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Q: Wuhan death toll over 40000

The truth is starting to come out...8 crematoriums have given the number per day of ashes back to families ...Busted on another lie

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What would be the normal number of dead per day in a city the size of Wuhan ? Somewhere in the range 500-1000???

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I think that would depend. How bad is the community spread? What is being done to contain it - testing, tracking down people exposed to carriers, lockdown in effect? How good is the medical system? How soon did the government act on it? Where are they on the graph?

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I read somewhere that in normal times an average of 8 people per 1000 die per day on Earth. So for a city of 12 million, around 960 will die per day, assuming my math is correct.

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Que the National response

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wuhan-covid-19-deaths-may-be-in-tens-of-thousands-data-on-cremations-show/ar-BB11T0Vb

 

A stack of urns at a funeral home in Wuhan, the city's official cremation rates, and reports of an overwhelmed health care system have prompted speculation that Wuhan's real COVID-19 death toll could be in the tens of thousands—despite the Chinese government reporting 2,535 deaths from just over 50,000 coronavirus infections.

Photos began circulating across Chinese social media this week of urns arriving in the epicenter of the outbreak, after families who had lost loved ones to the novel coronavirus were instructed to pick up cremated ashes from one of the local funeral homes in the city. These images raised a fresh round of questions about the real coronavirus death toll in China, with domestic citizens and international critics using the number of urns to accuse the Chinese government of lying about their figures.

Trucks dropped off roughly 2,500 urns on both Wednesday and Thursday local time to one of the eight local funeral homes, a driver told Chinese media outlet Caixin. The news site also published another photo showing 3,500 urns stacked inside the facility. The number of urns that arrived in that one funeral home was far greater than the city's official overall death COVID-19 toll.

Some Wuhan residents estimate that the coronavirus death toll could be 26,000, based on the amount of urns being delivered and distributed across the city. Citizens on Chinese social media users have said that seven Wuhan funeral homes will likely distribute 3,500 urns per day on average from March 23 to April 4, which marks Qing Ming, the traditional tomb-sweeping festival. By that estimate, 42,000 urns would be given out in the 12-day period.

By minusing the expected deaths of roughly 16,000 in Wuhan, based on China's annual death rate over two and a half months, they estimate that the urns show that the coronavirus outbreak could have resulted in approximately 26,000 deaths. It is currently unclear, however, how many of the urns have been used.

Math based on urns, assumptions and social media isn't anything to go by. But it offers one estimation of the city's real death figure and further lends credence to the skepticism held by many of the accuracy of the Chinese government's officially reported Wuhan COVID-19 death tally.

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At Zero, they were counting no. of coffins delivered to the graveyards ... bastards! surprise

 

... and the numbers don't add up.

 

Now, your face or no face (culture), right, honest info is very important at measuring the severity of pandemic.

Spain (with less than 50 M residents) and Italy (55 M) have almost double death count than China .." 'cause we have face culture ... so we LIE and CHEAT ..." and people are dying ..

 

I could never understood that face thingy working as an English teacher ..., i.e. I must tell students mistakes they make, but then they lose a face ... What a manure!

 

Screw face, Chinese response at the outbreak should be measured as planned ... that's where Trump's "Chinese virus ..."  comes from and he is right! 

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Scumbags ...of the Sea ...

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-ramps-south-china-sea-war-drills...

 

The Global Times described the latest war drill as part of fighting the pandemic. 

An aircraft carrier is a large warship with many people concentrated in its cabins, making it vulnerable to infectious diseases. Being able to successfully conduct related missions indicated that the Liaoning has done a great job in controlling the epidemic. - Beijing-based naval expert Li Jie told Global Times.

And just like that, a Chinese virus implodes the American economy, takes out an aircraft carrier in the Pacific, and China makes a big move in the South China Sea. Is the virus the first silent shot fired by Beijing in World War III?

     

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    https://news.yahoo.com/vietnam-lodges-protest-against-beijing-080903606.html

     

    Vietnam has lodged an official protest with China following the sinking of a Vietnamese fishing boat it said had been rammed by a Chinese maritime surveillance vessel near islands in the disputed South China Sea.

    The Vietnamese fishing vessel, with eight fishermen onboard, was fishing near the Paracel Islands on Thursday when it was rammed and sunk by the Chinese vessel, Vietnam's foreign ministry said in a statement posted on a government website on Saturday.

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    What would be the normal number of dead per day in a city the size of Wuhan ? Somewhere in the range 500-1000???

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    I think that would depend. How bad is the community spread? What is being done to contain it - testing, tracking down people exposed to carriers, lockdown in effect? How good is the medical system? How soon did the government act on it? Where are they on the graph?

