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Q: Why do so many foreigner workers keep accepting shady jobs?

I'm finding again and again people who are working in the 'gray' area of employment here. Why? Why do they continue to work for these shady unlicensed companies or shifty agencies when there are plenty of legitimate, licensed employers who can ensure your paper-work and documentation are fully legal?

Sure, I can understand that the laws involved in hiring foreigner's in China seem subjectively applied, but when all said and done, if you've not done your due dilligence, or been willing to walk away within the first month of starting with an employer, then who's to blame when the P.S.B. come knocking? Also, having the illegal status hanging over your head let's these a-hole employers treat you like crap and ensure continued contract violations because what're you going to do? Complain and they can dump you like a stone and put you in a very bad place.

Sorry about the rant, but it just annoys me, both that Chinese employers keep employing illegally, and that foreigners keep accepting illegal employment. If you're reading this and thinking of coming to work in China, I'd say come, try it... but be prepared to just get on a plane to somewhere else the moment you find your employer is not compliant with Employment or Taxation Laws. Because it's YOU who will suffer the potential 'administrative detention' and expulsion, or have wasted years with no progression because you can't change jobs. Why do that if you've got the requirements for legal employment?

11 weeks 2 days ago in  Visa & Legalities - China

 
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A lot of the teachers I know arrived here on a tourist visa many years ago and fell in love with a Chinese girl. They did visa runs to Hong Kong every couple of months and worked here the only way they knew how. They got married and decided to make China their home and continued to teach English to support their families here in China but then the law changed and all of a sudden you needed a whole bunch of paperwork to live and work in China. Now there is a trade war and the PSB and police harrass the foreigners. Do you see the problem now? These guys are not doing anything wrong, They are simply trying to live in peace and earn a living the only way they know how. They are working. I respect each and every one of them because at least they are willing to work instead of going out and commiting crimes. My father always said that a man needs to work. If he doesn't work then he isn't a real man.

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I think if you can get a work visa and have all your paperwork in order, you would think these people would choose a legal school to work for. I know you can get tricked and lied to but at the end of the day it's up to you to navigate the BS. If you find your employer is fucking you around and not holding up their end of the bargain or lying to you straight up.... it's up to you to find something else. And a person who just landed in China for the first time and its not an easy situation to get out of without help from someone. 

 

And as for unlicensed schools..well they need illegal workers. They need all the Africans and Europeans and South Americans and non BA holding natives and anyone not from an English speaking country. Its supply and demand. Even legal schools need to hire people who cant get a visa for the simple fact there are not enough people to do the job...especially in smaller towns where people don't want to live. It's a big joke anyway, how does having a BA in computer science or any subject and a 30$ TEFL from Groupon qualify someone to be an English teacher?  It's all a big joke in most cases. Some schools are legit but they are definitely in the minority.

 

As for your complaint about these people and schools doing illegal and shady things....well that's their choice and they have to live with the possible consequences of their actions. As long as you have your shit in order I would not worry about what other people do. That will drive you crazy.

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A lot of the teachers I know arrived here on a tourist visa many years ago and fell in love with a Chinese girl. They did visa runs to Hong Kong every couple of months and worked here the only way they knew how. They got married and decided to make China their home and continued to teach English to support their families here in China but then the law changed and all of a sudden you needed a whole bunch of paperwork to live and work in China. Now there is a trade war and the PSB and police harrass the foreigners. Do you see the problem now? These guys are not doing anything wrong, They are simply trying to live in peace and earn a living the only way they know how. They are working. I respect each and every one of them because at least they are willing to work instead of going out and commiting crimes. My father always said that a man needs to work. If he doesn't work then he isn't a real man.

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Corruption allows the FTs who don't meat the 5 top requirements to obtain a work visa. Over the past 12 years I have been here, I (with a capital I) have noticed many FTs are from countries that have lower per capita incomes than the people in this country. As people's income grew so did the tuition rates. Schools that have an FT charge a lot more tuition. Guess where the money goes. The wages of the FTs have not kept pace with the economy here. If it did I would be making 3 times the wage I get now. I am one of the few qualified FTs in this country. So I still have the option to go where I want and say "no" to monkey acts. FTs from poorer countries are more willing to take the chance of being extradited than someone from a 1st world country. Economics dictates your willingness to take chances in life. Like if you had an MBA in education from Yale, why work in Yulin. People know people. This is not limited to China. It happens all over the world. It's just that 1 st world countries tend to have better enforced legal systems. Hence it is easy for a person who obviously  does not meet Beijing's requirements to obtain a work Visa and an FEC. But the schools will try to keep them. This is one of the first indicators that your school is in the "Shady" realm.

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Hi, I have recently accepted a job in China to teach English, but I've never been to China. Therefore, how do I know that I have accepted a job with a "shady unlicensed company" or a "legitimate, licensed employer"? 

 

I've checked online about my company and whilst there are some bad reviews regarding the company they are still a legitimate company. However, in regards to the work permit they have submitted and the contract they have issued me, I don't know if it's 100% compliant. That is simply because I don't know enough about the laws in China. Plus, I don't know any Mandarin!

 

Therefore, I think the answer to your question is that some foreigners simply don't have the knowledge and just trust their employers. I certainly do not wish to engage in any illegal activity or have some."illegal status" over my head, but if my employer has screwed me then I'm not sure what I could do about it! I've applied for all the correct documents so from my side I've done everything correctly.

 

By the way, I just came across this website today so please feel free to redirect me to any articles I might find useful. Thanks!

 

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biggj123:

Well, I would not say that is always the case. People get tricked by agents and schools. Especially when you're just talking to people online from half way around the world trying to discuss things about a job. They can lie and promise many things and it can not be true. Even if they get you a Z visa, you can still be lied to about the contract, work hours, apartment... lots of things. Especially if you have 0 experience with china or its culture and English teaching here in general.

 

And then there are people to want those shit jobs because they don't have the proper visa and they can jump ship whenever they want. Most of the time the school needs you more than you need them. As long as you can stay away from the authorities its almost a better way to do it. How many time you heard of employers holding passports or not giving release letter and all kind of shady shit. Both legal and illegal have their advantages and disadvantages. Although legal is better if you're with a good employer.

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'cause China is very sunny country.

You need some shade all the time. 

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