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Q: do the outside world envy China?

this is common everywhere,whenever someone try as much as possible to attain certain goals in life,others will criticize,envy,talk bad about him and do anything possible to discourage him from doing what he wants to.

China is a third world nation,no matter the 5000 years of history and 1.3 billion population it still remain the third world country that is trying everything possible to emerge,to progress to change and transform his image.

people  nowadays have become more dependents and lazier than before,why would I have to create my own if my brother has a similar one and i can just copy or imitate him and get what i want?

China is investing in Africa the way other western countries do,the world is not satisfied with it, China now have an aircraft carrier whether stolen or bought, the world still raise some doubt, China defends his Territories,the world still complain,have China ever provoked or fought anyone intentionally throughout her history? what would a human being ever do in life that will not raise any complain?

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I am a bit of a "global person"  I like and encourage the world to get along and maybe we will survive.........  my son, 20 years old hates China mostly because of Human Rights things that he believes China is guilty of.........  my son is a native american ..  I really think that the past is the past and the only way to survive is to look to the future ... (hmm  ..did Mao-tse-tung try this)    .......  NO  ..The world does not and should not envy China, but yes I believe that the world should learn from China .....  keeping 1.3billion people from getting collectively pissed off is not an easy thing to do..... 

the laziness is very true ...  I am 56 and retired with a pension that supports me ...  lazy ...  but then I gave my job to an unemployed young person....  I could be a productive person in society if somebody offered me a living wage...........meanwhile I just collect my pension and believe that I have done my time ...........  my chinese great grandfather, just left the rice field last year, he's 93 and was forced out by his 67 year old son....he'd rather be working

blah blah blah again  ....  

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Hate to break the news to you, it's cause China is full of shit. You guys go on about how people are jealous of you. No they aren't, people care more about their daily freedoms and shit like that. They see China as a maffia state where you have to do what you're told.

 

Chinese media TELLS you're we're jealous because that's what they've always done. Even back during the cultural revolution and great leap forward they told you CHina was the best place on the planet and anyone who disagree was a liar from the"west."

 

Here in Canada when I tell people I lived in China they say "what the ever made you want to go there?"wife is Chinese and when I told her recently about a chance for a good job that would see us both return to China she said, "You can go, but I am staying here."
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This is the truth, sorry. 

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And yes China has provoked and fought MANY people in its history, your textbooks just don't talk about it. You started wars with Vietnam, India and Russia. You are now provoking Japan, Vietnam, India, Korea, Philipines. You got involved in the Korean war and dragged it out to convince Russia to build factories in China. You propped up Pol Pot. And you constantly threaten taiwan. 

 

Honeslty, you need to read more. 

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provocation, coercion, sanctions, diplomacy..........  ways of getting your own way and all better, even though longer lasting, and nowadays futile...............  better than boots on the ground or bombs in the air..............  so much for global economy ......  can't, won't work..........  just get out of my neighborhood and I will be fine ........let's turn the clock back, so I don't even know you exist!!!!!!!!

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Envy?!!!!...............Envy?!!!!!........I got a better question...........Why did obama win the elections?!!!!!........Now THAT'S ENVY.

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Envy ...who in the hell would envy Obama's job or any politician's job..............  it is me you should be envying, I am 56, healthy, unemployed with a decent income, and living in a great tropical climate with a beautiful wife and a respectful family ......  duh...........   you keep dreaming about getting rich or something ...........  and then remember this post in your old age ............  god I envy BHGAL

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I really really really do envy you man,hhehehehehe so danm envy you,ohhh yeah I do envy you,yes ,yes i do jajajajajajaja!!!

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BHGAL:

you get to work Obama .......got to save the world ..... I'll be realaxed her for about 30-40 years ...............  come visit sometime .... I have beer and rice and chicken and seafood

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china defends it's territories? lets say i gave you my gold rolex (signed a written noterized statement to that fact) then 10 years later i found outthe rolex is an antique wort millions.  then i go banging on your door demanding that you give me my rolex or else i will attack you. if acted as if i didn't know how you ended up with my rolex, what you you call me?

TheMechanic:

Where did you get the rolex?

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Hugh.G.Rection:

But if you gave him the Rolex because he was pointing a gun at you and threatening to kill you, you may have a claim.

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Traveler:

Not after 10 years you wouldn't. Even if you tried, it would have to be decided by a court, and you would have to produce proof. China refuses to allow the International Court or United Nations to decide the matter, simply making unfounded and non-sensical claims decades later.

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dear hugh/ loke/ marty etc . peace treaties are contracts to be honored. do you agree with that point yes or no?

and if it weren't for "guns pointed to the  head" of the japanese by the usa  in ww2 much of china would still be occupied by the japanese (peace treaty) so you can't try to benefit from the process on one hand and then disregard the process on the other hand.  if you have a principled argument then you must apply it to both situations. 