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    I read somewhere that in normal times an average of 8 people per 1000 die per day on Earth. So for a city of 12 million, around 960 will die per day, assuming my math is correct.

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    "Sherlock-Zero-Holmes" ...

     

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-incinerating-coronavirus-casualt...

    Wed, 02/05/2020 - 17:45

    On late Sunday evening, Tencent, on its webpage titled "Epidemic Situation Tracker", showed confirmed cases of novel coronavirus (2019nCoV) in China as standing at 154,023, 10 times the official figure at the time. It listed the number of suspected cases as 79,808, four times the official figure.

    And while the number of cured cases was only 269, well below the official number that day of 300, most ominously, the death toll listed was 24,589, vastly higher than the 300 officially listed that day.

    The Daily Star reports that "thick fog" across the city could be the result of smoke from crematoriums burning coronavirus-infected bodies "24 hours a day".

     

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/burning-bodies-secret-new-accounts-wuh...

    Fri, 01/31/2020 - 07:43

    Almost 2,000 new cases of coronavirus were confirmed in China on Thursday, lifting the country's total to approximately 9,692, surpassing all of the 2002-03 SARS epidemic in a matter of weeks. All of the deaths have been in China, now at 213. Globally, there are 9,816 cases of the deadly virus. 

    There have been doubts about the officially confirmed cases and deaths in China - could be much higher some claim. 

    The New Zealand Herald has published a new report that alleges Chinese authorities have resorted to cremating bodies in secret. 

    DW News East Asia correspondent William Yang cited a report from Chinese-language news outlet Initium, which said cremation facilities in Wuhan, the epicenter of the deadly virus, were receiving bodies directly from hospitals without proper identification and were excluded from the official record. There are 7 crematoriums in Wuhan.

     

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/more-evidence-china-lying-number-urns-m...

    Sun, 03/29/2020 - 11:39

    Update (03/29/2020): Radio Free Asia (the US State Department) adds that since the start of last week, "seven large funeral homes in Wuhan have been handing out the cremated remains of around 500 people to their families every day, suggesting that far more people died than ever made the official statistics."

    "It can't be right ... because the incinerators have been working round the clock, so how can so few people have died?" one Wuhan resident told RFA.

    "They started distributing ashes and starting interment ceremonies on Monday."

    Social media users have been doing some basic math to figure out their daily capacity, while the news website Caixin.com reported that 5,000 urns had been delivered by a supplier to the Hankou Funeral Home in one day alone -- double the official number of deaths.

    Some social media posts have estimated that all seven funeral homes in Wuhan are handing out 3,500 urns every day in total.

    Funeral homes have informed families that they will try to complete cremations before the traditional grave-tending festival of Qing Ming on April 5, which would indicate a 12-day process beginning on March 23.

    Such an estimate would mean that 42,000 urns would be given out during that time. -RFA

      

    Using another calculation, RFA estimates 46,800 deaths.

    Another popular estimate is based on the cremation capacity of the funeral homes, which run a total of 84 furnaces with a capacity over 24 hours of 1,560 urns city-wide, assuming that one cremation takes one hour.

    This calculation results in an estimated 46,800 deaths.

    A resident of Hubei province, of which Wuhan is the capital, said most people there now believe that more than 40,000 people died in the city before and during the lockdown.

    RFA also reports that Chinese officials have been handing 3,000 yuan to families for "funeral allowances" in exchange for their silence.

    "There have been a lot of funerals in the past few days, and the authorities are handing out 3,000 yuan in hush money to families who get their loved ones' remains laid to rest ahead of Qing Ming," said the source.

    Yet, Chinese investigative outlet Caixin revealed that when mortuaries opened back up this week, photos revealed a far greater number of urns than reported deaths. In one, a truck loaded with 2,500 urns can be seen arriving to the Hankou Mortuary. According to the report, the driver said he had delivered the same amount the previous day.

    Urns are reportedly being distributed at a rate of 500 a day at the mortuary until the Tomb Sweeping Day holiday, which falls on April 4 this year.

    Wuhan has seven other mortuaries. If they are all sticking to the same schedule, this adds up to more than 40,000 urns being distributed in the city over the next 10 days.

    When reporters at Bloomberg made calls to the funeral homes to check on the number of urns waiting to be collected, the mortuaries said that they either did not have that data or were not authorized to disclose it. -Shanghaiist.

    "It can't be right ... because the incinerators have been working round the clock, so how can so few people have died?" one Wuhan resident told RFA.

