You are definitely smalltown/village/hardisk kind of person . I actually did not meant to offend but as I was reading your post earlier it seems you have a lot to learn from life. For instance if you refuse to understand different perspectives and attitudes towards love and sex, Girl you 'd better go back to your village and stick with your bunch, Remember Shanghi is way different from where you come from.

Excuse me toad.
Did u even understand my answer in English?!

Did I say maybe ur get married with a foreigner and he is already married in his own country?

WTF is ur problem?

Actually, the answer to this question is:

5 minutes.

Tell your friends.

@wenna7

“most Chinese girls cannot do that, I mean only sex fun”

Wel baby, you still have to learn a lot about China.

Researches in europe pointed out that men are quite fathfull. In the UK has been a research and the outcome was the women cheated more as the man.
And this is propably also the case in China!
In China the rates of cheating must be much much higher as europe and regarded my experience in my local town in Shenzhen tells me most of the women 30plus have a boyfriend outside of their marriage. I know even quite a few who have a Chinese boyfriend and a Taiwanese or Hongkong bf.

In Holland about 30% of all men have had at least one time in their marriage sex with another partner.
And only about 10% really had affairs.

And women are also bigger liars about affairs.
In the US they had a research where they splitted the groups in 2 parts.
One part was connected to the liedetector and the other group not.
The difference between the man groups was not very big.
The difference between the woman groups was much much higher. The women, connected to the lie detector admitted a much lower rate of cheating as the women who where not connected.

It is also very simple to explain why women cheat more as man.
A man is very quickly satisfied. Give him his beer, food, sex, clean house, don't spend all his money and don't disturb him while he's watching his favorite sportprogram.

Man is satisfied.

A woman needs however much more. She needs attention. If the woman does not get this attention enough the door is open for a flirt.
Plus that women can not resist sex when they really desire it. A man thinks more about the consequenses.

These facts are also the reason why it is mostly the woman who breaks in a marriage. Of all the people I know in China who are divorced I know only one couple where the man broke up.

I also never see Chinese couples together. I visit a dancegroup very reguraly and this dancegroup (you know, outside on the streets) contain various levels of people. Some have good money, some have regular job. I know more as 50 people in this group and I know one couple!

The rest is always coming alone.

From many of them I know they are not faithfull in their marriage!

Last thing I would like to say to you is your classification a foreign man is not telling the truth when he tall's a woman he loves her is completely wrong!

If I speak for myself I know one lady here in my local town I really love. And if I say to her I love her I really mean this.
I know several foreign guy's in Shenzhen who really wants to have a serious relationship.
One of my friends even left China because he was not able to get a nice girlfriend. He was always accused by Chinese women he had many girlfriends however I have never seen my friend with a girlfriend and I know he has been many times very very depressive about the fact he had to be alone.

It is illustrating that a nice guy like him was forced to be alone in China. Most of the Chinese woman could not tackle the fact the guy would be a very good choice for them.

I dare to say that most of the Chinese ladies are not suitable to have a relationship or mariage with a foreign man simply because the fact Chinese women think they are special.

Youre not special!!

You, Chinese women are in the basic exactly the same as any other women in the world.

The difference is Chinese women do not know themselves. They live in the system wich is telling them what is right and wrong.
So they have not developed their own mind.

And this underdevelopment is the reason why a relationship with a foreigner doen't work because the foreigner wants to know the person who he is married with.

Not the system!!!

On the one hand you start a thread stating all westerners are perverts, and then you ask us how long you should wait before sleeping with your beautiful Austrian. You're either the queen of hypocrites, or the queen of trolls.

If you're not making this up, might want to let him know you've got marriage on your mind. You know, just so he can get a head start running away.

The perfect time for someone to sleep with me is 10 minutes after I've met them - if they make me wait 15 minutes I give up and go elsewhere. Though I wouldn't marry any woman who couldn't make me wait at least an hour.

In fairness you'll be so happy that he's having sex with you it won't matter anyway, if he does leave and you end up with a Chinese dude you'll be disappointed for the rest of your life so get in while the going's good.

Scientificaly proven is the fact that human beings need 10 min to know if they like somebody and need about 2 hours to fall in love or to have the desire to have sex together.

That's human nature!

Chinese however think they are different (wich is not true) and represses this feeling.

I am the problem, because I said too much and I don't agree with u guys.
U can only stand girls who only listen, never argue.
And yes, I watched too much movies and to be here listen all these bullshit just makes me feel I am really right about what I think about foreigners.
U r here not making me feel wrong.
Most foreigners here r just spoiled, and I really hope u all just go back home, enjoy ur much better people and much better country.
Why do u stay here suffering all these ugly people, deity country? U r really in pain. I am so sorry by what we r doing to u, but we didn't spilt on the street of ur country, spilt bones on the table of ur restaurant. People use hands to eat in Africa and India, what about that? Feel disgusting? Their hands r much cleaner than your month.

Were we not humble enough? And why do we need to be humble in front of people who doesn't respect us?
If people treat me well, I treat them better, if people treat me bad, I will be worse. I am not Jesus, only He can treat people like himself. And I think if I can love people who loves me, it's already good enough, a lot people cannot even do that.

