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Q: Has anyone gotten a non crimial record in China?
What do you need to get one done?
8 years 5 weeks ago in Visa & Legalities - China
I actually have some personal experience with this. A friend from europe had worked in china then married a Canadian she met here. She wanted to immigrate to Canada. The Canadian government required this check. I went with her to the police to translate.
In this case it was simple. If you are a foreigner, go IN PERSON to the police station where you were last registered. They can give you a check for the city. Province and National level checks are impossible since the records are not network linked. After a few days you can pick it up for no charge and take it to the Notary Office and pay around 3-4 hundred rambos. A few more days and Bob's your uncle.
The other was recently for a mate at home whose girlfriend wanted to work in Oz. Our government wanted it.This one is more complicated. I had to send her copies of my passport, res permit and fec. She had to write something in chinese about giving me authority to do some things and sign each copy. She had to send me her original ID, Hukou book and Passport. A couple of trips to the Hukou office because no one knew what to do, visit the police, go back a few days later, go to notary office, go back a few days later, pay cash. Then send it all back. This one sounds more easy than it was. In fact it was a nightmare. Don't get involved in something like this. Me, a whitie, doing this for a chinese person who was in another country was too much to comprehend for most of the people i was dealing with. Most thought it was my business....because who would help out a mate for free??
Chhris:
If I plan to work on and off in China for the next several years would it be a good idea to always get this criminal check from the local police whenever I am leaving? I also plan to emigrate to an other country in the EU at some point of my life.
iWolf:
It's up to you but I see no point in getting it done unless you need it. Wait until you are asked for it and do it then. It is easy to do
icnif77:
@Chris: 'I just wanted to know, should I start asking Qs about it now or 10 years from now? I have many Qs...'
I'd say, you should start practicing climbing over the Great Wall since you're close by. EU is going under the wall soon....Are you going to work in London's McD? I heard, that UK Gov grants citizenship, if somebody works in McD 5 years. Then you can became English Native teacher. Just 5 years in UK, and here is your 'UK passport'. Who told me that? Let me check PM messages I got from Chris w/ sub-title 'coaching EU passport holder about EU/UK immigration laws and policy'.....
warning: 'moron with handle Chris behind the keyboard' !
icnif77:
Stop repeating facts that aren't true/viable. Are you retarded?
Didn't I explain to you, that even EU passport holder can't change nationality to Brit by working in England 5 years?
Stop using word 'help you' and then join on the bandwagon I was wrong as above! 'Help' & 'bash' are two opposite things!
I write advices here based on my experience, in other words 'that's what happened to me'.
You can't get Non-criminal certificate in China i.e. from Chinese police. Non-criminal certificate must come from your country of origin, at least mine did.
What do you need to do? You must ask for it at admin. of Police in your city of permanent residence (city stated in your passport as your permanent address), and if you come from Japan, Morocco, Tanzania and similar, you must get it translated to English language.
Best advice on how to get Non-criminal cert, you could get at your Embassy in China.
icnif77:
It isn't logical, I agree. I live in China last 7 years, so I should ask Chinese cops for it. (too). In 2014, while I was waiting for Z documents in EU, rep told me I must get Non-criminal cert.
Now, our cops know I don't live there ever, but just visit here and there.
In the end I got it, and then I had to translate it. Office asked me which language, and I picked English, because Chinese was more expensive
.
Chhris:
" It isn't logical. I live in China last 7 years, so I should ask Chinese cops for it. (too). In 2014, while I was waiting for Z documents in EU, rep told me I must get Non-criminal cert.
Now, our cops know I don't live there ever, but just visit here and there.
In the end I got it, and then I had to translate it. Office asked me which language, and I picked English, because Chinese was more expensive."
And you wanted to teach at university level here with this English?
icnif77:
Yeah, I know! 
Uni forget to ask you about should they hire me or no!
They are sloppy,..and you are a moron!
Dig a bit more, and I'll post all your retarded PM questions, you molested me few months ago!