     

     

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    news reports coming in as regards the protective equipment sourced from China.

    more and more is being rejected as sub-standard

     

    https://www.ft.com/content/f3435779-a706-45c7-a7e2-43efbdd7777b

     

    this just disgusts me that ANY country would try and dress this up as 'generosity'

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    You got that at your job, did you? FT is pay-per-view ... surprise

    Become an FT subscriber to read:

    Countries reject China pandemic product batches

     

     

    Try mine .. it's free :

     

    https://dnyuz.com/2020/03/29/countries-reject-china-pandemic-product-batches/

     

     

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    this is one of MANY reports on this.

     

    if, as the Chinese government claim, these were manufactured by unlicenced companies, someone (official) must have granted them an export licence, which indicates corruption on a large scale, given the size of the orders coming in and the special flights / shipments out of China.

     

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    No, it isn't! 

     

    See mine ... on the bottom.

     

    They all c&p from FT.

     

    I mean, I ain't the only cheapskate ... 

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    These products weren't grant, i.e 'generosity'.

     

    They were all paid for ..., so 'scumbaggery' term suits more ... angel

    Sorry, am into details today ...  

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    sorrel:

    this sort of shipment, regardless of being bought and paid for, is part of 'how generous China is' narrative.

    a hypocritical attempt to rewrite the narrative.

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    Chinese narrative flies back like a boomerang ... 

     

    "You won't ever profit or come even while you're dealing with Chinese ...!" is my narrative/mantra learned during the teaching stint in China.

    "add-it':

    All matters involving Chinese acts at pandemic should be viewed as INTENTIONAL ...!

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    Lies, all lies! You are all strongly condemned and your so-called racist hegemony will be exposed by the world. You filthy white devils will be blasted and slammed for your unharmonious ideology!

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    Is 'Sandnose' and 'WangNan2020' the same person? 

     

     

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    lol... I should be flattered. Hahaha. Thanks mate. Must have nailed the satire :-D

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    https://www.cryptocommentary.net/financial/countries-reject-china-pandem...

     

    https://dnyuz.com/2020/03/29/countries-reject-china-pandemic-product-bat...

     

     

    Countries reject China pandemic product batches

    March 29, 2020

     

    Several countries in or neighbouring the EU have rejected Chinese-made coronavirus testing kits and protective equipment as substandard, raising concerns about the quality of supplies.

    The Netherlands, Spain and Turkey have all claimed there have been problems with products including masks and tests, as rising confirmed cases of Covid-19 infection in Europe increase dependence on Chinese imports.

     

    The claims come as tensions grow over what the EU’s top diplomat has branded Beijing’s use of the “politics of generosity” in a “battle of narratives” over who were the most reliable international partners in the global crisis.

    The Dutch health ministry said at the weekend it was forced to recall 600,000 face masks shipped from China on March 21 after they were found to be defective.

    The faults, which included the masks failing to fit the mouth and having insufficient filters, were found during inspections after some masks had already been distributed to hospitals, the government said.

    Authorities said the masks, from an undisclosed source, came with a KN95 certificate which meant they should filter out at least 95 per cent of airborne particles.

    “Healthcare providers have been informed and told not to use the masks,” the health ministry said in a statement. “Due to shortages, we can find ourselves in a situation where only protective equipment is available that does not meet the highest standards. This is an issue in all countries.”

    Josep Borrell, EU high representative for foreign policy, blogged last week that there was a “geopolitical component” to the Covid-19 crisis, including a “struggle for influence through spinning and the ‘politics of generosity’”.

    China was “sending equipment and doctors to Europe” and “aggressively pushing the message that, unlike the US, it is a responsible and reliable partner”, he said. 

    The Netherlands is among a growing number of European countries to receive medical equipment from China. Earlier this month, Chinese telecoms operator Huawei donated a separate delivery of 800,000 face masks to the country — the first batch of which was personally welcomed into the country by Hugo de Jonge, health minister.

    In Spain, which has the world’s second highest official Covid-19 death toll after Italy, the ministry of health has said it withdrew 8,000 rapid testing kits delivered to Madrid’s regional government because of worries about inaccurate results. It also sent back an additional 50,000 testing kits that had not been distributed.

    The Spanish government says the supplier, Shenzhen Bioeasy Biotechnology, will replace them with 58,000 kits to the correct specifications in the “coming days”, as part of a total planned shipment of 640,000.

    Shenzhen Bioeasy has said that the problems may have been because of incorrect sample collection or use of the product.

    Spain says the order is separate from a €432m purchase of medical equipment from China announced last week, which includes 5.5m tests. The Chinese embassy in Madrid also stressed that the allegedly defective Shenzhen Bioeasy tests were not part of a consignment it helped arrange.

