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anonymous
Q: I am a teaching job that I hate. If I quit the job before the end of contract?
If I quit the job without getting a release and return home to the U.S., can I get another Z visa for China? If so, can I get the visa before the end of the contract period?
11 years 17 weeks ago in Visa & Legalities - China
So, let me get this straight: You want to break all the rules, and then receive the benefits of following the rules?
I don't think it works that way. You signed a contract. Honor it, finish it, and then move on, more the wiser.
Answer deleted as the OP is being rude and arrogant and therefore I am not willing to help him.
GuilinRaf:
It is amazing how much help one can usually get by being polite! Even more so, when the Japanese and the British are concerned, they really take good manners seriously!
Points up for Huge!
Yes you can quit the job but the release letter is crucial to finding another job. In most cases the release can be negotiated though. Like Hugh said it probably means a proper notice and/or a financial penalty (maybe one months salary). If you are serious about wanting to work in China again you'd better either finish the contract or negotiate a release that leaves you both satisfied.
I am not asking for your moral judgment or a grammar lesson. You are not in my situation so could not possibly judge it. All I am asking for is information on the procedure to obtain another Chinese Z visa when a release was not obtained.
Hugh.G.Rection:
When asking for assistance it is customary to use a more conciliatory tone and a few pleases and thanks, otherwise your chances of getting that assistance are considerably less.
I also am not asking for a lesson from Ms. Manners
giadrosich:
But you are asking for a way out! Until you learn how to play nicely with others, go pound sand.
981977405:
broncogerry, forgive the over-testosterone set around here and their extremely rude answers to you. No one can judgment your set of circumstances and that is something that I understand. Every human being has a different breaking point that is for sure.
Now to answer your question, the answer will go something like this:
1. If you do a runner on the current contract, and you want to secure another contract while the first visa is still valid, yes, indeed you will need a letter of release and a letter of recommendation.
2. Should you, however, go home and allow the "Z" visa to come to its natural term (meaning wait it out), any application that you make after the application of the "Z" visa will be considered a "new" application. You could also do by means of a trip to Hong Kong, where you would obtain a tourist visa, then return to China, obtain a new contract and a new letter of invitation and then return to Hong Kong or the States (somehow I think that you might be an American, if I am wrong please correct me) and obtain a new visa. The new school may or may not require a letter of recommendation from you but if the visa has expired then they should not have to require a letter of release from you.
What they will require under the new more onerous rules, however, is that your previous Foreign Expert Certificate be cancelled and that you have the original of the Letter of Cancellation with you. That is where things might get a little dicecy for you. Then again, they may not ask this of you if your visa has expired by several months.
That's my take on this. I hope that you may find this answer helpful. As I said, disregard the rudeness around here, it's a bit inherent, sadly so.
giadrosich:
Bronco, please forgive the arrogant and over-inflated ego of the post above. It is, unfortunately, a result of the current administrations domestic reproductive policy that 'little emperors' view themselves as the center of the universe, a malady which seems to affect this fellows ability to rationally relate to other humans. Narcissistic behavior is rather frowned upon in modern countries, however, it is good to see an example now and again to remind the rest of what happens when devolution runs rampant. But then again, based upon both of your responses, you two fellows should be picking out curtains sometime in the near future.
i am going to oblige, in order to clear your record. you will have to start from the begining.
become an airplane and fly back to your home country.
become a computer and apply to schools online.
become the chinese embassy and go through the visa process again.
become an airplane again, fly back to china.
become a teaching job at become a new school!
Thank you, 981977405. You are one of the few adults here.
The title of the posting made me chuckle...... The Chingrish is very good.
elainetravelgirl:
If I can understand it more correctly?.....
I am "IN" a teaching job that I hate. "What would happen" if I quit the job before the end of "THE" contract?"
If I understand that correctly, then.....
You can end a contract but you must have something lined up where you can then transfer over. Considering, of course, that the new school has hired you and lined up a contract and a visa to start once your other one expires (the date you plan on leaving the other school). Contracts can be broken, I heard.
Or go the route of getting a different type of visa - a Business Visa that can be done in HK. Look for agents that can help you with that. You then can work in agencies and freelance.
If you don't like your job you don't have to run away home. You can have a chat with the management and see if you can make things improve. If they are unwilling to make an agreement then you can give them notice. Technically if you give them written notice (at least 1 month) then there should be no reason that they don't give you the release letter. Just make sure that management sign your resignation letter to confirm it.
I have had friends that have done this and then NOT got the letter, they took the copy of the signed resignation letter and was able to renew their visa without hassle, of course it depends on the City and the mood of the PSB officer on the day, this being China and all.
I was in this same situation awhile back. I feel your pain.
This is actually why I recommend to some people who are new in China to NOT get a Z visa right away even though technically it's "illegal". It's much harder to get out of a job once you're on a Z visa. When not on a Z visa you have more freedom to quite a job on your own terms.
Like others said, you will need a release letter to get a new job. Your best option is to sit down with the school and tell them you want to leave. Try to work something, maybe you have to pay a fine or maybe you have to wait 1 month for them to find a new teacher, who knows, but it's best you try to work it out.
I quit a job while on a Z visa without getting my release papers first and it became a huge nightmare an I came very very close from having to leave China for goo. Looking back it wasn't worth it, it would have been better just to sit down with the school first and work something out so I coul quit.
As far as going to America and coming back.... 1) yes you would have to wait until the contract is over 2) you would still need a release paper to get another Z visa.
