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Q: Hello guys, i need some help finding ESL jobs in china

I live in Pakistan and have a masters in English linguistics, a C2 language qualification, a 160-hour tefl from Cambridge, and 3 years of university teaching experience but for some reason, i cant seem to land an interview with any school. No one seems even remotely interested. Am I missing something? Please, I need some help with this since I want better prospects for myself. I would really appreciate any help. 

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You claim you are 24 years old, have a Masters in English have 3 years teaching experience,
I am sorry but this 'does not compute' - I for one would question this.

Even with a 3 year degree course, and maybe a 2 years Masters plus the 3 years work experience you claim to have, you would have to have been 16 when you entered university.

My (teaching) experience of 24 year old (post-grad / Masters candidates) is that of a lack of maturity on their part.

You are unlikely to be considered, even if you were a native /English speaker, at 24 you would probably be considered too young - unless you are Sh*t hot at what you do and have some serious accolades to use as a selling point.

As a non-native English speaker the Chinese would also consider your English speaking accent as a handicap.

You can accuse me of being racist with the last comment, but that is how it is in China.

The Chinese can be openly racist against everyone who is not Chinese, and unless you are prepared to deal with this, you should not consider working there.

It is certainly not a place for the faint-hearted or sensitive.

The youngest foreign colleague i worked with was 26 years old, with the degree and more than the 2 required years of work experience.

 

Good luck !

icnif77:

I must admit, your algebra ... 

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Faryaal:

In my country, you can get a master's degree after studying at the university level for 4 years. if you want to be technical, I have what you would consider a bachelor's degree internationally. I think you should understand that not all schooling systems are the same. And I graduated when I was 21 because I entered the school system at a very young age. I have taught at two very prestigious universities in my country, Karachi University, and Greenwich University, both of which are internationally recognized and are incredibly selective about their faculty.

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If a non-English native passport holder has a degree completed in a native English country, she/he qualifies for a legal ET job in China, Z visa and all ... - Exemption!

You should write any exemptions you might be entitled to into Introduction letter.

 

The other thing I did in my time in China, I research School I was applying to over the Internet, get their details (School's email address, mostly!) and send them Intro letter with CV and all required documents directly to their email box.

You will avoid dealing with the recruiters, which this website (FindJobs) is full of.

 

Good luck!

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if Karachi university is as shit hot as you claim, you would be totally wasted in China.

China does not want professionals who want to teach.
all during my time in China every class I planned and prepared for, and every place I worked the staff did their utmost to undermine me.

I was working for a foreign university in a partnership, but i convinced them it was a waste of their money and my time.

China wants babysitters, even in univerisities.
China wants foriengers who will rubber-stamp their students passing the course regardless of ability or proficiency.

If you are as shit hot as you claim to be, i suggest you try Japan or Korea - at least there you would have a chance to actually teach, and not be subjected to the racism of China, because if you are not Caucasian you are treated even more poorly than Caucasians.

I could go on, but you are an adult.
China hates its' dependancy on foreign workers

good luck !!

 

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https://chinabyteaching.com/teaching-english-in-china/am-i-eligible-to-t...

 

Eligibility Requirements to Teach English in China

 

To get a Z visa, you must satisfy certain criteria – from nationality and age to qualifications and a few other pivotal bits and bobs. It’s important to know that there are several exceptions to many of the below-detailed rules. For clarity and ease of info-sharing, we’ll detail all those at the end of the guide.

 

Here are the primary Z Visa requirements:

1. Your Nationality

You must be from one of seven approved countries – UK, Ireland, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand & South Africa.

 

... more ...

 

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You claim you are 24 years old, have a Masters in English have 3 years teaching experience,
I am sorry but this 'does not compute' - I for one would question this.

Even with a 3 year degree course, and maybe a 2 years Masters plus the 3 years work experience you claim to have, you would have to have been 16 when you entered university.

My (teaching) experience of 24 year old (post-grad / Masters candidates) is that of a lack of maturity on their part.

You are unlikely to be considered, even if you were a native /English speaker, at 24 you would probably be considered too young - unless you are Sh*t hot at what you do and have some serious accolades to use as a selling point.

As a non-native English speaker the Chinese would also consider your English speaking accent as a handicap.

You can accuse me of being racist with the last comment, but that is how it is in China.

The Chinese can be openly racist against everyone who is not Chinese, and unless you are prepared to deal with this, you should not consider working there.