    In Turkey, the government has said that it has found an unspecified number of antigen test kits sent from China to be substandard, causing it to reject them before they were used on any patients.

    Ateş Kara, a member of the Turkish government’s coronavirus scientific advisory committee, said the margin of error on the antigen tests was too high, creating the risk of false negatives. “We wanted all the tests to be totally accurate,” he said.

    Mr Kara said that Turkey was happy with 350,000 rapid antibody testing kits it had also bought from China. All the tests bought by Turkey were purchased directly from private companies, rather than through the Chinese government, according to a person familiar with the matter.

    The post Countries reject China pandemic product batches appeared first on Financial Timesangel

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    Do you ever watch movies? 

     

    OK, have a look at flick 'Contagion, 2011' ...

     

    I am not sure where are you getting your FREE ..., but you can d/l it for free at FrostWire ... FrostWire is p2p website ... Do you know waht's p2p? 

     

    Plot:

    Biolabs, highly contagious disease spreading around the world ...

     

    I've never seen BioLab 4 from the inside ... working scientists inside the Lab are in the bubble ..

     

    Back to flick ...

    icnif77:

    Never, ever think, I surprise could be behind ... the curve, since flick was released in 2011 ... Here is a day old movie review and comparison to today's COVID:

     

    https://wtop.com/entertainment/2020/04/contagion-vs-coronavirus-the-films-connections-to-a-real-life-pandemic/

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    Yeah I watched that movie the other night too. It made me super aware of everything I touch.

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    You're like my mom ...  ... retired med. They can talk day in and day out about diseases and prevention and disinfection and what not ... over the phone of course ... I can get ill just by listening to all that blabbering 'cause I am more of a sensitive kind, he he

     

    I am relaxed ... sitting inside my house for some 3 weeks already. I am sick of it already. Going tomorrow for a stroll through the city. Will take my wood sanding mask and pair of disposable gloves just in case I find some store open. I run out of loose Indian black tea ...

    Here is the link for more MUST-Watch movies:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-04-03/get-paid-1200-watch-12-best-prepper-movies-you-self-quarantine-avoid-covid-19

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    Those prepper movies are soooo 2019 with their stupid food and guns fixation.

     

    The modern, woke and prepared for anything prepper is hoarding face masks and toilet paper. Especially toilet paper, people were fighting over that just a few weeks ago.

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    Did you see the title of the thread?

    "Do you want to make money ... during the lock-down?" ... ZH's bastards ... They mimic spam messages at comments on Zero. This thread is like AprilFools thread, but they posted few movie titles ... You can tell, I don't know what to do with myself ... I remodelled/repaired an old pair of jeans. Fat Face bought around 2010 ... and had 20cm tear on the knee side of one leggings, large tear by the front pocket on another one and large tear through the back pocket where I hold coins ... So, I sew it all by hand and then I asked my mom: "Are you jealous?"

    She goes: "Noooo!", but I looked over the Internet ... same jeans as mine goes for 400 EUR with 120 or so discount, so final price is around 280 EUR. They call it "vintage jeans" ... Last week or so, I refurbished an old wooden table. All hand work 'cause it's ancient.  

     

    Investing money ... where would you prefer to invest: Firms that make toilet paper ... or firms that operate printing press? 

    Money printing is all digital today, but I would be more content by buying stawks in printing press ... if there would be real printing machines running on the FED's call. angel

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    The real money is in medical supply companies at the moment...

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    That wasn't the choice, butT ... if you are for real, watch yourself at inflation, I would say, i.e. Gold/Silver bullion (you are late for that already, IMO!), BTC is also in play ... and that's it in this environment.

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    this is fake news in China Daily.

    http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1906097

     

    this is fake news.Paddy Cosgrave has been called out for posting false information.Shame on China allowing the sale of fake and substandard medical equipment being sold to countries. Yes, by allowing these 'unlicensed' companies export fake medical supplies the Chinese government is complicit. The doctors and nurses where i live despair of having enough reliable and trustworthy medical supplies even after the millions of euro's being spent in China. Shame. China, if you want the respect of other countries that you seemingly crave, be honest and reliable.Don't facilitate the disgusting people who seek to profit from the misery and desperation of the rest of the world.

    icnif77:

    Sooner West will realise Chinese thinking isn't the same as Western thinking ... 

     

    English: "This is bad, I am appalled ..."

     

    Chinese: "Yeah, we sold a 'rabbit' to them ... and they were buying a tiger, he he ... We made a profit, too. Screw laowai! TIC! (This is China!)"

     

    I experienced the same at working in China. One will eventually come to terms ... that Chinese DON'T understand English same as we do!

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    and then Chinese people get 'offended' when called out on their dishonesty.