I actually have some personal experience with this. A friend from europe had worked in china then married a Canadian she met here. She wanted to immigrate to Canada. The Canadian government required this check. I went with her to the police to translate.
In this case it was simple. If you are a foreigner, go IN PERSON to the police station where you were last registered. They can give you a check for the city. Province and National level checks are impossible since the records are not network linked. After a few days you can pick it up for no charge and take it to the Notary Office and pay around 3-4 hundred rambos. A few more days and Bob's your uncle.
The other was recently for a mate at home whose girlfriend wanted to work in Oz. Our government wanted it.This one is more complicated. I had to send her copies of my passport, res permit and fec. She had to write something in chinese about giving me authority to do some things and sign each copy. She had to send me her original ID, Hukou book and Passport. A couple of trips to the Hukou office because no one knew what to do, visit the police, go back a few days later, go to notary office, go back a few days later, pay cash. Then send it all back. This one sounds more easy than it was. In fact it was a nightmare. Don't get involved in something like this. Me, a whitie, doing this for a chinese person who was in another country was too much to comprehend for most of the people i was dealing with. Most thought it was my business....because who would help out a mate for free??
Chhris:
If I plan to work on and off in China for the next several years would it be a good idea to always get this criminal check from the local police whenever I am leaving? I also plan to emigrate to an other country in the EU at some point of my life.
iWolf:
It's up to you but I see no point in getting it done unless you need it. Wait until you are asked for it and do it then. It is easy to do
icnif77:
@Chris: 'I just wanted to know, should I start asking Qs about it now or 10 years from now? I have many Qs...'
I'd say, you should start practicing climbing over the Great Wall since you're close by. EU is going under the wall soon....Are you going to work in London's McD? I heard, that UK Gov grants citizenship, if somebody works in McD 5 years. Then you can became English Native teacher. Just 5 years in UK, and here is your 'UK passport'. Who told me that? Let me check PM messages I got from Chris w/ sub-title 'coaching EU passport holder about EU/UK immigration laws and policy'.....
warning: 'moron with handle Chris behind the keyboard' !
icnif77:
Stop repeating facts that aren't true/viable. Are you retarded?
Didn't I explain to you, that even EU passport holder can't change nationality to Brit by working in England 5 years?
Stop using word 'help you' and then join on the bandwagon I was wrong as above! 'Help' & 'bash' are two opposite things!
I write advices here based on my experience, in other words 'that's what happened to me'.
Be aware - some agencies will tell you it's not their job, go see someone else.
i haven't had this problem yet, but It was described in detail on another forum.. about going to the police, who said 'no, not us - go see Notary Office"... who said "no, not us, you have to go to XYZ first"... who said "no, not us, you need to go to the police first".
Apparently, yes, it is as Wolfie described above - the police have the legal responsibility to do the check first, and the Notary Office have to do the notorising, and no-one else should be involved!
i had a friend get a criminal record check for his time in china, it was required for a new position when he started teaching in vietnam. police with a notary, took about 3 days in jinan.
has anyone been in the situation where they're back at home or in another country and they find they need this criminal check? Coming back to China to do it might not be an option.
Would the Chinese embassy in whatever country you're in be able to help at all?
Stiggs:
That's what I assumed from reading it too. I'm sure the embassy was the first place they checked, but I was wondering if anyone has had any direct experience with this.
I'm going home this year and am wondering if I should get a police check done while I'm still here just in case.
icnif77:
I guess, you could get Chinese Non-crim cert. through the Chinese Embassy in your home country.
icnif77:
NOooo, whoo-hoo- NO!
Approach Chinese Embassy, and give funds you saved for traveling to China to me (good cause)
.
Chinese Embassy in your country purpose is to help/manage matters concerning your living in China, as issuing Chinese visas, help with matters concerning Chinese Gov/police/I didn't commit crime, while living in China and similar.
These are few reasons, why Embassies are open in your country!