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TheMechanic:

Sorry, my bad, I meant did you buy your Rolex in China? How much was it? I really want one but can't justify paying over 5 G's for a watch!

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China Rolex 20 Y

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crimochina:

trying to get off the subject. 

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mattaya:

That's called an indian giver Crimo  I thought you were an american. Remember when the indians gave the settlers some stuff then later they demanded it back. We coined that phrase the 'indian giver"!!

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We? You are Chinese, you never had Indians in China.

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crimochina:

matty what google didn't tell you  is that "we " gave the indians "their" land to live on and then we took almost all of it back. when you are actually who you say you are it shows. 

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Other than the obvious answer here, which is something along the lines of "who would envy a country that can't manage drinkable tap water?" I have one small quibble: you're misusing the term"third world." This is actually fairly forgivable as its one of the most misapplied terms in English. When Nerhu coined the term in the middle of the last century, he intended to describe nations that decided not to pick a side during the Cold War. "First World" was meant to describe NATO aligned nations, the "Second World" was made up of the world's communist nations, and the "Third World" were nations that decided not to pick a side. India, Mexico, Israel and Brazil are "third world" nations, while China is "second world." The phrase you are looking for is "developing world" but that's troublesome as well because it implies that wealthier nations are in a state of arrested development.       

TheMechanic:

Are the wealthier nations growing at a fast rate currently?

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mattsm84:

You mean in terms of GDP? Perhaps not, but that's irrelevant as growth and development aren't necessarily one in the same. Development is much more about the building of infrastructure and technological innovation.

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Does the average Chinese person have the same individual wealth as other countries, such as the Americans or Japanese? No. China ranks about 87th on the list.

 

China's economy is still only one third that of the USA, with the "wealth" to be shared among 4.5 times as many people. In reality, the average Chinese person does not see the "wealth." That is reserved for a relative few corrupt officials.

 

Nothing to be envious of there.

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A fast rate of growth isn't a concern to developed economies. We don't need an 8 per cent growth rate because 90 per cent of the country doesn't live in filth. We're actually looking at a way to sustain things

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traveler, how dare you bring hardcore facts into this discussion.??? 

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Scandinavian:

does the rest of the world boost their economy with stealing land from the people and building real-estate of incredibly poor quality to generate revenue ? Probably some, but none at the scale it is happening in China

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Crimo: The facts will probably be challenged, because they didn't come from a reliable source such as Xinhua or People's Daily.

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Nevermind: China actually needs a growth rate of over 7% just to sustain it's current standard of living. At the current rate of 7.5%, it is therefore struggling to sustain it's current standard.

 

Of course, this growth rate is based on the dubious assumption that growth figures supplied by China are accurate. It is probably significantly lower in real terms.

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Well that's just it. We don't need such a growth rate. China is so caught up in it that they are obbsessed with it because it is the only measure of success they can firmly point to, which is why it's bogus numbers anyway. In the west a 1 per cent growth rate is fine overall, sure people aren't becoming billionaires all over the place, but no one is starving and people still have comfortable lives.  

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No envy, except for the legs. I'm Ukrainian decent and heard the aircraft carrier was sold to China as scrap metal and not to be used. China did the same with railroad tracks from Canada, bought them as scrap and built a railroad.

 China is well known for rude behaviour and customs.

Then there's the Chinese squawt toilet, definitely no envy there.

TheMechanic:

What rude behavior and customs are they well known for?

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mechanic. Typie in "Chinese people are rude" on google and look at how many hits you get. 

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Traveler:

Actually, a term of sale by the Ukraine was that the aircraft carrier not be used for military purposes, to which China readily agreed. They said they were intending to turn it into a floating casino.

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crimochina:

so china violates another written contract. haha

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derek:

Case closed...again!

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my reply is missing? I thought TheMechanic may be a reincarnate of Loke or Noballs. ha ha, I was just BS about what I heard of the carrier.

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Simply Yes..Western World is not able to digest that an Asian Country without their support and being in their block (Like Japan and South Korea) has rose to that level that now is in a position to challenge any Country in the world..Economically and Strategically....

mattsm84:

If that were true, wouldn't criticism of India and Singapore be more pronounced? 

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An "Asian country without their support" do you have any idea how much aid China has received from the west over the years? You really think they would be where they are without the west being nice enough to ALLOW trade with China? Give me a break. 

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China's "rise" was due totally to foreign investment. Not because of China, and not because of any other country. Because of international companies and corporations investing in China.

