read, I think they've lost that illusion now...

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You sound frustrated. Have a drink and try to focus on overcoming the hurdles instead of burying yourself in them.

 

This world has no sympathy for a whiner.

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truth

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Because you touch yourself at night, OP.

Iron12:

Now why do you assume that Mr Hulk?

 

Is it because you presume, people of color cant get laid in China.....hhhmmmm?

 

no

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Uh.... Well... you got me. I'm an avowed racist. Down with all white-colored people!!!

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Would be good if your question made sense. Have another try tomorrow.

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I know of no blacklist that exists. Does the OP mean blackball?

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Was the OP edited??

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Yes, I'm pretty sure the question was edited.

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This post reeks with a racist stink. Discrimination from white people? Black people willingly submitting themselves to their masters? I highly doubt either of the narratives. Its too hard to make sense of any of this garbage. 

Iron12:

Trust me, take a closer look. Its subliminal. Ive encountered it several times...

 

you get zapped then you wake up 24 hours later with no memory, with stitches on your belly and you cant remember a thingcrying

 

 

 

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Chip meet shoulder, shoulder meet chip!

 

That's if the OP is not just trolling!

Iron12:

I am not a Troll mate, my name is Bilbo freakin Baginz

 

Im a hobbit OK!!surprise

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What i read on echinacities is terrifying to say the least and what i have experienced in real life in China ...is not so bad...Chinese people can be the most beautiful and good natured people, at the end of the day i think it all boils down to a person's character and their quality of work, not necessarily skin color or nationality.

 

I rest my case

 

   

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Demographics to the power of two. For a foreigner to want to live in China long term, gotta be mad. To post on an open forum in a foreign country, gotta be mad. So thats mad x mad = mad squared :)

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Well, that was a pretty pointless post wasn't it?

 

It's like you went from an angry racist to calm and enlightened in one day.

 

CONGRATULATIONS!

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Dont knock him robk. He has displayed the required qualifications to be in China..... MADNESS.

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No Robk: the point is that my point is true. Online western bloggers and netizens make it sound like black people are literally being lynched in China. I used to believe that, but i experienced it myself many places dont perceive blacks or Africans with utter disdain but more with curiosity, sometimes respect and sometimes fear. White people on the other hand are seen as a "meal ticket" simple and plain, no deep seated hatred and KKK, white purity and so on.

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ScotsAlen: Yes we are all nutters up in here....that's unanimous

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"What i read on echinacities"

 

And that would be what... precisely?

 

 I'm referring to actual C&P w/ links... obviously. Otherwise, you're just ranting/trolling! (Damn it!)

 

 

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@ stiggs, not you...spreading vile rumours, I used the word " you" to refer to a group of people but definitely not you, you did not spread any rumours. I will forward a post that is on echinacities, this post is what got me fuming. But not you...

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Iron12, what actually is your complaint? How are westerners blacklisting Africans?

ScotsAlan:

But Africa is west of China. It should follow that all "Africans" are westerners. Last week I was talking to a South African. He is a westerner. Ah, but he was white. So is a white South African western? What about a black South African? Are they both the same? I think that was the point the OP was making. Would the assumption be that a White South African is entitled to apply for a European passport, but the black South African cant?

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I really don't know what point the OP was trying to make, other than that westerners are blacklisting Africans in China somehow. He never did come back and explain how, other than to suggest that me saying Africans can't get a legal Z visa is somehow an example of the blackballing.

 

I don't know anything about the differences for a white South African VS a black South African when it comes to getting an EU passport, or even if that's what OP was getting at. If he is he needs to word his original post a lot better because it didn't sound anything like that to me.

 

 

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Stiggs: In a nutshell, when you spread all these vile rumours about black people being segregated in China, it goes a long way. Meanwhile that is not the entire truth. Many black people are doing well. Some would say:"....africans had atrocious accents..." true.... but not all of them. 1. Last time i heard a thick cockney accent all the words were chopped in half. 2. Irish speaking English has a distinct accent from the Gaelic background. 3. Australian English...well Ozzie English is not easy to put a handle on but you know it when you hear it....yes it has a strong accent. 3. Canadian, have a North American twang to it but not much of the purr sound when pronouncing the R's 4. Then American Accent...well its definitely an accent. Other writers said Black people are prone to being defensive and displaying violent behavior. To sum it up this writer was saying Blacks in China have a record of bad behavior.....Really??? I dont think so mate, but i wont splatter the info i know all over the internet just so i can make myself look good or feel better. Stiggs: I could go on and on but i choose to rest my case because ..It is what it is, some people are good some people are bad, irregardless of color or nationality

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ScotsAlen: yes a white south African, probably would qualify for an EU passport because he might have documents that prove he/she has French, Dutch or German ancestry. ... Whats the big deal though?

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@Iron12.  Oh now I'm "spreading vile rumors about black people being segregated in China" ? I never said anything at all about black people being segregated, did you even read what I wrote?

 

 

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"To sum it up this writer was saying.."

 

So... this whole thread about how bad ECC members are 'blackballing" Africans boils down to just ONE person in a post???? WTF??

