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Q: Why certain members of this forum so much like to divide the other people into 'us' and 'them'?
Reading certain comments of some ECC contributors I realized, that they very much enjoy to 'blame' others to pretend their nationality/origins.
What does it really matter if RiRi is Japanese, Xinyuren Chinese and Samsara Pakistani (mentioning these names just for sake of example)?
ECC is not a club with limited membership to certain nationalities only, or with double standard membership.
On top of that we are in the Internet which is, for us, totally anonymous. People are creating virtual identities which may quite differ from their real ones.
On this forum these virtual identities deal with each other. Why should nationality be so important?
Isn't it that we shall just discuss based on presented opinions? Is certain opinion coming from certain nationalities more real than from the other ones?
I don’t give a rats what nationality someone is as long as they are HONEST.
Why do the overwhelming majority of Chinese males, for example, feel the need to lie about their nationality? By and large, Chinese girls (Vicky, LiliChristian, etc.) don’t try to hide the fact that they are Chinese, because they don’t have dishonest ideological motivations for doing so.
Posters who are not honest about their nationality inevitably end up being a waste of everyone’s time. This includes Chinese males who try to pass themselves off as foreign (usually by stating in their first post that they are American), and Gouxiong, who was very evasive about the topic of nationality (but apparently said he was a Czech at some point).
Every single poster who is dishonest about his nationality has proved to be dishonest in general.
Janosik:
Well, I cannot agree with you.
Virtual world is virtual world and it can be quite difficult, if not impossible, to determine if each and every person tells truth about himself/herself.
For some strange reason you selected nationality to be the main criteria which must be stated properly as sign of honesty in other matters.
And the tool for determining nationality is English level of the concern poster.
I can guess why the nationality is the only criteria - because it's probably easy to find out who is a native speaker and who is not in absolute majority of cases.
Unfortunately it would also mean that all Europeans, with exception of British and Irish, would be by your means classified as Chinese.
More over I doubt you would be able to distinguish if native speaking girl would pretend to be a man and vice versa.
So this you already do not classify as dishonesty, because no chance to find out ...
Shining somewhere wrote: concentrate on the post, not on the poster (actually he wrote it differently but this is how I understood that - he used the word attack but not in the negative sense).
I pretty much believe that the content of the post is more important than the person. Even though you may sometimes find out that certain topics with certain persons are simply not discussable.
Written like a true wumao! (/jk 
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Yeah, I've noticed this. Not sure, other than the actual wumao posts, where a mainlander pretends to be from somewhere else when praising China (as you saw). Or claiming to be a native speaker of English, when they clearly are not (or, at the very least, not 'standard' English).
To me, I'll enter into that little play only for the above 2 situations. Otherwise, I couldn't care less... (well, ok, knowing someone's nationality allows for some humour, or for camaraderie).
I just presume it's some form of elitism..???
Janosik:
And I have a different opinion.
If a foreigner (real or not) praises China so you may argue with his/her point of view but why should his/her nationality should play any role.
I agree on the part that knowing somebody's nationality is not a bad thing also for the purposes you mentioned.
But this is not what I meant.
Some people in here use this in offensive way, calling someone you are Chinese and not meaning actually nationality of the person but rather trying to offend the person - I find it quite immature.
Shining_brow:
For your first sentence - it comes down to bigotry. And perhaps lies... wumaos will lie openly in favour of China, and thus aren't liked. They also tend to troll - to stir up argument, etc... so, again, not liked.
But otherwise, yeah, you're right! As I try to do - attack the post, not the poster!
Janosik:
What concerns of wumaos ...
I really do not believe that any Chinese who is capable of making reasonable argumentation (even though biased) in English would accept 0.5 CNY/comment ...
ScotsAlan:
I would not worry about it Janosik. I am often accused of being pro China Government. I am actually not, but I can see alternate points of view, and they do some good stuff. The answer Xi gave to the BBC reporter in London was pretty good, for example. That's worth a Bing search.
Why do new members join the forum and then expect existing members to conform to their rules? Over-developed sense of entitlement perhaps?