'There's a moon over Burboun Street......the brim of my hat....' and so h-on...
Yes, the government came in for an evaluation and we were required to get one. There is a special office for this. It's not the PSB, it's some type of security checking office
I didn't register in the place I have been living in for almost two years. My work never took me to the police station to do it. Will this cause a problem? Also my residents permit says I actually work in a differen city. Will this too cause problems?
icnif77:
I'd say, that isn't your responsibility, but your employer's/RP sponsor. You can't know, what your RP says, unless you are Chinese and can read characters.
You could disregard it or you could dial SAFEA, and seek info there. However, if there are irregularities, school will suffer.
icnif77:
@Shining: How can I know, where is the place of work, if FEC is in Chinese? I can't even know, what is written on RP, except numbers/dates.
That's about your 'legal responsibility of FT'. I disagree, and it can't stand in any Court in the world. 'FT responsibility' matter.
I worked under F 2009-2011, and I contacted SAFEA in the middle of 11 with this: 'I must go and do, whatever School is telling me. I didn't ask them to get F visa for me. My visa was agency's choice.'
Got all help and support from Gov, last pay and what not. And Helen, got revoked license to hire FT or something similar.
My CV holds all schools I worked under F visa, and SAFEA knows, when I had which kind of visa. Didn't ever hear anything about it from anybody.
If the raid happened and I am caught working under wrong visa, they'll expel me from China. OK. But, I am not responsible, if School sponsored wrong visa!
FT is responsible to go to police, and tell he's living in the city? How am I responsible, if RP sponsor didn't take me to the Police for residence claim? Even if I go to police myself, how we'll communicate? Are Chinese cops trained in sign language?
It is RP sponsor responsibility for all this! We can bet, and you dial SAFEA with Q. I'll honor, whatever you'll tell me they said, but I am sure you'll loose! No doubt about it!
Sinobear:
@fluffy: You should know that almost every country has the line, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" in their law books.
icnif77:
Yeah Sino I got that, but tell me how am I suppose to know, where is my dedicated work place/city out of FEC?
The matter never reach the Court, but if it would, there's no chance I am responsible. Not because I shouldn't ignore the Law/regulations, but because I am not able to read/understand FEC or 'it wasn't explained to me in English'.
Chinese know that (International law), so every school MUST have Chinese English speaker to coach laowai through the Chinese regulations hoops, in other words 'School must be aware of the regulations....', or in Law terms 'FT's responsibility is limited/excused at such violations....'.
At RP extension, copper has 2' speech in English about Chinese Law prohibitions considering 'laowai', and then also in Chinese to the rep, who translates the whole thing to FT.
@ Banfusan.
Why the hell have you never registered where you're living for two years? Where did you register each year before you got your new RP? You have to be registered somewhere to get the RP.
You've been posting on ECC for two years now. Have you learnt nothing here?
RP in one city, working in a different city. Only one reason for that. Employer is current city can't get employment license.
You should also know the rules on registering. You're work won't have taken you there because they'd have been questioned as to why your RP was issued in another city.
How is do you think you'll get a non-criminal record from the city you live when you've never registered there?
Sorry to be harsh but you've been on this site for two years and haven't learnt a thing.
Many advice? Firstly speak to your employer. Find out if they registered you in the city where your RP was issued. Explain that you must get the non-crim certificate cats. If they prevaricate then tell them you're going to phone SAFEA for guidance/advice.
Secondly phone SAFEA anyway! Technically you've been working illegally. Though as its not actually your fault they'll help you.
iWolf:
Do you reckon safea will help him or go all 100 years of humiliation on his arse for taking the piss so overtly. Ignorance of the law is no excuse but i doubt that is the case here. More like the boss of the company can't employ laowai so gets his old mate to do it in a different city. He may as well be working on a tourist visa for all the legal difference it will make. When he goes to get the police check they will put it all together. It may not turn out as expected should they decide to drop charges of: visa breach, illegally working, fail to register, defraudong fec dudes, lying on government forms. The police report could go from empty to full because chinese just love it when foreigners treat them and their laws with utter contempt.
iWolf:
I'd give up a couple of "Emperor's New Jackets" if this didn't happen
icnif77:
first I , then I read .... Scots must be busy....LOLOL
I don't experience such thing with my Nokia in red... HK$ 190. How much is I-plod? You could get 100 of mines at least...in diff. colors 
'add-it-after-I-read-it': 'you're all judging and measuring SAFEA's reach and responsibilities...'. Why would you do that?