 

If something were to happen that weakened confidence in that foreign investment, China would find itself in dire straits indeed. Not just the rising wages or production costs. Things like suing an American computer giant for $2 billion dollars, or burning down Japanese factories.

 

It's called "biting the hand that feeds you."

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Yeah, because the western world just hates Japan and South Korea, two of the world's most highly developed economies....

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"THEY TUK R JABSSSSSS"

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"China defends his territories" - there's a strange thing that happens with China and her 'territories'.

 

As soon a a valuable resource is found in/on one of it's neighbors land, that land suddenly becomes inviolate Chinese territory - no matter how ridiculously dodgy a legal or historical claim this may be. Then the Chinese government gets very hurt and upset that they're being so picked on when all they're doing is defending their 'territory' - to which they have no reasonable claim. Silliness - but dangerous silliness for the world.

 

To answer your headline question- I'd say a lot of countries would like to have China's official growth figures, certainly. Beyond that, I'm not convinced.  I do agree that they're trying to change their international image - but I'd argue that's all that's being changed: the image. The reality remains the same.

MissA:

Also, what's up your writing today, Obama? You're usually a much better writer than that!

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Sure, the world envies China and wealthy Chinese can't wait to leave China and/or send their children to study overseas. Sure, whatever you say.

This dog won't hunt.

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ENvy is a strong word so I would have to say no!

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As you know the main thing is that the rest of the world is SO jealous of China's 5000 year old history they just want to invade or do bad things.

 

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Envy how? For what reason?

jknox00:

7000 years of history. Don't you feel a little jealous?

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China does not have a 7,000 year history, nor does it have anything to be jealous of. Australia, however, has a 40,000 year history, and is a developed country. It also has a much higher standard of living, and has a richer population.

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North America has 15,000 years of history. That was when the first immigrants arrived, they are still coming.

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jknox00:

Nelson style - HA Haaaa... you guys are just jealous. Australia is what.. 200 years old lol.

Canada - USA just about the same.

            Meanwhile China has 9000 years of unbroken history and clearly you are so jealous you have to make things up and cause trouble lol

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First you say China has a 7,000 year history, then you say 9,000 years. Can you refer us to a reliable source that can confirm either of these claims?

 

The Australian Aboriginal has the world's oldest existing culture, at least 40,000 years, and possibly up to 75,000 years old, according to Australian Geographic http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/journal/Aboriginal-Australians-the-oldest-culture-on-Earth.htm

 

This same article provides scientific proof that Australian Aborigines were the first humans to reach Asia. By China's reasoning, this gives Australia a strong historical claim to China and Asia.

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Holy moley! In that case Ethiopia must be the best country on earth and totally not a shithole.

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LAR:

9819, exactly!! "Does................China?" Well, aside from the official growth figures as Miss A mentioned..NO!!!!!!!!

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Envy...nah! I can't imagine why.

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I would say on this one that it's just the government that gives China the bad name, there is too much corruption and they know it. Things have changed in the last couple of decades and the new era of Xi Jinping is in my opinion a good thing for the China, he has already begun the crackdown with the mayor of sichuan.

 

When I told my sisters that I was coming to China they asked me why I would want to go there and I said because I wanted to see the world, all they said was you couldn't pay them to go there! I laughed!

 

China is a beautiful country (outside of the cities) and has warm-hearted and friendly people, these are the things that the western media fails to show. Just like the Chinese media fails to show what the West is really like at times.

 

Every country has it's good and it's bad, most fail to mention Indonesia that has corruption far worse than China. For example, you can buy your driving license by simply going to the police station directly - there is no cover up and underhandedness about it. Same for when you get stopped for driving, you just give the police officer a small token gift of cold, hard cash and you're on your way.

 

 China has lot's to offer and as a foreigner living here there is lot's of opportunity for us, more than I could find back home in the current climate. Here I don't have to worry one little bit about the "fiscal cliff" or the "economic downturn", I am able to get on with my life and have an extremely high standard of living compared to the west.

 

I also think that other countries do envy China, based on the fact that they have their economy running well and they don't have much debt. Check online to see how much America / Europe owe China in bailout money, you'll be shocked. Also, the west cannot survive without China, whilst China could survive without the west through it's current investments in developing nations. In the next few years we are about to see China overtake the US's economy and in the next decade or so it will be around 3-4 times larger than the US economy, say's a lot for a "third-world country", right?

kchur:

If you buy that I got a nice property down in Florida I could sell ya.

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But I'm not rich, I'd need to work. Where are all the jobs at in the US/UK? I have friends in both countries (I'm from the UK btw) and they are either out of work or taking pay cuts. The property prices have dropped for sure, but they're still out of reach for most. Here in China the market is still good, prices are reasonable unless you're living in Shanghai/Beijing/Shenzhen/Guangzhou/etc then they're just ridiculous, but the rest of of China the property price reflects that of the income level.

