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anonymous
Q: Why do some Chinese and Koreans get so pissed off when you present facts when in an argument?
Why is it if I have a disagreement with a Chinese or Korean person presenting facts that would support your point of view, that would convince a normal rational person, seems to just piss them off. It is like they think you are not fighting fair using logic. The person who argues the loudest and longest should be the person who wins the argument. Is this because using facts is a loss of face for them, or is it just because of their lack of the ability to present facts that would support their position?
11 years 46 weeks ago in Relationships - China
To me it is neither of the two you pointed out. In many ways, it is a lack of convincing reasons or arguments to support their views, and they end up getting angry, upset and shouting begins to preserve "face". Maybe its base comes from the Government attitude of "It is so because I said so" that they are used to their ways without logical explanations. It may be hard to understand for many of us, but it is the prevailing way here in China.
I've travelled/lived in Thailand, Malaysia, Cambodia, Vietnam, Singapore, Indonesia and, now, mainland China. I've noticed this tendency, to reject a rationally made argument, in mainland China ONLY, not in the south-east. Malaysians and Singaporeans, particularly, I've found to be very fond of a debate.
Please don't lump all people in Asian countries together and say they're the same; it's definitely wrong and borderline racist. At a stretch, I'd accept the possibility that it's an EAST Asian tendency, since I haven't been to Korea or Japan as yet.
frankbenedix:
While the headline says "Asians" the questions clearly identifies "Chinese" and "Koreans" as the people I am talking about. I am sure you read the headline and did not bother to read on, and you made a wrong assumption about my question. You could make a case I am being racist towards Chinese people or Koreans, but please do not call me a racist to people of countries that II did not mention. Please try to understand what the point is being made before you blindly accuse someone as being racist.
Bona:
frankbenedix, to be fair, MissA is right. I find your headline really misleading. Specifically mentioning Chinese and Koreans in the question explanation does little to clear that because the impression I get is that the Chinese and Koreans are just examples u are using but in essence u have lumped all Asians together and slapped them with a very unfortunate sweeping statement.
crimochina:
then why not rephrase to "some asians" or "chinese/ koreans"?
MissA:
frankbenedix, I stand by my reply, and there's two points I'd like to make.
Firstly, I did read the question text, that was the basis for the east Asia comment in my reply. I would not have brought Korea into my reply, were it not in your question.
Second, saying "I think this generalisation is borderline racist", which I said (paraphrased), is not the same as saying "you are a racist", which I did not say.
Or repetition of the same fact again and again and again, as if simply by driving a mantra-like piece of nonsense into your head you'll become convinced of its truth.
Like Miss A said, this is Chinese -- haven't come across it elsewhere in Asia. People just are de-educated here.
what your talking about is true about any ideologue (nationalists, republicans, democrats, redsox fans) they do not make decision based on principles. tey do what their ideology dictates.
They spazz because they aren't able to take being told they're wrong and then knowing it for sure. Bi-product of the one-child policy.
It is for all the reasons stated here by crimo,never,yian,Happy and Ted. I would also add it is due to being hot-tempered (Especially the South Koreans as I lived in their country for many years.),ANAL,close-minded,HIGHLY immature and ridiculous,ethnocentric,oversensitive,brain-washed and lack of intelligence.
Facts do not count. saving face is the name of the game. Franck3
This happens everywhere in the world. Few people like to admit they are wrong. Especially if you have a strong view on something.
In China I suppose it can happen more often due to not wanting to lose face or depending on what the topic is about it can be due to the way they educated on the topic.
In America the same is very true when people discuss politics. No matter how many facts you provide it's unlikely someone from the opposite political party is going to concede and agree with you.
facts can really mess up a good story, now as i was saying i used walk to school barefoot for 10 miles in snow up to my waist ..........
