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Q: Why no visa run questions these days?
My mate has gone on a visa run to HK tonight. He is on a legit business visa, he does not live here, but he will be here for 32 days. Hence his visa chop run.
Why don't we have the visa run questions like we used to?
8 years 5 days ago in Business & Jobs - China
The people who come to this site seem to be pretty well established here and know their way around. Not the sort of people who ask about visa stuff.
Sad to say It's also not a very friendly site for newbies, the tendency seems to be to assume they're trolling and drive them off.
I think if first time posters are looking for real visa answers and are spending some time on google or wherever, this just isn't the site they would post their question.
WhyHowWhen:
You nailed it, dude.
Dont understand whats the paranoia a few oldies have. Many are cool, due to whom the show goes on..
Stiggs:
To some extent, I do understand it.
How often has some first time poster put up something that just just stinks of trolling or being a baited question looking for someone to say the wrong thing?
That being said, I do think the defensiveness goes too far sometimes.
WhyHowWhen:
Maybe yes, their manor. But they were also newbies when they joined, isnt it?
Englteachted:
When given a reason I call in to question whether a poster is legit or not. Example, Whocares has been the first to answer the last 3 posts by whyhowwhen. That's suspicious. I've been right more than not. But you see I don't care about website traffic or keeping certain questions off the front page.
ScotsAlan:
@engteached. Questions off the front page? Nope. Sockpuppets? No idea. Your guess is as good as mine. Make a guess based on posting style. That's what I have to do. My organic bamboo wand is not very good. It was made in China after all :-) Promotion of ecc? Of course. We need new posters.
Stiggs:
@ Ted. Yeah I understand that and sometimes go through the same thought process. I have the same suspicions as you.
But, if the poster isn't saying anything wrong and is contributing to the conversation does it really matter? Even if they are on the payroll, if they have something sensible to say does it really matter who they are?
Ok they might be helping drive something off the main page, but if an established poster were to say the same thing would it still be a problem?
At what point do we decide to give a new poster a fair chance?
WhyHowWhen:
LOL at the detective work, suspicions and paranoia ! Regretfully (for him) and as before, he's wrong! I am amazed that he has assumed and alleged so many things wildly since I joined without any basis whatsoever.
If only he could use his energy to post Q's and responsible answers instead of sarcastic remarks on others posts. He's funny. He's illogical. He's Clown.
WhyHowWhen:
@Stiggs, again you nailed it man. Give a fair chance instead of being in 'attack mode' from the word go, just on suspicions and assumptions.
On Qs, some ask for info/advice while others would be for a debate to get a wider perpective. I agree baited Qs are wrong and best ignored.
They might tighten the rules at HK Chinese Embassy.
General rule at every Embassy is 'applicant must be resident of Embassy's headquarters country to be able to apply for any visa'.
I applied for Pak. Tourist visa at Beijing's Pak. Embassy last June. First, they wanted to see my RP, and after that I got access to all required forms.
HK is accessible to Western passport holders for 3 months without visa. That's our luck to be able to apply for Chinese visa in HK. HK might discontinue Z visa application.
WhyHowWhen:
In HK, business travellers apply China visa to visit fairs/factories etc, so they accept applications from visitors. But they have a condition that the first time visa has to be obtained from embassy in home country.
icnif77:
I guess, first time visa especially working one is because of police record in home country.
The people who come to this site seem to be pretty well established here and know their way around. Not the sort of people who ask about visa stuff.
Sad to say It's also not a very friendly site for newbies, the tendency seems to be to assume they're trolling and drive them off.
I think if first time posters are looking for real visa answers and are spending some time on google or wherever, this just isn't the site they would post their question.
WhyHowWhen:
You nailed it, dude.
Dont understand whats the paranoia a few oldies have. Many are cool, due to whom the show goes on..
Stiggs:
To some extent, I do understand it.
How often has some first time poster put up something that just just stinks of trolling or being a baited question looking for someone to say the wrong thing?
That being said, I do think the defensiveness goes too far sometimes.
WhyHowWhen:
Maybe yes, their manor. But they were also newbies when they joined, isnt it?
Englteachted:
When given a reason I call in to question whether a poster is legit or not. Example, Whocares has been the first to answer the last 3 posts by whyhowwhen. That's suspicious. I've been right more than not. But you see I don't care about website traffic or keeping certain questions off the front page.
ScotsAlan:
@engteached. Questions off the front page? Nope. Sockpuppets? No idea. Your guess is as good as mine. Make a guess based on posting style. That's what I have to do. My organic bamboo wand is not very good. It was made in China after all :-) Promotion of ecc? Of course. We need new posters.
Stiggs:
@ Ted. Yeah I understand that and sometimes go through the same thought process. I have the same suspicions as you.
But, if the poster isn't saying anything wrong and is contributing to the conversation does it really matter? Even if they are on the payroll, if they have something sensible to say does it really matter who they are?
Ok they might be helping drive something off the main page, but if an established poster were to say the same thing would it still be a problem?
At what point do we decide to give a new poster a fair chance?
WhyHowWhen:
LOL at the detective work, suspicions and paranoia ! Regretfully (for him) and as before, he's wrong! I am amazed that he has assumed and alleged so many things wildly since I joined without any basis whatsoever.
If only he could use his energy to post Q's and responsible answers instead of sarcastic remarks on others posts. He's funny. He's illogical. He's Clown.
WhyHowWhen:
@Stiggs, again you nailed it man. Give a fair chance instead of being in 'attack mode' from the word go, just on suspicions and assumptions.
On Qs, some ask for info/advice while others would be for a debate to get a wider perpective. I agree baited Qs are wrong and best ignored.
Maybe police started fining schools harder when they find teachers working illegally and now it simply doesn't worth it for any school to hire teachers on the wrong visas. I am a non-native English speaker and I've applied for over a hundred teaching jobs and so far there has only been one school that asked me whether I want to 'get my own visa'.
ScotsAlan:
Cool. So almost every school offers you a z? And you avoid the schools that try to do illegal stuff. That is good news.
Chhris:
It really became a lot harder for non-native teachers to get hired on a Z-visa, schools are telling me that first they have to check with their HR and the local authorities whether they can get me the work permit or not. I think the problem is that I started applying for jobs too early, I want to start in September and schools will want to fill up their teaching positions with native speakers first. When they become desperate to get enough foreign teachers by the new semester maybe they will try to pull their guanxi and try to hire me on the right papers.
Also I still haven't had my degree authenticated, that should be done asap.