     

    I think people won't forget this shamless scamming by China for a long time to come.

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    @sorrell Sadly they will forget...24hour news cycle and 4 week memory...the world is full of smoke and mirrors

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    We're inching closer to the Phil's no. ...angel

     

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/wuhan-residents-believe-covid-19-100-ti...

    Wuhan Residents Believe COVID-19 Is 100 Times Worse Than Chinese Government Says, Report

    Other residents told anti-Communist newspaper The Epoch Times that they simply cannot believe the government’s assertions about the death toll.

    “Just exactly how many Wuhan residents have died from the virus if the line at the cemetery is so long?” one resident said, adding “China’s official media reported over 3,000 coronavirus deaths. I think the real figure is at least ten times the official figure, and even 100 times is not impossible.”

    “The citizens of Wuhan believe that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) concealed the true death toll,” the report states.

    It continues “They made this judgment based on two facts: one, the lines outside the funeral home to collect the ashes are very long, and two, the medical standards of European and American countries are higher than those in China. But the reported death rates in these countries are higher than that of China.”

    Another Wuhan resident told Radio Free Asia “They are saying that only a few thousand died here in Wuhan, but does that sound right?”

    Both the US and the UK governments are of the belief that China is hiding the real scale of the pandemic, estimating that it could be 15 to 40 times worse than the communist state admits.

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    How many times did I say "INTENTIONALLY"...

     

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-floods-europe-defective-cov...

     

    Excerpt:

    - Dutch: The so-called KN95 masks are a less expensive Chinese alternative to the American-standard N95 mask, which currently is in short supply around the world. The KN95 does not fit on the face as tightly as the N95, thus potentially exposing medical personnel to the coronavirus.

    - In Spain, meanwhile, the Ministry of Health on March 26 revealed that 640,000 coronavirus tests that it had purchased from a Chinese vendor were defective. The tests, manufactured by Shenzhen Bioeasy Biotechnology Company in Guangdong province, had an accurate detection rate of less than 30%.

    On April 2, the Spanish newspaper El Mundo reported that it had been presented with leaked documents which showed that Bioeasy had lied to the Spanish government about the accuracy of the tests. Bioeasy had claimed, in writing, that its tests had an accurate detection rate of 92%.

    Slovakia. On April 1, Prime Minister Igor Matovič said that more than a million coronavirus tests supplied by China for a cash payment of €15 million ($16 million) were inaccurate and unable to detect COVID-19. "We have a ton of tests and no use for them," he said. "They should just be thrown straight into the Danube." China accused Slovakian medical personnel of using the tests incorrectly.

    Malaysia. On March 28, Malaysia received a consignment of medical equipment donated by China, consisting of test kits, medical face masks, surgical masks and other personal protective equipment. A senior official in the Ministry of Health, Noor Hisham Abdullah, said that the test kits would be evaluated for accuracy after previous test kits from China were found to be defective: "This is a different brand from the one we tested earlier. We will assess the new test kit which is FDA-approved. I was assured by the Chinese ambassador that this is more accurate than the other one we tested." Abdullah previously stated that the accuracy of the Chinese tests was "not very good."

    Turkey. On March 27, Turkish Health Minister Fahrettin Koca said that Turkey had tried some Chinese-made coronavirus tests but authorities "weren't happy about them." Professor Ateş Kara, a member of the Turkish Health Ministry's coronavirus task force, added that the batch of testing kits were only 30 to 35% accurate: "We have tried them. They don't work. Spain has made a huge mistake by using them."

    Czech Republic. On March 23, the Czech news site iRozhlas reported that 300,000 coronavirus test kits delivered by China had an error rate of 80%. The Czech Ministry of Interior had paid $2.1 million for the kits. On March 15, Czech media revealed that Chinese suppliers had swindled the Czech government after it paid upfront for the supply of five million face masks, which were supposed to have been delivered on March 16.

    My-scumbaggery-face-culture:

    On March 30, China urged European countries not to "politicize" concerns about the quality of medical supplies from China. "Problems should be properly solved based on facts, not political interpretations," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said.

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    I'll start with the comment:

     

    As part of an angry Consumer Army, every individual can permanently stop this.

    Two things.

    1. Don't Buy Anything Made in China. Kill the beast with your wallet. Further, you and family members could Die from residual ChiCom-19 Death Virus (a more fitting name giving these slants full credit) 

    2. Boycott all business that has chinese junk laden with toxic waste on their shelves. Until they remove EVERYTHING from their pandering whore stores, these businesses need to be ostracized.

    And when the ChiComs no longer have a flow of western dollars, they will implode, their workers (3 BILLION of them) will violently rebel, and the ChiComs will cease to exist.

