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Q: It's been going viral that Corona virus was created, please how true is this?

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There are scientists out there saying yes, and others saying no. 

With all the ass covering, blaming, deflection, lying and politicking going on from all directions it's hard to know who to believe. I think anything's possible.

 

I doubt we'll ever know for sure.

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With the global shitstorm that is happening, governments blatantly lying (we all know who), leaders bullshitting in press briefings or just not having a clue, Karen on facebook trying to convince us it is 5G, various religions remainly oddly silent (apart from the evangelist oddballs) and my neighbour Dave who swears it was immigrants, take your pick.

 

Or just make up your own version, just about as valid as everything else that is being flung around right now.

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One should be first concerned about Chinese cover-up at the outbreak of Ncov with WHO kowtow ('koutou' in Mandarin/ 'kau tau' in Cantonese ) ... along ... Watch Trump-a ... for more. surprise

 

Chinese claim that Ncov jumped out of the bat soup bowl at the market in Wahun to the human stomach/body is impossible.

 

Carrier of Ncov ---->bat needs an intermediary --->pangolin for the virus adjustment to become harmful to human ... and all that virus transformation (bat-->pangolin-->human) cannot be completed in one afternoon, but such virus modification takes years ...

 

... and there is a BioLab Level 4 just in vicinity of the market in Wahun ...  where such virus modification can be achieved by the blink of an eye.

 

https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world...

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If it wasn't for all the hoarders I'd be able to buy Alfoil for a corona-proof tin hat.

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China in Focus - NTD@ChinaInFocusNTD  

The Chinese regime first accused the U.S., then Italy for the origin of the , but “Patient Zero” in at least 19 countries, including the U.S., Italy, South Korea, France, Germany, were all found to have close ties to , China’s epicenter.

 

surprise

 

Short vid ... posted here

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/japan-russia-report-worrisome-sur...

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Epoch Times with new documentary on origins of Ncov ...

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/should-trouble-us-deeply-chilling...

 

"This Should Trouble Us Deeply" - Chilling Documentary Maps Out Likely Origin Of COVID-19

While The Epoch Times began publishing reports of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus on Jan. 2, most outlets had yet to pick up on the story because of the CCP’s lockdown on information. Three months later, over 200 countries and territories have been infected and the CCP virus has caused over 85,000 deaths infecting at least 1.4 million, but information is murkier than ever.

“We’ve pretty much heard every rumor under the sun. We’ve heard every theory, every crazy rumor, we’ve heard all these different narratives,” said Joshua Philipp, award-winning investigative reporter and host of the show “Crossroads.”

The rumors aren’t by accident: The CCP has been actively engaging in a disinformation campaign, and media outlets around the world have parroted the propaganda. As a result, entire nations have been operating under false information as they try to battle the pandemic within their borders.

Screenshot of the documentary “Tracking Down the Origin of Wuhan Coronavirus.” (Courtesy Epoch Times)

Philipp and his colleages at The Epoch Times and NTD Television thought it their responsibility to sift through all the information available, verify it, and put it into one place. The result is the just-premiered documentary “Tracking Down the Origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus,” which is available to watch online. Less than two days after its premiere, the documentary has around 1.6 million views across different platforms.

The film “really tries to sift through all of the rumors, all of the truths, all of the falsehoods, and show people as accurate a picture as possible of what really happened and where this virus actually came from,” Philipp said.

In it, Philipp pieces together the development of the virus and includes interviews that shed light on the Chinese regime’s actions and intentions.

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Bill Maher's take ... on Wuhan virus, different cultures, eating bats and more:

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cant-we-have-pandemic-without-everyo...

 

Vid on the link ...

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Why doesn't China play cricket?
Because they eat all the Bloody Bats

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I have new one ...  Will I get more pints? 

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/explosive-report-wuhan-biolab-captured-...

 

Explosive Report: Wuhan Biolab Captured Bats From Caves Traced To COVID-19 Outbreak, Had US Funding

Sun, 04/12/2020 - 13:00

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Recent findings regarding the origin of COVID-19 continue to support our January reporting that the disease may have originated from the Wuhan Institute of Virology - which was experimenting with bat coronavirus found to be 96% genetically identical to COVID-19.

On Saturday, the Daily Mail added an important piece to the puzzle; the institute was experimenting on mammals captured over 1,000 miles away in Yunnan - which is particularly notable because genetic analysis of COVID-19's genome has traced it to horseshoe bats found in Yunnan's caves.

Horseshoe Bat

Also disturbing is that the lab had been operating in part on a $3.7 million grant from the US government.

