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Q: Chinese ABC work Permit?

I saw my first ABC work permit today.. well actually it was a photo because the actual item was at the PSB for his RP application.

 

There seems to be nothing on any Chinese forums about this subject.  So I thought I would start a thread with a deliberate title so the Google bots can do their stuff.

 

The promised credit card style ID is actually a bit of thin paper encapsulated in a standard laminated envelope. It's bigger than a credit card, so you will need a bigger wallet/purse. I suspect any modifications with scissors will be a criminal offense, so a bigger wallet it has to be.

 

The A, B or C is at the top right corner. My mate had a B. It's pretty prominent.

 

The QR code, scanned via wechat, directs you to some sort of Rules page. It seems Generic, not card holder specific, and it is all in Chinese.  It has lots of photos of lovely Chinese scenery.  It does not seem to have the info the legislation said it will have.

 

But it's a start I suppose.

 

Some facts for you folks out there who can't find info.

 

My WP card has been approved, and the WP office issue a certificate to say you have been approved. After the certificate is issued, you need to submit your original documents to the labour office. It will take 5 to 10 days to issue the card.

 

Take the card to the PSB with the usual stuff to get your residence permit.

 

Here are some facts that I will share, because I have been at crush depth over this in the past few weeks.

 

The system is new, and the PSB is very understanding. I don't have my physical work permit yet ( Laminator problems I suspect, not enough pouches), but my RP ran out today. No problem, HR and wife (cos I don't trust HR), went to PSB yesterday and submitted my application for an RP without a WP. They accept it, and ask that you bring them your WP when issued. They had the document to say the WP had been granted.

 

They give you the magic PSB passport receipt. Once you have that, you are safe. And for info, It's not tourist visa etc, It's just a receipt. You can continue working.

 

PSB told my wife they will give me a three year work RP. Depends on job contract.

 

I do not have a degree. Non teaching job. I can confirm you do not need a degree for non teaching jobs under the new system. This was a major worry for me.

 

I did not have to do a new medical.

 

You do need to present your documents as if you were applying for your first Z. But after the online WP application. If they are in your home country... you need them here.

 

Chinese HR departments have no idea how the new system works. And there is very little on the web about it. Even in Chinese.

 

As for the other stuff such as criminal checks for teachers, I have no idea.

 

There is a total lack of information out there, so lets put some info here Smile

 

And make sure your temp residence registration is up to date. They are hot on this. I had to get a new one because the local cops made a spelling mistake.

 

Hope this info is of help Smile

6 years 45 weeks ago in  Visa & Legalities - China

 
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Update.

 

I got my WP today. Not actually in my hand. I got a fuzzy photo.

 

It's the proper credit card thing now. Looks cool. Has an 18 digit Chinese ID number on it. The number is based on your date of birth.

 

I got a C grade.

 

One year.

 

Strange thing is, it has a start date but no end date. You need to scan the QR to get that.

 

Just for the record, so you folk know.

 

My history is Z, first work permit 1 year, first RP 3 years. Second work permit 2 year, third work permit 2 years, second RP 2 years.

 

That takes me to 5 years through the combinations.

 

No degree.

 

Health check with initial RP application 5 years ago. No health check and no criminal check for this new system. Engineer. Teachers might be different.

 

No mention of the 5 year rule and have to leave, no mention of the consecutive work permits that give you a 5 year RP.

 

It seems to me that they have just abolished the work permit labour department and given it to SAFEA. SAFEA are qualification mad, it's the only thing they see.

 

They don't tell you how many points you get

 

They don't tell you the scoring system. But wait for more info on that. I am setting the wife loose on SAFEA tomorrow, so hope to have more info soon.

 

The main thing is, it is possible to work here without a degree. But the Chinese Government classify you as a toilet cleaner. No matter how big your budget, no matter how many patents you have.... no degree = toilet cleaner.

 

But to be honest, I need time to clarify this. I am not sure if the real root cause is lazy HR or difficult Government.

 

So bear with me. I need to set my wife loose to try get some real facts indecision

 

 

 

 

ironman510:

Great Job man. Wonder if they will offer C class to good teachers that have experience with no degrees. That would help them.

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Sorry. Edited.It should read he gets one year RP on B catagory, I get 3 years on C visa.

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it is truly mazing that a person, in this day and age, can go from a mere peasant (C class) to an emperoron ECC.

 

the proof is in the pudding         A phrase that, when uttered, instantly identifies the speaker as being incredibly stupid and illiterate.  here is another recent example of a man rising from nowhere to be an influential soul

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_Nath_Kovind

 

the new President of India....  from a low caste to a big shot

 

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i have still not met a C grade work permit. I am the only one.

Spiderboenz:

The only Cs that I've met here have been Filipino bar singers, a "domestic helper", and an Au Pair. 

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Yeah ScotsAlan is right, has the ABC become the easiest visa to do now? Or have others been kicked out, We know a few have made it and worked their a** off to stay in China and went through hell like some our guys here on Echina.

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Update...

Fuck.

My new application was rejected this week.

No degree, not a teacher, but my pay level HR declared I get paid makes me a B rather than a C. I have a C.. same wage.

Now I need to produce tax records to prove I get paid what I get paid.

So its all about money really. If you go back to page 1 of this thread, you will probably find stuff about wage cheats... maybe page 2.

It is just astounding that we have to go through this.

Married... child... child in school.. child doing well.