It is certainly not a place for the faint-hearted or sensitive.

The youngest foreign colleague i worked with was 26 years old, with the degree and more than the 2 required years of work experience.

 

Good luck !

icnif77:

I must admit, your algebra ... 

24 weeks 8 hours ago
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Faryaal:

In my country, you can get a master's degree after studying at the university level for 4 years. if you want to be technical, I have what you would consider a bachelor's degree internationally. I think you should understand that not all schooling systems are the same. And I graduated when I was 21 because I entered the school system at a very young age. I have taught at two very prestigious universities in my country, Karachi University, and Greenwich University, both of which are internationally recognized and are incredibly selective about their faculty.

23 weeks 6 days ago
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icnif77:

If a non-English native passport holder has a degree completed in a native English country, she/he qualifies for a legal ET job in China, Z visa and all ... - Exemption!

You should write any exemptions you might be entitled to into Introduction letter.

 

The other thing I did in my time in China, I research School I was applying to over the Internet, get their details (School's email address, mostly!) and send them Intro letter with CV and all required documents directly to their email box.

You will avoid dealing with the recruiters, which this website (FindJobs) is full of.

 

Good luck!

23 weeks 6 days ago
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sorrel:

if Karachi university is as shit hot as you claim, you would be totally wasted in China.

China does not want professionals who want to teach.
all during my time in China every class I planned and prepared for, and every place I worked the staff did their utmost to undermine me.

I was working for a foreign university in a partnership, but i convinced them it was a waste of their money and my time.

China wants babysitters, even in univerisities.
China wants foriengers who will rubber-stamp their students passing the course regardless of ability or proficiency.

If you are as shit hot as you claim to be, i suggest you try Japan or Korea - at least there you would have a chance to actually teach, and not be subjected to the racism of China, because if you are not Caucasian you are treated even more poorly than Caucasians.

I could go on, but you are an adult.
China hates its' dependancy on foreign workers

good luck !!

 

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 Does anybody else looking for an ET job in China? surprise

 

https://www.rt.com/news/582979-maduro-china-english-banished/

 

English language booted from press conference in China

 

 

I'd say, English teachers will most likely have more success in the outer space ...  as a native or non-native ETs ... 

 

  ... and to top that, in outer space most likely, they don't have a native ET segregation requirement ...

 

broken heart... 'cause IMO, they must be more advanced than us, Earth-blings ...   

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heart Native or non-native ET, it doesn't really matter anymore ... 

 

https://www.rt.com/news/583397-china-university-english-requirements/

 

     

Top Chinese university scraps English requirements – media

English fluency is of “little practical value for many people,” a lawmaker said earlier this year laugh 

 

Xi’an Jiaotong University, one of the top public research universities in China, has confirmed that it has removed a requirement for students to undertake a mandatory College English Test (CET) to join or graduate from the institution.

The university, located in the northwestern province of Shaanxi, took the step as a debate rages about the practical benefits of learning English for large sections of China’s students, the South China Morning Post reported on Friday.

The move is a “normal measure made by the school according to current developments,” the publication said, citing comments from the university’s academic affairs office. Xi’an Jiaotong, which is considered to be among the top 5% of universities in China, added that English courses based on CET requirements will remain on the curriculum.

Plans to reduce requirements for students to learn English have been gathering pace for several years. National People’s Congress deputy Tuo Qingming said earlier this year at a legislative session in Beijing that fluency in English has “little practical value for many people.”

Tuo added: “For a considerable number of people, learning a foreign language is only for admission to higher education. What they learn is actually exam-oriented. They will seldom or never use foreign languages in their work or life.”

However, Yu Xiaoyu, a linguistics expert at the University of Hong Kong, cautioned against the move to reduce English language requirements. He argued that proficiency in one of the world’s most-spoken languages is an advantage in the employment market.

“What hasn’t changed is that much of the job market for university graduates still considers English to be beneficial, so there’s a high chance that students with higher English proficiency, especially those who can prove it, will come across more opportunities,” Yu said, according to the South China Morning Post on Friday.

Yu also stated his belief that the current CET curriculum does require reform. It is possible, he argued, for a student to score highly in the test without being able to suitably communicate in English, and that “we shouldn’t interpret the university’s decision as a sign that they’re attaching less importance to the English language.” enlightened

 

 

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