 

Now if I were to buy your property in Florida, I would need either cash or a good solid credit record (which most no longer have since 2008), a steady job (another thing most are struggling to find).

 

I know for sure that unless I had endless cash, living in the west is a waste of time. I've done the maths for myself and also in my corporate classes. My income level here is about half what I made in the UK, but my spending here (on rent/bills/car payment) is about 1/3 of back home, that 1/3 is also putting me in a much nicer apartment and I've been able to afford to buy a car and eat out at fancy restaurants more often than I ever did in the UK. Life here is simply a higher standard, the only thing we forgo is the air quality and environmental pollution, which I'm sure will change in the coming years. I read a report on the BBC today that even the UK isn't doing so well in this area lately and has failed to meet EU quota's, the US is also notorious for not signing that agreement a few years back that would have meant the US is forced to cut it's emissions and why? because that would mean the closure of yet more factories.

 

China isn't afraid of closing factories, Dongguan has been a manufacturing capital for decades and now factories are closing or relocating, Dongguan has also issued a ban on vehicles that are over a certain emmission from entering the downtown area and the city is moving to be a more office based city that factory based. There are 2 CBDs in Dongguan and they are set to become bigger. China is moving in the right direction whereas the west are too complacent.

 

So, finally I would like to say no! I do not want to buy your house in Florida.

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hiddenjelly:

Can't understand why I would get voted down for giving a realistic point about the situation of China and the situation of the west. I've just summarized information that is found freely on the Internet.

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LAR:

"I would.....................they know it." That is a bunch of b.s. and a slap in the face to the foreign expats that live here, and the many difficulties and injustices that they have experienced! "I also................much debt." All you've talked about is economics..num-

bers..that is not everything! Keep drinking the kool-aid.

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Well, I am an expat also. I have been in China for 3 years and have been much more successful here than in my own country, why because China gives you opportunity, if you want to try something, you can. I have tried several business ideas here and have had most of them fail, but it's been easy to restart and I haven't had to put a lot of money into them, because I don't have a lot of money. I came to China with nothing (around 10k rmb) and have worked in training centers for 5-6k/month I decided that I didn't want to earn so little so I started looking at other things I could do here. Now I have corporate training classes, a design business and I import (not export) goods.

 

I know people here in China who have a terrible life (expats) and I can see the reason why, they don't have motivation to try something new or try and change, they just complain about China and how they are so poor, well there is opportunity! I charge over 500rmb/hour to teach students in companies, how did I get those companies? by getting off my ass and going door-to-door! Anybody can do that, can you make easy cash like that back home? NO!

 

I talk about numbers simply because the question of the OP was "do the outside world envy China?" My response was that they envy the numbers and the economy.

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I would say on this one that it's just the government that gives China the bad name, there is too much corruption and they know it. Things have changed in the last couple of decades and the new era of Xi Jinping is in my opinion a good thing for the China, he has already begun the crackdown with the mayor of sichuan.

 

When I told my sisters that I was coming to China they asked me why I would want to go there and I said because I wanted to see the world, all they said was you couldn't pay them to go there! I laughed!

 

China is a beautiful country (outside of the cities) and has warm-hearted and friendly people, these are the things that the western media fails to show. Just like the Chinese media fails to show what the West is really like at times.

 

Every country has it's good and it's bad, most fail to mention Indonesia that has corruption far worse than China. For example, you can buy your driving license by simply going to the police station directly - there is no cover up and underhandedness about it. Same for when you get stopped for driving, you just give the police officer a small token gift of cold, hard cash and you're on your way.

 

 China has lot's to offer and as a foreigner living here there is lot's of opportunity for us, more than I could find back home in the current climate. Here I don't have to worry one little bit about the "fiscal cliff" or the "economic downturn", I am able to get on with my life and have an extremely high standard of living compared to the west.

 

I also think that other countries do envy China, based on the fact that they have their economy running well and they don't have much debt. Check online to see how much America / Europe owe China in bailout money, you'll be shocked. Also, the west cannot survive without China, whilst China could survive without the west through it's current investments in developing nations. In the next few years we are about to see China overtake the US's economy and in the next decade or so it will be around 3-4 times larger than the US economy, say's a lot for a "third-world country", right?

mattsm84:

China isn't a 3rd world country. India, Isreal, and Brazil are third world. Its got nothing to do with development. Communism= 2nd world.

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I know China isn't a third world country. That's why its hyphenated, I was referring to some of the other posts in this question who refer to it as a third world country!

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