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    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-floods-europe-defective-cov...

    China Floods Europe With Defective COVID-19-Fighting Medical Equipment

    As the coronavirus rages across Europe, a growing number of countries are reporting that millions of pieces of medical equipment donated by, or purchased from, China to defeat the pandemic are defective and unusable.

    The revelations are fueling distrust of a public relations effort by Chinese President Xi Jinping and his Communist Party to portray China as the world's new humanitarian superpower.

      

    On March 28, the Netherlands was forced to recall 1.3 million face masks produced in China because they did not meet the minimum safety standards for medical personnel. The so-called KN95 masks are a less expensive Chinese alternative to the American-standard N95 mask, which currently is in short supply around the world. The KN95 does not fit on the face as tightly as the N95, thus potentially exposing medical personnel to the coronavirus.

    More than 500,000 of the KN95 masks had already been distributed to Dutch hospitals before the recall was enacted.

    "When the masks were delivered to our hospital, I immediately rejected them," a hospital worker told the Dutch public broadcaster NOS.

    "If those masks do not seal properly, the virus particles can simply pass through. We cannot use them. They are unsafe for our people."

    In a written statement, the Dutch Ministry of Health explained:

    "A first shipment from a Chinese manufacturer was partly delivered last Saturday. These are masks with a KN95 quality certificate. During an inspection this shipment was found not to meet our quality standard. Part of this shipment had already been delivered to healthcare providers; the rest of the cargo was immediately withheld and not further distributed.

    "A second test also showed that the masks did not meet our quality standard. It has now been decided that this entire shipment will not be used. New shipments will undergo additional tests."

    The Dutch newspaper NRC Handelsblad reported on March 17 that the Netherlands had only a few days' supply of masks: "All hope is now for that one cargo plane from China on Wednesday." The substandard quality of the masks delivered by China has left the Netherlands shattered. A spokesperson for a hospital in Dutch city of Eindhoven said that Chinese suppliers were selling "a lot of junk...at high prices."

    In Spain, meanwhile, the Ministry of Health on March 26 revealed that 640,000 coronavirus tests that it had purchased from a Chinese vendor were defective. The tests, manufactured by Shenzhen Bioeasy Biotechnology Company in Guangdong province, had an accurate detection rate of less than 30%.

    On April 2, the Spanish newspaper El Mundo reported that it had been presented with leaked documents which showed that Bioeasy had lied to the Spanish government about the accuracy of the tests. Bioeasy had claimed, in writing, that its tests had an accurate detection rate of 92%.

     

    Also on April 2, the Spanish government revealed that a further million coronavirus tests delivered to Spain on March 30 by another Chinese manufacturer were also defective. The tests apparently required between five and six days to detect whether a patient is infected with coronavirus and were therefore useless to diagnose the disease in a timely manner.

    On March 25, the Spanish government announced that it had purchased medical supplies from China in the amount of €432 million ($470 million), and that Chinese vendors demanded that they be paid up front before the deliveries were made. Spanish Health Minister Salvador Illa explained:

    "We have bought and paid for 550 million masks, which will start arriving now and will continue to arrive for the next eight weeks. 11 million gloves will arrive in the next five weeks. As for rapid tests, we have acquired 5.5 million for the months of March and April. In addition, we will receive 950 respirators during the months of April to June. We are managing the purchase of more equipment."

    It is not at all clear how the Spanish government will be able to guarantee the quality of these new mass purchases, or how it would obtain compensation if the products from China were again substandard.

     

    On March 28, the French government, which apparently has only a few weeks' worth of supplies, announced that it had ordered more than one billion face masks from China. It is unclear whether the quality control problems experienced by other European countries would affect France's purchasing plans.

    Other countries — in Europe and beyond — have also criticized the quality of Chinese medical supplies:

    • *Slovakia. On April 1, Prime Minister Igor Matovič said that more than a million coronavirus tests supplied by China for a cash payment of €15 million ($16 million) were inaccurate and unable to detect COVID-19. "We have a ton of tests and no use for them," he said. "They should just be thrown straight into the Danube." China accused Slovakian medical personnel of using the tests incorrectly.

    • *Malaysia. On March 28, Malaysia received a consignment of medical equipment donated by China, consisting of test kits, medical face masks, surgical masks and other personal protective equipment. A senior official in the Ministry of Health, Noor Hisham Abdullah, said that the test kits would be evaluated for accuracy after previous test kits from China were found to be defective: "This is a different brand from the one we tested earlier. We will assess the new test kit which is FDA-approved. I was assured by the Chinese ambassador that this is more accurate than the other one we tested." Abdullah previously stated that the accuracy of the Chinese tests was "not very good."