My father used to always say, when you're new to a company, city, or what have you, keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut until you know who's who and what's what.
You keep creating these threads to bemoan other members and their behavior, if you feel offended, use the 'Report Abuse' function at the bottom right of the offending post. Or, perhaps you should consider whether this forum is the right one for you.
And to directly answer your question: nationalities don't matter except when someone is obviously not what they portend. A native Chinese person who admits that they are Chinese
Janosik:
I see this a bit differently and your comparison to the company is not exactly applicable.
Company is hierarchical structure but Internet forum (like it or not) is not.
I also do not feel offended. It would probably be quite difficult life if one would take an offense from anonymous Intern users (especially from those whose some comments could serve a studying material for psychiatrists).
Coming then to your reply.
Why does it matter if Chinese pretends he/she is foreigner or foreigner that he/she is Chinese?
How does it influence the content of such person comment?
Sinobear:
I didn't say "pretend" I said "portend."
My point remains, perhaps this forum is "not your cup of tea."
Janosik:
Do not know yet.
If I loose interest so I simply leave this forum.
So far I just know that xinyuren is Christian bigot, RiRi is apparently having some mental troubles and Englteachted shall get the basics in economy.
But there are a lot more users in this forum ...
royceH:
And RoyceH thinks that Chinese people are as dumb as dogshit. He doesn't mean all of them though. Just most of them. He knows that some of them are terrific. But not many. And he thinks about other stuff too. All-up, RoyceH is good value. And his wife bought him a smart phone and he doesn't know how to use it. But his wife does. So she's smarter than him. So, in the end, it's a draw.
I don’t give a rats what nationality someone is as long as they are HONEST.
Why do the overwhelming majority of Chinese males, for example, feel the need to lie about their nationality? By and large, Chinese girls (Vicky, LiliChristian, etc.) don’t try to hide the fact that they are Chinese, because they don’t have dishonest ideological motivations for doing so.
Posters who are not honest about their nationality inevitably end up being a waste of everyone’s time. This includes Chinese males who try to pass themselves off as foreign (usually by stating in their first post that they are American), and Gouxiong, who was very evasive about the topic of nationality (but apparently said he was a Czech at some point).
Every single poster who is dishonest about his nationality has proved to be dishonest in general.
Janosik:
Well, I cannot agree with you.
Virtual world is virtual world and it can be quite difficult, if not impossible, to determine if each and every person tells truth about himself/herself.
For some strange reason you selected nationality to be the main criteria which must be stated properly as sign of honesty in other matters.
And the tool for determining nationality is English level of the concern poster.
I can guess why the nationality is the only criteria - because it's probably easy to find out who is a native speaker and who is not in absolute majority of cases.
Unfortunately it would also mean that all Europeans, with exception of British and Irish, would be by your means classified as Chinese.
More over I doubt you would be able to distinguish if native speaking girl would pretend to be a man and vice versa.
So this you already do not classify as dishonesty, because no chance to find out ...
Shining somewhere wrote: concentrate on the post, not on the poster (actually he wrote it differently but this is how I understood that - he used the word attack but not in the negative sense).
I pretty much believe that the content of the post is more important than the person. Even though you may sometimes find out that certain topics with certain persons are simply not discussable.
Where the fuck is this? Give examples!!!!!!! Chinese people care about such BS
I fundamentally disagree with ScotsAlan in general yet I have no doubt he is a genuine individual with his own opinions. Or maybe he's smarter than you and he got me all this time but to this point I have no reason to doubt him. How do you explain that one?
Sorry, another of your logical fallacies debunked on the spot: it's not because we have busted you times and times over for your incompetence at embodying a genuine individual with genuine opinions that we necessarily mind anyone's nationality.
You're just not good at what you do, but I don't blame you it's a hard job to be assigned to spout and defend nonsense to people who are mentally equipped to deal with it. You should get a look at Samsara's topic. It should be a start. Then if you need help I'll show you the tricks of sophistry. I mean you don't want to stagnate being assigned to these forums years after years anymore than we do.