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@ stiggs, not you...spreading vile rumours, I used the word " you" to refer to a group of people but definitely not you, you did not spread any rumours. I will forward a post that is on echinacities, this post is what got me fuming. But not you...

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@shining_brow ...read for yourself: why does chinese people do not like to recruit africans for even small jobs like teaching english? Asked by Carolinerimayi, last answered 2 weeks 3 days ago in Teaching & Learning

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The comments on that thread are what irked me a bit... this is where it all began, then i decided to talk about it openly, because it eats me up inside everytime i see or hear such nonsense

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I just read all through that thread.

 

YOU, Iron12, are the racist!

 

The posts I've read on ECC - not just that thread - go in 2 similar directions. 1 - Yes, China is racist, what are you going to do about it? 2 - Many Africans (and Asians, and South Americans) have crap English, because they're not used to using it everyday, nor using it for academic situations. Add that to #1, and you'll see the pattern!

 

Is it possible for Africans (or Asians, or just looking African or Asian) to get English language teaching jobs in China? Yes, of course it is! Is it easier for white people to get English speaking jobs (esp if coming from a non-English speaking country)? Yes, it is.

 

Does pointing this out on a forum about China make the poster racist? Hell no!!

 

I will say one thing about NNS of English trying to teach the language - I don't care what qualifications you've got in relation to the language, that in and of itself does not mean you can actually use the language! If I was interviewing you, I'd need to see for myself. (this is something that China has taught me!)

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@Shining_brow: The devil is a Liar

Anything is possible out here "This is China!" try peddling that gospel and stop always making yourself look good and feel good at the expense of putting down another nationality.

 

 

Mr high and mighty

 

Calling me a racist? check yourself!!!

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I am not a westerner but I must tell you if the system was in westerners' hands there won't be situation like what you are feeling right now. The problem is in the very ideology of 'white means pure and black means disease' in Chinese society. There are number of doctors from India and Pakistan in the US and Europe, why? Because the system there provides chances to people from all ethenic backgounds which is why West has got the talent in almost every field. My teacher (from Pakistan ) has been teaching English in the UK for years despite he is South Asian just because he has the ability to deliver.

Weeks ago I was walking back home and a black guy was walking ahead of me and a kid probably 4, 5 pointed at him saying "hei ren" and the grandma steering him giggled like as ifit something to be proud of. When I passed by , I tried to avoid them saying something but I heard "weigu ren" and a giggle. It summarizes my personal experience.

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ok, this morning when i woke up, i misunderstood your comment i think. But you have said it. Most times when they say: " heiren" is nothing but a giggle.

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You're a wumao. If not, then the reason you can't get a teaching job is very simple. Your English is too Chinglish.

 

Seriously man. Time to move on. Dispose of that chip.

Iron12:

Who says I cant get a teaching job??? This is exactly what im talking about on this post... Anyway...my point is: since we are all "foreigners" lets not segregate and blackball each other... Because im telling you even a Russian can get a teaching job in china

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 You are a sanmao

 

Hilarious connotation " wumao"

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Just saying the throwback Bob Marleyesque nonsense you've posted here has resulted in 4 large, humourless, middle aged white ladies whose bodies look like they've been carved out of blue vein cheddar being put onto the public payroll to save the hoi polloi within society from saying anymore nasty things about poor little Sambo and his clan of fuzzy wuzzies.

 

Welcome to the 21st century, mate. It's old hat. I'm sure there are bigots out there, but here's a good way of looking at the issue:

 

To quote Dennis Miller, a man who was once so wise: "instead of trying to ban the KKK, point out the irony to your children of the fat guys in the pee-stained bedsheets shouting all sorts of monosyllabic, eugenic claptrap while all the while pretending to be the master race."

 

Some people need a cause because their lives are empty. If that's the case, indulge in a bit of mianzi. When in Rome.

 

Chill. wink

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@laowaigentleman: quite a mouthful but true....

 

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I'm "white" . Couple of weeks ago in Beijing felt the power of discrimination.

Went for lunch to one lovely place.. it was packed with Africans, and there were some "free" tables with handbags on them.. no one even tried to take them away. So.. I just left the place. Didn't have  that feeling before, even in Brooklyn.

Iron12:

My sincere apologies mate, I honstly dont like the sound of that... Discrimination in all forms is an ugly thing

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It's never easy being a minority. The largest group of people will always pick on smaller groups, violently or subtly (in that case the last). It is part of human nature to stick with those who look like you and to be afraid of differences. Do not you worry, we are working hard to change mindsets and reduce differences through blood mixing and no one can stop it. Discrimination is bad in every ways, not only White picking on *INSERT OTHER ETHNIC*. In the West our politics like to forget about the on-going genocide of White South-Africans or Zimbabweans.

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Cover your tits

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IT SEEMS LIKE IGNORANCE IS STILL IN PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT OPEN MINDED.....

dokken:

And people who write in block capitals. WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING

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@dokken: let him speak his mind, that is his answer he is entitled to it.

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Tautology fail!

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