The Mail on Sunday has learned that scientists there experimented on bats as part of a project funded by the US National Institutes of Health, which continues to licence the Wuhan laboratory to receive American money for experiments.

Results of the research were published in November 2017 under the heading: 'Discovery of a rich gene pool of bat SARS-related coronaviruses provides new insights into the origin of SARS coronavirus.'

The exercise was summarised as: 'Bats in a cave in Yunnan, China were captured and sampled for coronaviruses used for lab experiments. All sampling procedures were performed by veterinarians with approval from the Animal Ethics Committee of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.' -Daily Mail

"Bat samplings were conducted ten times from April 2011 to October 2015 at different seasons in their natural habitat at a single location (cave) in Kunming, Yunnan Province, China. Bats were trapped and faecal swab samples were collected," the paper continues.

In April, 2018, a similar study was published by the institute titled "fatal swine acute diarrhoea syndrome caused by an HKU2-related coronavirus of bat origin," which reveals "Following a 2016 bat-related coronavirus outbreak on Chinese pig farms, bats were captured in a cave and samples were taken. Experimenters grew the virus in a lab and injected it into three-day-old pigletsIntestinal samples from sick piglets were ground up and fed to other piglets as well."

 Via the Daily Mail

According to the Mail, Senior Ministers can no longer rule out that the virus first spread to humans after leaking from a Wuhan laboratory.

It comes after this newspaper revealed last week that Ministers here now fear that the pandemic could have been caused by a virus leaking from the institute.

Senior Government sources said that while 'the balance of scientific advice' was still that the deadly virus was first transmitted to humans from a live animal market in Wuhan, an accident at the laboratory in the Chinese city was 'no longer being discounted'.

According to one unverified claim, scientists at the institute could have become infected after being sprayed with blood containing the virus, and then passed it on to the local community. -Daily Mail

Meanwhile, Cao Bin, a soon-to-be-disappeared doctor at the Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital has highlighted research showing that 13 of the first 41 patients diagnosed in Wuhan had zero contact with the 'wet market' commonly described as ground zero for the outbreak. "It seems clear that the seafood market is not the only origin of the virus," he said.

 

In response to news that the US was partially funding the institute, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-CA) said "I'm disgusted to learn that for years the US government has been funding dangerous and cruel animal experiments at the Wuhan Institute, which may have contributed to the global spread of coronavirus, and research at other labs in China that have virtually no oversight from US authorities."

We're sure the Daily Mail will be banned from Twitter any moment now. 

     

     

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    DoD ...: is playing chess ..

     

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-state-department-cables-warned...

     

    Chairman Of Jt. Chiefs Admits US Intel Has Taken 'Hard Look' At Wuhan Lab As Origin Of COVID-19

     

    "There’s a lot of rumor and speculation in a wide variety of media, blog sites, etc.," said Milley. "It should be no surprise to you that we have taken a keen interest in that, and we have had a lot of intelligence take a hard look at that."

    "At this point it’s inconclusive, although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural, but we do not know for sure," Milley added.

     

    Those words are going to fuel a lifetime of additional conspiracy theories and speculation. But the tone of his voice was pretty dismissive of the idea, and he stressed that they've looked hard. "Hard." And "the weight of evidence leans towards natural."

    — Kevin Baron (@DefenseBaron) April 14, 2020

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    How true depends on how much you believe it is true!

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    there was leak from an agricultural lab last year - 200 people infected.

     

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3043717/200-chinese-academics-caught-brucella-virus-vaccine-factorys

     

    so of course it is not possible that anything similar would happen anywhere else...........

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    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/shocking-report-shows-beijing-wit...

    Shocking New Documents Prove China Deliberately Withheld Critical Coronavirus Info

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    It's not exactly clear. By failing to act right away, Beijing passed on a chance to cut the global case total by as much as two-thirds, according to some models cited in an AP report. As for why Beijing might have purposefully allowed a pandemic to blossom, well...that should be abundantly clear by now.

     

    In a bombshell report that exposes not just Beijing's lies, but the WHO's complicity in those lies, the AP obtained documents allegedly proving that President Xi and the leadership were aware of human-to-human transmission and the potential for a pandemic six days earlier than previously believed.

    And instead of acting, they chose to sit on their hands, allowing the virus to continue spreading freely in Wuhan until Jan. 20, when President Xi delivered his first warning to the public.

    "This is tremendous," said Zuo-Feng Zhang, an epidemiologist at the University of California, Los Angeles. "If they took action six days earlier, there would have been much fewer patients and medical facilities would have been sufficient. We might have avoided the collapse of Wuhan’s medical system."