    • *Turkey. On March 27, Turkish Health Minister Fahrettin Koca said that Turkey had tried some Chinese-made coronavirus tests but authorities "weren't happy about them." Professor Ateş Kara, a member of the Turkish Health Ministry's coronavirus task force, added that the batch of testing kits were only 30 to 35% accurate: "We have tried them. They don't work. Spain has made a huge mistake by using them."

    • *Czech Republic. On March 23, the Czech news site iRozhlas reported that 300,000 coronavirus test kits delivered by China had an error rate of 80%. The Czech Ministry of Interior had paid $2.1 million for the kits. On March 15, Czech media revealed that Chinese suppliers had swindled the Czech government after it paid upfront for the supply of five million face masks, which were supposed to have been delivered on March 16.

     

    On March 30, China urged European countries not to "politicize" concerns about the quality of medical supplies from China. "Problems should be properly solved based on facts, not political interpretations," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said.

     

    On April 1, the Chinese government reversed course and announced that it was increasing its oversight of exports of coronavirus test kits made in China. Chinese exporters of coronavirus tests must now obtain a certificate from the National Medical Products Administration (NMPA) in order to be cleared by China's customs agency.

     

    Meanwhile, the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei announced that it would stop donating masks to European countries as a result of allegedly derogatory comments by the EU Foreign Policy Chief Josep Borrell.

    On March 24, Borrell had written in a blog post that China was engaging in a "politics of generosity" as well as a "global battle of narratives."

    On March 26, a Huawei official told the Brussels-based news service Euractiv that due to Borrell's comments, the company would be ending its donation program because it did not want to become involved in a geopolitical power play between the U.S. and China.

    On March 28, Huawei paid for sponsored content in the publication Politico Europe. Huawei's Chief Representative to the EU, Abraham Liu, wrote:

    "Let me be clear — we have never sought to gain any publicity or favor in any country by what we are doing. We made a conscious decision not to publicize things. Our help is not conditional and not a part of any business or geopolitical strategy as some have suggested. We are a private company. We are trying to help people to the best of our abilities. That's all. There is no hidden agenda. We don't want anything in return."

    On March 30, the BBC reported that Huawei was acting as if nothing had really changed since the coronavirus crisis began:

    "That may be naive on the company's part. While nothing has really changed when it comes to the technical and security issues around Huawei's equipment, the political climate for the company has certainly worsened.

    "A story in the Mail on Sunday at the weekend had Downing Street warning China 'faced a reckoning' over its handling of the coronavirus.

    "And that is likely to embolden those MPs who have been telling the government no Chinese company should be allowed a role in the UK's vital infrastructure."

    On March 29, the British newspaper Daily Mail reported that British Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his allies in parliament had "turned" on China because of the coronavirus crisis:

    "Ministers and senior Downing Street officials said the Communist state now faces a 'reckoning' over its handling of the outbreak and risks becoming a 'pariah state.'

    "They are furious over China's campaign of misinformation, attempts to exploit the pandemic for economic gain and atrocious animal rights abuses blamed by experts for the outbreak."

    On January 28, Johnson had granted Huawei a role in Britain's 5G mobile network, frustrating efforts by the United States to exclude the company from the West's next-generation communications, which, it seems, can also be used for spying. The London-based Financial Times reported that U.S President Donald J. Trump vented "apoplectic fury" at Johnson in a tense phone call. Johnson is now facing pressure from his Cabinet as well as from Members of Parliament to reverse his decision.

    After Chinese officials blamed the United States and Italy for starting the coronavirus pandemic, the Daily Mail quoted a British government source as saying:

    "There is a disgusting disinformation campaign going on and it is unacceptable. They [the Chinese government] know they have got this badly wrong and rather than owning it they are spreading lies."

    The newspaper continued:

    "Mr. Johnson has been warned by scientific advisers that China's officially declared statistics on the number of cases of coronavirus could be 'downplayed by a factor of 15 to 40 times.' And No. 10 believes China is seeking to build its economic power during the pandemic with 'predatory offers of help' to countries around the world.

    "A major review of British foreign policy has been shelved due to the Covid-19 outbreak and will not report until the impact of the virus can be assessed. A government source close to the review said: 'It is going to be back to the diplomatic drawing board after this. Rethink is an understatement."

    Another source said: 'There has to be a reckoning when this is over.' Yet another added: 'The anger goes right to the top.'

    "A senior Cabinet Minister said: 'We can't stand by and allow the Chinese state's desire for secrecy to ruin the world's economy and then come back like nothing has happened. We're allowing companies like Huawei not just into our economy, but to be a crucial part of our infrastructure."

