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Q: Do you really hate China or are you just venting?

At face value a significant amount of posters on this forum appear to hate China and perhaps are even racist. Now that is up to you, I'm not going to start making accusations about that, but I have the 'usual' questions.

 

If you hate China and the Chinese so much, why do you stay?

Do you say these things to Chinese people you meet?

 

Of course many of you may just be 'venting', again your choice. In general I love China, of course there are things I find annoying, but I keep them to myself or at least to the confines of my close friends. I try to think of it along the lines of how I would like immigration to be in the UK (my home country), I would prefer it if the immigrants would attempt to integrate and get along, so that is what I am trying here. My exception is the insanely dangerous driving habits, that one I REALLY struggle to contain.

 

And please note, I am NOT pointing ANY fingers at any one poster or any group of posters.

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Um, yeah, oops, this is a pretty accurate description of me, actually, although I don't think I'm racist. I expected to love China, but I didn't, I disliked life there very much indeed. I wouldn't say hate, though.... that's going too far.

 

So I left. I came back to a country that I do love and am considerably happier here. I look back on my time in China with a great deal of sadness. My time in China was an unhappy time and, even though I consider myself pretty good at adapting to new places and things, I could not cut through the bullshit to make any meaningful connection with a single Chinese person in the whole time I was in the country. The silver lining was the support I received from the few westerners I knew.

 

I don't think it's always as easy as simply saying: 'if you don't like it, leave' (I know you're not saying this Hugh, but it is a common refrain). Most expats have work/family/financial commitments that make leaving difficult. For me, in the end, us leaving was surprisingly easy and absolutely the right choice.

ED Should also add: those people 'just venting' are not neccessarily wrong in their statements about China either. China does probably have more bullshit (sorry mod) per capita than any place I've been.... and there's a lot of people!

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Well, some do not have access to fellow expats except on this site.  And many rather share their venting here, where they will not offend their Chinese friends or give China a bad image to their friends back in the West.  Here, there are people who love being in China and who have gone through similar situations who may offer solutions, insight or even just a simple "I hear ya".

Speaking only for myslef, I am the only Westerner in my university.  I do not want to complain about certain things here in China with my friends back in the West because many of them are still stuck in the Cold War or, will only concentrate on the negative aspects. I learned this early on, when I was new here. I was letting off some steam on webcam with a buddy of mine back home and he asked "why do you stay in that sh*t hole".

Here, it is almost like "family" (along with squabbles, etc). We let out our steam here, we get our advice or sympathy here, and we dont offend our Chinese friends in real life nor do we give a poor image of China overseas.

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Um, yeah, oops, this is a pretty accurate description of me, actually, although I don't think I'm racist. I expected to love China, but I didn't, I disliked life there very much indeed. I wouldn't say hate, though.... that's going too far.

 

So I left. I came back to a country that I do love and am considerably happier here. I look back on my time in China with a great deal of sadness. My time in China was an unhappy time and, even though I consider myself pretty good at adapting to new places and things, I could not cut through the bullshit to make any meaningful connection with a single Chinese person in the whole time I was in the country. The silver lining was the support I received from the few westerners I knew.

 

I don't think it's always as easy as simply saying: 'if you don't like it, leave' (I know you're not saying this Hugh, but it is a common refrain). Most expats have work/family/financial commitments that make leaving difficult. For me, in the end, us leaving was surprisingly easy and absolutely the right choice.

ED Should also add: those people 'just venting' are not neccessarily wrong in their statements about China either. China does probably have more bullshit (sorry mod) per capita than any place I've been.... and there's a lot of people!

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if i say it is wrong for the govt to forcibly abort a fetus (murder under chinese law) does that mean i hate china? does that mean i am racist against chinese people? if i say it i wrong to  have cancer/ aids camps (and deny them access to medical treatment) in order to hide the fact that they exist. does that make me a racist? does that mean i hate china? If i say it is wrong to show complete disregard for the life of someone else (your own countrymen) by aiming your car into a crowd of people , stepping on the gas while blowing the horn. does that mean i hate chinese people? if i say it is wrong to live with no food health or safety standards, because people could die unnecessarily. un top of that have doctors lie and tell people they have frost bite in 20C degree weather, in order to cover for the fact they have some type of poisoning from bad oil. does that mean i'm a racist and that i hate china?  If i say people should be educated and not indoctrinated does that make me a bad person? I can live with the filthy cultural habits (spitting , crapping anywhere everywhere) i can work around the lieing scamming cheating. but i can not stand by and watch other human beings suffering in 2012.

 

WUMAO (nice to see you decided to put some mileage on your other account)  FAIL!

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Yep, I hate China and am totally racist (not prejudiced, as you are using the word, but racist, in the classical sense of the definition) against Chinese people.

Edit: Thanks so much for the "thumbs down!" Obviously, English is not your native language, as evidenced by the fact that you cannot recognize satire. You are blinded by your own prejudice (what you would call racism), I suppose.

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It's definitely just venting. People complain all the time, but you're living in China surrounded by Chinese it is not so easy too. Chinese are so sensitive about China and their culture, if you say something critical they get very sensitive.

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I do hate China. I actually do. I will say so. I enjoy my life here, but most things Chinese are terrible. Let me give a few examples

-High suicide rates

-No concept of honor, only face

-Crass materialism (LV buys the front page of a newspaper?)

-No civic sense of virtue (Wang Yue Yue)

-Corruption

-Censorship

-Doublespeak

-Amorality allowed for men, punished for women

-one of the Highest rates of automobile deaths per capita

Getting drunk now....