You are ALL wrong!
SAFEA is the only (one) Chinese Gov establishment dedicated to 'laowai' in China! Dial them, and ask for the help! That's all I did in 2011, and ......Let them tell you where you should go/turn for viable solution. That's all it is with 'dial SAFEA'.
I dialled them first time, not because I knew they'll help me. I asked them for help, guidance and suggestions, in other words 'I played stupid laowai game', and I knew 'I am the only winner...' just between you&me. I knew it, and if I would be wrong, I was ready to exit to Vietnam and work as an English teacher there with having close-to-marriage-GF in China. That's why I tag myself 'I don't take prisoners...too often!' You play with me, you loose! Many did..!
Anybody remembers my 'Law defence thread from USA?' Purpose of posting that thread was 'let's me see IQ you posses you all Native English, while you're bashing my written Englo.....'
I'd say, shouldn't I be more proud than you all spotting your native speak? English is my who knows which one...buTT..that's all I have in English. OK.
I killed and saved the bird in the same time, by bird's being set-up by US Gov! You just didn't ask too many Qs to understand the whole matter in details, and I didn't want to show-off....in short 'US Gov played the game with moi and lost!' Unprovoked by me! US Gov, that is!
Rest you know! It might be unbelievable, but it is true!
Fact is: 'I was born like that! I can't help it! It's all my mum's fault!'
C'mon, I can't made-it-up all that! What is wrong with all you thinking that?
'Greetings in the name of his majesty-SAFEA-Pimpls up-O2, o2...yaah-Laa, rastaMan vibration positive.....Live as you wanna live.....it's the new day, ohh what a new day...pickin' up now....yaH-Laa yaH-Laa protect us.....If you get down and you quarrel everyday, You're saying prayers to the devils, I say. Wo-oh-ooh! Why not help one another on the way? Make it much easier. (Just a little bit easier)....'
Hotwater:
You need to get a new phone to avoid double posting ;-)
i agree and thought I'd been a bit harsh in what I wrote late last night. We've all read the stories on here and other forums of companies, including the big training mills, getting dodgy work permits/RP's in one city and then the teacher working in another city. We all know it's because they aren't licensed to employ foreigners at their other branch.
What came to mind just now is that Banfusan must have known there was something not right. You've got to go in person to apply for the RP. Yes he never thought to question why he was applying for an RP in one city yet the job was in another city?
Shining_brow:
Legally you have to register - but what happens if you don't?
Well, unless the police come knocking - nothing (until this comes up). So, easy not to register.
Hotwater:
@ Saint, you need to be registered to apply for the WP & RP first time. After that up to you if you don't but reputable employers get you to do it (my first two years here was on a 30-day entry business visa, still paid back in the UK. I was re-registered by the company EVERYTIME I did a visa run!)
You also need to be registered when you renew your RP so the more I think about the OP's position & question it doesn't sound right. Registering after getting an RP gets you a 1-year registration.....think about it
iWolf:
If you don't register problems may occur when applying for new res permits. Should the good old boys come to your residence or work place and you have never registered, expect a good fine and a major fuck around getting a new visa at best. At worst...who knows.
icnif77:
iWolf, you must be affiliated with 'Jimmy-Two-Times' from .. can't remember the movie tittle ..'The Goodfellas
'...he got that nick-name, 'cause everything he said he said it two-times: I got to get the papers, get the papers....'
I am watching it next. Great flick.