We can't defeat each other so let's join forces, we can make you the best of your danwei and hopefully you can get your promotion eventually. Even if you're freelancing trust me it won't be time wasted.
RiriRiri:
A first advice I would give: if you're going to have to defend opinions that are against the general consensus and potentially tagged as highly suspicious, (which is usually what happens with propaganda), you might want to try not just to recite these opinions along with the usual dishonest tricks of the job, but also try to go personal and give us examples of how you came to these conclusions. Share experiences (and write them down so you don't get confused, it's a deadly trap).
Granted it's a forum for ideas, but you'll notice that it's what people tend to do naturally when they are emotionally attached to the ideas they want to defend - which doesn't come naturally if you're being paid for it of course.
Janosik:
I will not bother with your 'wumao' obsession, keep it up to you to sort it out in some way or simply live with that.
But your answer could be probably classified as paranoia.
For non paranoid people may be English speaking is the problem.
The people come here and some of them quickly build a superiority feeling (they were hired to instruct the others what makes them in their eyes probably superior).
May be coming down to earth would help them a bit.
Concentrating on the topic is then much more important than to concentrate on the poster.
But I agree that for some it can be too much of a challenge ...
ScotsAlan:
We agree to disagree Riri Riri. That's good. And I am sure if we were ever to meet up in real life we would have a great chat over dinner and beer.
RiriRiri:
Just because I admit you are delusional enough to believe what you say doesn't mean I "agree to disagree" with you or anyone. Make no mistake, most of whatever it is you say on this forum won't stand a second of logic thinking, when it's not downright outrageous.
And that's exactly why you usually dodge all the rhetoric questions I ask you, because they challenge your illogical world too much for you to admit. But that's another issue.
ScotsAlan:
My thought process seems logical to me. For example, is democracy the most fantastic system of government ever devised. Well yes. But then a curveball like Trump comes along. Makes one re-evaluate the system.
ScotsAlan:
At least we could agree that we both care about society enough to post our thoughts about it on a public forum. The quiet majority we are not. People read what we write, some agree, some don't. But we both care enough to write. That's a good thing to have in common. We both speak out.
ScotsAlan:
And I don't answer your rhetorical questions because... They are rhetorical.
There are some posers on the site. it is b/c it is. what's a poser you ask?
poser 1.one who pretends to be someone whose not.
2. who tries to fit in but with exaggeration
silverbutton1:
To be honest I really havent put much thought into it. Maybe you read too much into my comment, and thought it applied to you. While my comment does have a negative connotation to it, my thoughts about you are simply neutral.
well at least we know the OP is a local
and isn't trying to hide it .
maybe we will get some answers to the questions that most avoid
then again i saw a unicorn today
Janosik:
I mean man, where are you coming from?
Did your place had a school to attend or were you homeschooled by someone who was also homeschooled?
Never mind - no need to reply.
Not willing to discuss on such a level ...
Is this a white privilege question?
Does white privilege exist? Yup. of course it does.
Does it exist on ECC? Nah. Makes no difference where people are from or what colour they are. We just like fighting.
We have a big mix of people here, of course people will disagree. I will argue with conservatives no matter where they are from. And almost everyone argues with me because of my political views. I have found most forums tend to have a demographic of posters that lean to the right. So for me to post anywhere sets me up for being shot down.
Most people on here have thick skins.
silverbutton1:
White Privilege , BAWHAHAHA ! Yet another retard that has fallen victim to social engineering.
Because it is a natural law that an ecosystem/civilization needs to create an equilibrium in order to be sustainable...Thus, civil rights are recognized...So being called a "laowai" (not us) in china means a certain level of reciprocity is due on part of the expats/migrants in order to create sustainability. Products of an environment.
Janosik:
Do you speak Chinese?
I guess not as otherwise you simply know that laowai simply means foreigner - no bad connotation connected with the word.
If not ask any Chinese next to you if the word 'laowai' has any bad context ...
As Mr Sinobear mentioned, this appears to be another case of a new member trying to reinvent the wheel and recreate it in his own image. Yeah, that'll work...lol