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It's not that I hated China, and it's not that I didn't have an idea of what I was getting into when I went over there, but I think all the little things get to you rather quickly. I suppose what really turned me off from going back is the fact that you never get a straightforward and informative answer, and people didn't volunteer information that could have been useful. "If/then" didn't seem to be in their vocabulary, only "maybe." For example, say someone asks me if I want to go on a trip. However, if I didn't ask, they wouldn't tell me anything, like how long it would take to get there, how long we would stay, if I needed to bring anything. Well, perhaps that's because they don't really know themselves. Which leads to another point of disorganization, even on the simplest level. I'm not exactly organized, my apartment was usually a mess, but if I plan to go somewhere or do something, I know what I need to know. However, will anybody be willing to give me the answers I need? Don't even get me started on how much of a headache it is to find a decent job online. Sure, there are plenty of jobs, but how many are actually decent and do what they promise? I was also hoping to improve my Mandarin, however there are several obstacles in the way that made it unlikely. For instance, people that spoke to me wanted to practice their English, but even more than that, so many of them didn't have good Mandarin. Since the people I spoke to came from many different cities, there was no one standard accent to draw from, it made it quite difficult to learn Mandarin properly. There were some positives, like learning to live in apartment with cockroaches and gaining confidence, but I think the negatives totally outnumber them. I think what disappointed me most is that to truly have a positive experience, you have to dig your roots in and make a real commitment to live in China, which was not my goal. 

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WUMAO IT IS TIME TO SET UP SOME NEW ACCOUNTS. YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. 

when you tout usa "amorality" (because porn is legal) you clearly are talking with your head up your ass. in china young girls are allowed to be kidnapped and sold as wives or massage girls. part of the 1 child policy enforcement. and you claim to be a member of amnesty intl. seriously??? and you are supporting a govt that allows gang to dismember human beings so that they can go on the street and beg for money??? you use usa usa as your examples. usa is among the worse out of western countries and it still does not have half the problems china has. 

 

you are exposed. lokethebloke, gaohao, and hughgrection (that name itself reveals you as chinese no expat would ever use that name, not the reason you think, please no one tell him)

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Chomsky is good.  

USA does not?

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Why is it that people assume that if a person complains about something, that they must hate it?

 

If I hate something, I truly wouldn't even give it a thought because I would see it as a complete waste of my time.  I complain about things because I see the potential of what it could be.  I complain because I feel pain for how they treat each other, let alone foreigners.

 

When I am in the US, I complain about things I see there as well.  If you live someplace and you don't see anything to complain about, then you just don't care.

 

Complaining is a way to effect change.  If enough people hear your complaints, they realize that they are not alone in their dislike of something.  So they complain and eventually the voices get loud enough where change can be effected, even if it is on a micro level.

 

Do I hate China?  No.  There are aspects of China life that I don't like.  And those things I will complain about because it is in a persons nature.

 

Do I hate the US?  No.  There are aspects of US life that I don't like.  And those things I will complain about because it is in a persons nature.

 

The same can be said about any country, even the UK.  I lived there for several years and it is no paradise either.

 

Every place has its good points and its bad points.  If you don't complain about/see the bad points, then you are either blind or you really hate that place.

 

And trust me, I have enough Chinese friends to know that a LOT of the same things we complain about here, they also complain about.  They just rarely complain about them in public because they are afraid of losing face/repercussions from others.

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I have NEVER been critical or for that matter, praised China, I just hold up a mirror to those who are constantly whining about and hostile to China.   I will continue to use a mirror to these people no matter how many are broken by their hostile and childish behaviour.    I happen to believe that those of us who are here should have more respect for our host country.

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This country is dirty and polluted beyond repair the people are rude and immoral and the government is a horribly corrupt autocracy disguised as a communist state.

If you want to read fluff about how wonderful China is I suggest you stick to the People's Daily and not hang out at an expat site.

The only thing that keeps bringing me back to China are the girls (like my gf) and the fact that I have no choice because of my job.

For all you China lovers out there...tell me why China is the greatest and why I should worship it blindly and without objection like the masses of the IQ challenged CCTV watching population.

I complain because I can..unlike the oppressed masses in China.

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I don't hate China but guys......whatever you do....don't criticize their English. It seems they are not fans of that and have trouble accepting it. Oh, and don't ever hurt their feelings. That's not good either. 

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  You know, I came to this site because I thought it would be a bit of fun, but hearing as much China bashing as this is just boring. Don't any of you realise that what you say has a knock on effect, and it's other foreigners who are going to take the knocks?

  I read that hate-filled battle between some of you and Lokethebloke (no relation, believe it or not) and it occurred to me that what made it such an ugly scene rather than a healthy debate was that he took a crack at America. It seemed that some of you became so insensed by that verbal attack on your country, that had he been at arms length he would have been in very real physical danger. Now what makes you think that the things you say about China do not have the very same negative consequences?

  I've recognized a great deal of intelligence in most everyone i've observed - even Crimo, for all his clear derangement, is clearly not devoid of intelligence, he's just angry. The problem is it's that knowledge of your own self-worth which makes you feel validated in stripping others so casually of theirs, to I believe, potentially dangerous effect.

  Anyway, my half-Chinese son is crying, so I must leave.

  This site also is clearly not for me, so I must leave. I do not expect to be missed.

 

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Ahhh. I've missed this. The drama! The arguments! I love it! 

 

In regards to the question, there are many things I hate about China. I hate how no one seems to understand basic manners. I hate how I can't flush toilet paper. I hate how idiots let their kids poop and pee everywhere. But I also love many things like beer, scenery, pirated movies etc etc.

 

The fact is that China is exactly the same as any other country. There are good things and bad things. If these "angry" people were living in their home country then you can rest assured that they'd probably be angry there too. 

 

If you don't like them knocking on China then don't read their posts. Simple fix.

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