    That's not all. Some experts believe that the CPC leadership did act during the six day lag, taking subtler steps to erect more mitigation efforts, while waiting to inform the public to avoid "mass hysteria."

    Given the fact that Beijing managed to leverage the Red Army and close down half of the largest country on Earth, something tells us the public reaction to news of the virus - and the government's heavy handed efforts to contain it - wasn't high up on the Party's list of concerns.

    What's more, the report suggests that the government essentially bullied doctors into silence, something that Beijing has vehemently denied, despite the death of Dr. Li Wenliang, a doctor who was punished for warning about the virus, then died fighting it, becoming a symbol of Beijing's mishandling of the outbreak.

    "Doctors in Wuhan were afraid," said Dali Yang, a professor of Chinese politics at the University of Chicago. "It was truly intimidation of an entire profession."

    And they might have waited longer, even, if the first international confirmed case, found in Thailand on Jan. 13, didn't force the Chinese government to act.

    Still, the fact that China lied - and continues to lie - can no longer be disputed, even as Beijing assured the AP that they reported the outbreak to the WHO as soon as they were aware.

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    Here you have it ... exclusively for readers at e-Tities:

     

    Topic: Inserted HIV sequence in COVID-19 virus

     

    COVID-19 Is A Man-Made Virus: HIV-Discoverer Says "Could Only Have Been Created In A Lab"

    "...it is up to the Chinese government to take responsibility...in order to insert an HIV sequence into this genome, molecular tools are needed, and that can only be done in a laboratory."

     

    As the mainstream media and politicians begin to raise/admit the possibilities that the source of COVID-19 was likely a lab in Wuhan (accidentally leaked or otherwise) - something we first brought to the world's attention in January before being mocked, censored, and chastised - it appears more actual 'scientists' (at least those not paid by or working for a lab in Wuhan) are willing to admit what we noted all along - this virus is man-made.

    GilmoreHealth.com's Robert Miller writes that contrary to the narrative that is being pushed by the mainstream that the COVID 19 virus was the result of a natural mutation and that it was transmitted to humans from bats via pangolins, Dr Luc Montagnier the man who discovered the HIV virus back in 1983 disagrees and is saying that the virus was man made.

    Professor Luc Montagnier, 2008 Nobel Prize winner for Medicine, claims that SARS-CoV-2 is a manipulated virus that was accidentally released from a laboratory in Wuhan, China. Chinese researchers are said to have used coronaviruses in their work to develop an AIDS vaccine. HIV DNA fragments are believed to have been found in the SARS-CoV-2 genome.

    We knew that the Chinese version of how the coronavirus emerged was increasingly under attack, but here’s a thesis that tells a completely different story about the Covid-19 pandemic, which is already responsible for more than 110,000 deaths worldwide.

    According to Professor Luc Montagnier, winner of the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 2008 for “discovering” HIV as the cause of the AIDS epidemic together with Françoise Barré-Sinoussi, the SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that was manipulated and accidentally released from a laboratory in Wuhan, China, in the last quarter of 2019.

    According to Professor Montagnier, this laboratory, known for its work on coronaviruses, tried to use one of these viruses as a vector for HIV in the search for an AIDS vaccine!

    “With my colleague, bio-mathematician Jean-Claude Perez, we carefully analyzed the description of the genome of this RNA virus,” explains Luc Montagnier, interviewed by Dr Jean-François Lemoine for the daily podcast at Pourquoi Docteur, adding that others have already explored this avenue:

    Indian researchers have already tried to publish the results of the analyses that showed that this coronavirus genome contained sequences of another virus, … the HIV virus (AIDS virus), but they were forced to withdraw their findings as the pressure from the mainstream was too great.

    In a challenging question Dr Jean-François Lemoine inferred that the coronavirus under investigation may have come from a patient who is otherwise infected with HIV.

    "No," says Luc Montagnier, "in order to insert an HIV sequence into this genome, molecular tools are needed, and that can only be done in a laboratory."

    According to the 2008 Nobel Prize for Medicine, a plausible explanation would be an accident in the Wuhan laboratory. He also added that the purpose of this work was the search for an AIDS vaccine.

    The truth will eventually come out

    In any case, this thesis, defended by Professor Luc Montagnier, has a positive turn. According to him, the altered elements of this virus are eliminated as it spreads:

    “Nature does not accept any molecular tinkering, it will eliminate these unnatural changes and even if nothing is done, things will get better, but unfortunately after many deaths.”

    Luc Montagnier added that with the help of interfering waves, we could eliminate these sequences and as a result stop the pandemic.