And if this is what u want to do, complain, say all these mean thing about China and Chinese, go ahead. Just it's a pity u cannot enjoy ur life.

@wenna7

I only say the truth about China, nothing more.

Read this article
http://www.lovelovechina.com/sex-china/marital-infidelity-in-modern-china/

USA 4,1% of the man, 1,5% of the woman cheated in one year
China 20,6% of the man, 3,9% of the woman cheated in one year

Not to mention the woman from China who keep it secret because the fear what they have for problems with the husband (wich is a growing problem in China, women violated by the Chinese husband after he finds out)
Not to mention the foreign guy's who get molestated when they had an affair with a Chinese married lady!

They don't nickname Shenzhen for not nothing "the city of second wives and husbands"

Ever been in a Dongguan KTV? I can tell you many foreigners don't even like it there. Many of them really feel embaressed when they see what's happening with the girls over there.
And if they like it there the girls are very happy to meet a foreigner because we, foreigners, treat a lady with respect.

Can not say this about the Chinese guy's baby!!

Sure it's true, and u can only see the ugly parts!

KTV in Dongguan I've never been, but heard a lot about it, and I believe what u said.
But was/is White House way better? I've never been there too.

It's always easier to criticize than to compliment. And what does these numbers show? 'Mericans r better? Find an 'Merican bf? U respect girls? More gentle? Not like other Chinese guys who also pay for sex? U r better man?
Really man will not pay for girl. Don't remember that ad?

Austrian English teacher.

Thx wenna7 and ppl understanding and taking side with I! Westerner here have no understanding China's culture and priority order. and my bf can talk write much better than most of u here, and he as beautiful accent!

你应该拿中文写，然后所有老外就会复制黏贴到google翻译上面看是什么意思啦，不过估计看完英文翻译还是没几个能懂的。
Nickwatson或者Ludovico的汉语应该ok. 不过我总是分不太清楚他们两个人，反正有一个的汉语挺不错。
Njord一定会开始叫，这里是英文网站啊blabla～

Talk about how bad other people's second language is? How many languages can u speak?

@vehruoglan

"Westerner here have no understanding China's culture and priority order."

You're wrong.

Westeners try to understand people.

But the Chinese way of thinking is many times not coming from the soul because they mix the system and their feelings.

And we westeners never know with wich mixture we have to deal with.

Again, people are in the basic the same everywhere. There is no difference between a American, Austrian, Dutch, African, Thai or Chinese.

The biggest differences between nations is the language. The rest ar minor details

Culture aspects are food, the way you marry, the way you burry people etc.

Hiding your feelings by waiting to sleep with the guy is no culture. Thats mixing up what the Chinese the system tells you and the language your heart is speaking.

And this part is difficult to understand for any person, no matter where he comes from!!

So you're basically openly admitting to wanting to try and locking your foreign boyfriend into marriage?

I hope he reads this forum...

There r many perverts. Hope all not like u? Thx for support people to help!

Njord, it's my honor and pleasure to do that to u. Come one, shouldn't u respect people's right? It's my right!

i have a westerner"BF"before, we date about 3 month,then we have sex. He was very civil to me, at first i think maye he is gay, but now i know, He is just a irresponsible person. you can say yes or no. tThe decision is in the hand of your, if your make your choose. you will have to abide by the consequences .
he said. he like me, or love me. but he will tell you , we are closed friend and develop something more.
this is BOSHIT...

To be honest....

Not all the guys are the same in regardless to country....
Some guys on the first date goes for the il na na and some guys prefer to wait until the right time and some guys drag the right time all the way to marriage.

So I suggest you find out which category your guy falls into and judge him.
Same case for girls too.
I met girls who went down to business in 10 minutes and I even met girls that took me 10 days to take them down to business, however, there were some girls who thought their dreams came true of dating a foreign man and tasting the spice of life.

I think our guys have really been getting a bad rep, some of it earned, no doubt, but to generalize like that is unfair.

Vehru, talk to your boyfriend, make things clear between the two of you. I understand that culture is different, and that you've got things like parents, and career and marriage in mind, but none of it will ever work out for either of you unless you communicate with your boyfriend..

so ,,,weeks gone by ????

"Thx wenna7 and ppl understanding and taking side with I! Westerner here have no understanding China's culture and priority order. and my bf can talk write much better than most of u here, and he as beautiful accent!"

Whenever I see a sentence like this, I wanna slap the chinese person who said it. You're culture is EXTREMELY SIMPLE to understand. We understand it, we just disregarded it because it is so primitive.

Toad, you forgot that it's also often so ridiculous that there is no way we could EVER pretend to understand it, because you would have to be taught that crap and have it hammered into your head since birth. Whenever a person makes a decision based on "face" rather than logic or reason, I can't help but laugh.

It's like arguing with Christians about 2 of every animal fitting on a boat, but even a lot of Christians understand that this is either a story or a parable...

" and my bf can talk write much better than most of u here, and he as beautiful accent!"

How would you know the difference between good and bad English anyway? You can barely make sense as it is.

now now ,, she is just a young naive little tight ass..don't be nasty,,,.I don't think Chinese women for their age are as mature as Merican women.,,,, so have you slept with him yet??