Foreign dad.

Racist xenophopic cunts.

Why cant they just give us a ticket to stay?

Chinese can get UK passports. The most we can get is a ten year visa.

Most of us struggle every year to get our one or two year pass.

This has to change.

biggj123:

Well, that sucks, so being on a C what can you do for work? I know you are not supposed to teach but can you do other things?

 

I know a Canadian with a 1 year welding certificate from a community college but he got it authenticated and stamped by Canada and the Chinese embassy and they excepted it.  The degree is real but it's not a bachelor. I don't think they check too hard...im sure if its stamped by whoever it needs to be stamped by they just accept it.. Could be a freak case...but he does have a work visa from a school. Maybe just go out and get something...like a one year course or something. It sucks when you try to live full time in china...its not meant to be a place for foreigners to call home...and those who do...they make them work for it.

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Is there a reason why you can’t just get an online degree?

 

I’m going to let you in on a secret...  The government doesn’t actually want foreigners in china, so why not just take the family to the U.K.?  

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Will you and that HR be able to fix this problem? It makes me hate this place sometimes.

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Hope you get it sorted mate.

 

Nonsense like this is why a lot of China long timers I know have, or are planning to quit China. Unless there's a good reason for staying (family usually) people seem to be deciding the place just isn't worth the bullshit. It's not like it's paradise or anything,there are plenty of better options out there. 

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I have been married now for 5 years (this year)I looked at getting a green card as there are 2 types one which you can work on and one just because you are married.the marriage green card you cant work on.

 

but its still out of reach for me,I cant prove any thing.money tax,dont own a house that kind of thing.

 

I have looked into a doing a degree but its very expensive,I have looked into a Tefl diploma so I might do that at the end of March.it will take 6 months to do,I can pay half now and half later.

 

Stiggs:

The thing with doing the tefl diploma is that while it's probably useful, it isn't going to do much for your visa situation - I doubt they'd accept it instead of a degree so if that is your reason for doing it you might be better saving your money.

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After today, I can definitly say the problem is the segment between you, the applicant, and the Government. That is, the person doing the application.

To answer the above:

Biggj123. No limit on what you can do on a C. A UK mate of mine is a factory manager. Set two factorys up, employs 60 people or so, has a budget in 10s of millions.. No degree... C.

Ironman. Totally agree. The stupidity makes me hate this place too.

Stiggs... cheers mate.

Spider... I refuse to cheat. HR done my renewal application. It asked how many years experience. HR said 5. I said wrong. Its 30. But the online application only allows 5 years experience max.

RobRocks... the system is wrong. I really feel for you fella. China trap and you are not alone..Fight the system dude. Your wee boy looks to be having a great time going by your wechat.

Maybe they need a new class of visa?

Lets call it a PC visa.

PC meaning Parent of Chinese child Smile

Spiderboenz:

If a degree will give you points, and you need points to get a B, how is that cheating?  You can get points for passing certain HSK levels, so how good is your Chinese?  

 

Isn’t it safer to have the extra points?

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I got my new ABC today.... I got an upgrade to a B. Yahoo.

And by coincidence, a UK mate of mine got his today as well. He was also upgraded from C to B.

Both of us do not have degrees.

Seems the ABC sytem is being fine tuned.

iWolf:

That's good news mate. I think that the system is probably more arbitrary than points based as it suggests. More likely the brains trust assessing your application noticed a stable work history and maybe even made a ohone call or three in the due diligence element. Next we'll all be struggling to keep our jobs for the same salary when the Filipino nong min gong wave arrives imminently. Teachers initially, then every man and his dog will be on a plane prepared to do an engineer's job for 6k per month.

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Thanks Iwolf. The system is there, but it is just really strange. A B grade gives more family security than a C. So I am happy.

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I'm renewing my WP at my company now for the 5th time. I'll see how it goes. 

ScotsAlan:

Did you have a long WP under the old sytem so this is your first ABC application? If so... good luck.

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No idea. My company renewed my work permit last year around the time the changes came into effect and I didn't get a card. I'll have to see after the May holiday when I get it back. They always take my passport to renew it at that time which means I can't travel anywhere for the holiday. Bastards. 

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How do they check the new work permits? I've seen pictures of the cards and the 'occupation' field was nowhere to be seen. Instead, there is a QR code. What happens when you scan it? Also, does the 18 digit code function as a Chinese ID card? Also... are the new work permits (cards) universal by now? Thanks!

Hotwater:

If you scan the QR code using Wechat it will show you all the relevant information about the person, job, employer, expiry date, etc. 

 

As you note, the card number of s 18 digits. Chinese ID cards are 19 digits. Currently the card is useless. It can’t be used as ID

 

Yes, the new cards are being used everywhere. If you’re working legally you should have one by now as far as I knew w. Or maybe they were rolled out later than April last year in your area. In which case you’ll get one very soon when you renew. 

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It is what it is, its a card that tells the PSB to give you a Resident Permit. Than A, B , C, other than that its not detailed, its just for the PSB and SAFEA records to prove you can work here.

 

Basically saying: The card is worthless for daily life needs in China.

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george.qiaozhi:

Thanks for the details guys!

 

Does anyone check the working position? I mean, whether it says that you're a teacher 教师 or whether it says HR or something along those lines?

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ScotsAlan:

Yup. I have tried the card in hotels... nope. Tried it to enter garden complexes... nope. Passport only.

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