    This is enough to feed some heated debates! So much so that Professor Montagnier’s statements could also place him in the category of “conspiracy theorists”:

    “Conspirators are the opposite camp, hiding the truth,” he replies, without wanting to accuse anyone, but hoping that the Chinese will admit to what he believes happened in their laboratory.

    To entice a confession from the Chinese he used the example of Iran which after taking full responsibility for accidentally hitting a Ukrainian plane was able to earn the respect of the global community. Hopefully the Chinese will do the right thing he adds.

    “In any case, the truth always comes out, it is up to the Chinese government to take responsibility.”

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    Well this is an interesting development.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3080453/china-cancels-co...

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1185915.shtml

    Thoughts, opinions, scoffing, guffawing?

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    Vlad and Xi get together and declared that blaming China for the global pandemic is counter-productive ...

    https://news.yahoo.com/putin-xi-slam-attempts-blame-china-virus-response...

     

     

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    Mac 22 hours ago

    How can you blame China for this pandemic? Well, let me see here. China shuts down all travel from Wuhan to Beijing and Shanghai but keeps flights open to Europe, US, and Asia which seeds the Wuhan virus to the entire world. Isn't that strange.
    I repeat this article (author unknown) below which has some very good points, see what you think. Should questions not be asked?

    Wuhan to Shanghai = 839 km

    Wuhan to Beijing = 1,152 km

    Wuhan to Milan = 8,684 km

    Wuhan to NY = 12,033 km

    The Coronavirus started in Wuhan yet there is no effect of Coronavirus in nearby Beijing or Shanghai but many deaths in Italy, Iran, European countries and USA.

    All business areas of China are now safe. America is not just blaming China without a reason. Even today, India is locked down but all the cities of China are open. China has also announced the opening of Wuhan from April 08. Not a single leader in China has tested positive for the deadly Coronavirus. The virus has ruined many economies around the world. Many have had to close their borders in an attempt to contain and control the spread of the Coronavirus. Thousands have lost their lives, millions have now got this disease, countless people have been locked in their homes and many countries have placed their citizens on lock down.

    The Coronavirus orginated from the city of Wuhan in China and has now reached every corner of the world, but the virus did not reach China's capital Beijing and China's Economic Capital Shanghai, located in close proximity to Wuhan itself.

    Today Paris is closed, New York is closed, Berlin is closed, Delhi is closed, Mumbai is closed, Tokyo is closed, the world's major economic and political centers are closed, but Beijing and Shanghai are open. No Coronavirus effect is seen in either cities. There were only a few cases but the virus had no real effect on Beijing and Shanghai.

    Beijing is the city where all the leaders of China live, including their military leaders. There is no lock down in Beijing. Shanghai is the city that runs China's economy. It is the economic capital of China, where all the rich people of China live and run major industries. There is no lock down here, there is no effect of the Coronavirus there.

    Beijing and Shanghai are the areas adjoining Wuhan. The virus from Wuhan reached every corner of the world, but the virus did not affect Beijing and Shanghai.

    Another big thing is, that the worldwide share market has fallen by almost half. In India also the Nifty has gone from 12 thousand to 7 thousand, but the share market of China was at 3000 and just merely dropped to 2700.

    This leaves one to speculate that the Coronavirus is a bio-chemical weapon of China, which China used to carry out destruction in the world in order to gain economic supremacy. China has now put this virus under control, how can that be, maybe they also have the antidote.

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    US Launches 'Full-Scale Investigation' Into Wuhan Lab

     

    The investigation will help intelligence analysts piece together a timeline for what the CCP knew, as well as 'create an accurate picture of what happened. 

    • APR 17, 2020 4:44 PM

    The investigation will help intelligence analysts piece together a timeline for what the CCP knew, as well as 'create an accurate picture of what happened.'

    The findings, which aren't expected to take long, will then be presented to the Trump administration to determine how to hold China accountable for the pandemic which has killed over 150,000 people and infected at least 2 million as of this writing.

    On Wednesday, Fox News reported that the virus likely originated in the Wuhan lab as part of an effort to prove that China's ability to identify and combat viruses is equal or greater to the United States, as opposed to the creation of a bioweapon. Although according to the Nobel Prize-winning professor who discovered HIV, SARS-CoV-2 is a manipulated virus which was accidentally released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    Professor Luc Montagnier says that the virus was clearly being used to study an AIDS vaccine.

    Should it turn out that the virus escaped from a Chinese laboratory, the global pushback against the Chinese government could be significant. The virus has infected and killed hundreds of thousands of people and ravaged economies across the globe. Trump, who has frequently taken a hardline towards China even before the crisis, would be expected to lead calls to make Beijing face consequences. -Fox News.

