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Q: How the new visa rules will effect a Z-visa extension?

Hi. I am an ESL teacher. I have a Z-visa which expires in 1,5 months same as my contract. I don't know what to do now. I want  to find another job but i am afraid it will effect the visa extension process. At least one of the school i applied they cant extend my visa as i am a Non native, who knows maybe it was just an excuse, before the visa extension was not that complicated). So I have 2 Qs:

1. If i stay with my current employer how the visa renewal process will look like due to new visa regulations? I have a FEC now but i ve read there will be a Foreigner's Work Permit. So they will just apply for that FWP (before they just make am extension sign in FEC). I remember last year it was quite easy. My school just uploaded all document i had when i came to China the very first time (including my bachelor degree diploma, non criminal record, medical check etc.). I am afraid this year they will ask me to notarize my diploma, wont they?

2. If i change the employer will the visa extension process be the same as if i stay with the current one or it will be more complicated refer to new visa rules as for NNES?

 

6 years 40 weeks ago in  Visa & Legalities - Guangzhou

 
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It depends on where you are, where you are from and the connections your schools got.

 

Like for example in Shenzhen, renewals or job transfers will be as they've always been until Oct 1st 2017.

 

So you've got a sporting chance, if I were you I'd stay at your current job. Also you should tell more about yourself next time, we can't help you without knowing where you are and where you are from?

iryna_keis:

I am in Guangzhou, non native

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ironman510:

Renewal depends on your schools connection, and they are your best chance. Moving isn't wise in your case. Where is your passport from?

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iryna_keis:

My school doesn't have any strong connections i assume. Last year it was no problem. This year they also try to convince me its gonna be easy to renew. But i don't trust them. There re always new ppl come, they always say they re professional and they used to work with visa issues before but then everything turns out they have no idea ho to do that and we foreign teachers should teach our Chinese colleagues how to do their job. I am so tired og all these shit. I dont want to stay in my school anymore even the salary is quite good esp for non native and i don't want to transfer to another school because i know Chinese are the same everywhere. At the beginning they all seem nice and friendly but then they show their real faces and their read attitude. thanks to Chinese government i think its time to leave this country. 

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Especially school's connections and market demand determine whether you can get a RP. China is not a country with rule of law, so don't take what's on paper to the letter.

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It depends on where you are, where you are from and the connections your schools got.

 

Like for example in Shenzhen, renewals or job transfers will be as they've always been until Oct 1st 2017.

 

So you've got a sporting chance, if I were you I'd stay at your current job. Also you should tell more about yourself next time, we can't help you without knowing where you are and where you are from?

iryna_keis:

I am in Guangzhou, non native

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Renewal depends on your schools connection, and they are your best chance. Moving isn't wise in your case. Where is your passport from?

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iryna_keis:

My school doesn't have any strong connections i assume. Last year it was no problem. This year they also try to convince me its gonna be easy to renew. But i don't trust them. There re always new ppl come, they always say they re professional and they used to work with visa issues before but then everything turns out they have no idea ho to do that and we foreign teachers should teach our Chinese colleagues how to do their job. I am so tired og all these shit. I dont want to stay in my school anymore even the salary is quite good esp for non native and i don't want to transfer to another school because i know Chinese are the same everywhere. At the beginning they all seem nice and friendly but then they show their real faces and their read attitude. thanks to Chinese government i think its time to leave this country. 

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Especially school's connections and market demand determine whether you can get a RP. China is not a country with rule of law, so don't take what's on paper to the letter.

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OK, I'll tell you what I see:

 

Your employer must offer new Contract for RP and FEC extension.

However, Contract isn't valid till SAFEA doesn't issue new or extend old FEC.

 

So, the shortest way is:

 

''Send your employer to SAFEA with Q:

'Will SAFEA issue (or 'reissue') new FEC (Working permit) for this foreign English teacher?''

 

SAFEA's answer is utmost important to you: "will you purchase 'vacation plane ticket' or 'return home plane ticket'!"

 

The problem is, Chinese employers like to play 'I know everything' over 'go and ask at SAFEA', so you must make sure employer will go there before you even look at new Contract.

 

I got stamped and signed Contract offer few weeks ago from Public school (Uni) and rep.'s confirmation 'SAFEA will issue new FEC for you' and then I received new email out of Uni 10-days ago that 'SAFEA said new regulation state quote: ''English teacher can teach only in her/his native language!" and we must obey new rules!'. Henan!

 

That SAFEA's statement made offered Contract (signed & stamped by Uni) invalid!

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Iryna, Random, talk to this guy

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icnif77:

Now, this statement of Henan rep is like out of Taiwan or Japan or HK where the Law is clearly set.

It isn't such thing in China (despite new Law changes). IMO, China can't afford such Law because there are too many Chinese English students and there aren't enough Native English teachers on hand in China or even in the whole world. 300 million students of English language in China!

In other words, it is still possible to get an employment in China as NNES.

Statement of Henan Uni rep could also come out of .... if NNES would announce where s/he got new Contract and Native English teacher would send CV to the same School afterward, I believe NNES Contract would get annulled in a heartbeat because School would rather employ Native English teacher over NNES.

Fact is China can't implement the same Law as it is in other, much smaller countries around the world. They can copy it, thou ....

Chinese Gov. would show seriousness with implementation of such Law only in the case when School would be held responsible of issuing Contract to the NNES.

Now, any leader of the School can issue stamped and signed Contract and he/she isn't responsible whatsoever to anybody .... and only who suffers is party B/FT.

Think about moving out of Guangdong to Nei Mongol for RP transfer and after your arrival to Nei Mongol Contract get annulled with similar excuse ...

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iryna_keis:

hi icni77, SAFEA already approved my docs which were uploaded online by my scholol and i am waiting for the FEC renewak (or how it is called now? work permit?) do you know how many days it takes? and the second question: how many days needed to renew Residence permit? a year ago the process took 7 working day. is it the same this year?

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icnif77:

I am not sure abut timing. 3-5 business days at PSB for new RP stamp and at SAFEA just wait till they issue new FEC.

As I understand, there aren't any approvals, but once School passed online data input then just need to wait for new FEC.

 

I am out of China at the moment. 

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