    In an article published by The Mail on Sunday on March 29, former Tory Party leader Iain Duncan Smith wrote:

    "All issues can and will be discussed, except for one, it seems — our future relationship with China.

    "The moment anyone mentions China, people shift uncomfortably in their seats and shake their heads. Yet I believe it is vital that we start to discuss how dependent we have become on this totalitarian state.

    "For this is a country which ignores human rights in the pursuit of its ruthless internal and external strategic objectives. However, such facts seem to have been swept aside in our rush to do business with China.

    "Remember how George Osborne [Chancellor of the Exchequer under Prime Minister David Cameron from 2010 to 2016] made our relationship with China a major plank of UK Government policy? So determined were Ministers to increase trade that they were prepared to do whatever was necessary.

    "Indeed, I am told that privately this was referred to as Project Kow-Tow — a word defined by the Collins dictionary as 'to be servile or obsequious.'

    "We were not alone. Countless national leaders over recent years have brushed aside China's appalling human rights behavior in the blind pursuit of trade deals with Beijing....

    "Thanks to Project Kow-Tow, the UK's annual trade deficit with China is £22.1 billion ($27.4 billion). But we are not alone in being in hock to Beijing.

    "For China has racked up a global trade surplus of £339 billion ($420 billion). Distressingly, the West has watched as many key areas of production have moved to China....

    "The brutal truth is that China seems to flout the normal rules of behavior in every area of life — from healthcare to trade and from currency manipulation to internal repression.

     

    "For too long, nations have lamely kowtowed to China in the desperate hope of winning trade deals.

     

    "But once we get clear of this terrible pandemic, it is imperative that we all rethink that relationship and put it on a much more balanced and honest basis."

     

     

    philbravery:

    Ywt they still source products from China...forget governments...the people have to stand up and boycott MADE IN CHINA

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    If your economy is going down, blame it on a third party, pandemic, if you are going to crash, divert, subvert, and spread the problem and take as many countries with you as possible while claiming it came from somewhere else.

     

    They really have no other hand to play, no more cards in the deck.

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    icnif77:

    Where did you go?

     

    Big-I  surprise must inform you that pints will be deducted ... for the entire duration of your absence. 

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    ambivalentmace:

    I left China for the US, Aug 30, settled in Peachtree City, GA.

    Good timing, I suppose.

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    philbravery:

    Chinese don't play with full deck anyway...and always deal from the bottom

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    icnif77:

    If Lockdown Is A Needless Over-Reaction, Then Why Did China Lockdown Half Its Economy?

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    Everyone who reckons that the lockdown is needless and more destructive than the pandemic that triggered it has to answer this question: then why did China lockdown half its economy?

     

    As for the extrapolation of faulty data: what did the Chinese leadership learn that we don't yet know? How can we assume China's leadership over-reacted to faulty data in shutting down half their economy? More likely, they had the best available data and balanced the consequences of letting the pandemic run its course or accepting the immense economic damage of locking down most of their productive economy.

     

    Why would China's leadership have accepted the staggering economic losses of lockdown if the situation wasn't catastrophically dire?

    Those claiming the economic damage is much worse than the relatively light casualties of letting the pandemic run its course have to explain why China's leadership chose lockdown. Given the extraordinarily high costs of choosing lockdown as the response, they must have had extremely sound reasons for choosing such a painful policy.

    As many have surmised based on evidence, it seems beyond reasonable doubt that the actual death toll in Wuhan was somewhere between 10 and 100 times the official counts of around 2,500. Would China's leadership shut down most of its economy for a run-of-the-mill flu that caused a mere 2,500 deaths in a nation of 1.3 billion people? It seems unlikely.

    As a thought experiment, let's say 250,000 people died in Wuhan, not 2,500. Is lockdown still needless? Based on what assumptions about the economic damage inflicted by deaths on that scale?


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    US has of today ... "edit by the Boss: '20k' deaths" are most in the world....but you can bet they are now investigating China death toll to show them for the bullshit artists they are

    icnif77:

    Did you see this ...:

     

    https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/coronavirus-chinas-devious-move-under-cover-of-virus/news-story/3b2d4c044f76821940643eb62cfc5f62

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    Can't open the link

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    philbravery:

    Just opened it....i was saying the same thing the other week with the smoke screen post

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    icnif77:

    For some reason links from Oz are very long, so when you c&p weblink to the search engine only half of the link sit inside.

    The article above is posted here:

     

    https://www.news.com.au

     

    Feel free to join my  new News website ... 

     

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    Bastards! However you turn, it looks intentional ...

     

    More than I think, I can't find any 'face' in this cover-up

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