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    OK, the thread under Mac's comment is too long, so I'll open new one.

     

    @sorrel: I read SixthTone article and yes, accidents happened in Biolabs, however all thing is manageable poorly in China, repeated mishaps show.

    Now, info 6thTone is describing, we aren't aware off, but Intell. agencies have certainly hand on. I predict, Americans will come out with the proof about Wahun Biolab ...

     

    @Stiggs: see this article about position of China in NWO:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/real-reason-russia-china-teamed-h...

    'ZH is questionable website ...'

    ZH is entity based in Ukraine, he he. It is US Stock EX website loaded with predictions and probable outcomes in the future. That is nature of trading on any Stock Market EX, that is a nature of every trader ... to predict moves of security ahead of times. 

    Traders can't sit down and say: "Let's wait for the proof .." 'cause once proof is released, security is either up or down depends on the news.

    So, I look the same. I pick bits and pieces and make a conclusion, which I cannot say it will fulfil tomorrow or in near future. In other words, I hope ...

    Now 'bits&pieces' at this example are telling me 'it was done intentionally' or 'it's premediated'. 

    I also know Chinese since my teaching stint in China. I assure you, it was never about 'one stupid and another one honest&clever'. It was all done on purpose by Chinese (for gain of this or that ..) and nothing can change that opinion of mine.

    This is the reason, we can discuss about that matter ... and we'll never come to the same conclusion.

    You can see, sometimes I pat my back and say: "I told you so ...".

     

    Watch the end of this one ...

    'add-it': " ... was in an act of war ..." ... yes, that would be conclusion of my posting, butT ... I don't plan to start the war ... If somebody will consider your actions were 'act-of-war', you'll just get hit. You won't get a sermon 'we consider that is an act ...',. Building islands and extending borders in SCS was an act of war! IMO. That's why you see US crafts keep sailing there. Nobody wants to hit the table, but that is an act of war.

    And if West will find a proof ... I don't think, they even look for the proof. The shit will just start to fly ... mark my words!

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    Look out... Here comes the 3rd villainous protagonist

    https://www.rt.com/news/486194-study-coronavirus-southern-china/

    Neither ‘lab’ nor ‘wet market’? Covid-19 outbreak started months EARLIER and NOT in Wuhan, ongoing Cambridge study indicates

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    And still more research here....
    "There's no reason to believe this was made in a lab," Dr. Robert Shafer, professor of Infectious Diseases at Stanford Medical School, told ABC News. "There are many strains in nature that could cause this type of outbreak."

    The plot thickens.

     

     

    https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/scientists-strong-evidence-coronavirus...

     

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    Where's everybody here?  ... POTUS has spoken ..

     

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/critics-slam-trump-claiming-china...

     

    At the conclusion of a week that saw the already-tense relationship between the US and China further strained by reports of CPC-sanctioned skullduggery during the early days of the outbreak in Wuhan, President Trump decided to kick things up a notch during his Friday task force press briefing, where he said for the first time that if Beijing was "knowingly responsible" for unleashing the virus on the world, then it should face "consequences."

    Here's the exact quote, courtesy of Reuters:

    "It could have been stopped in China before it started and it wasn’t, and the whole world is suffering because of it," Trump said.

    "If it was a mistake, a mistake is a mistake. But if they were knowingly responsible, yeah, I mean, then sure there should be consequences," Trump said. He did not elaborate on what actions the United States might take.

    Let's take a step back for those who haven't been closely following the back-and-forth between Trump and Beijing: Trump triggered a torrent of criticism from the mainstream US and international press by revoking US funding for the WHO pending an investigation into a 'coverup' implying that the WHO helped China conceal the seriousness of the outbreak in Wuhan during its early days.

    As far as the world knows, China didn't officially notify the WHO and the rest of the international community about the outbreak until New Year's Eve, 2019. Though during the weeks before, whispers about an outbreak emerged as 8 doctors from Wuhan tried to warn the public before being abruptly silenced by local police. Beijing has blamed this early suppression entirely on local officials and promised to "nail them to the pillar of shame for all of history." However, local officials around the country have reportedly defended their actions by accusing Beijing of tying their hands.

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    I just noticed the cleverness of the title of this thread. "It's been going viral that Corona virus was created, please how true is this? “. Kudos sir.

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    A: Going to HK would be the best bet I reckon, especially if you were loo
    A:Going to HK would be the best bet I reckon, especially if you were looking for a church wedding. Chinese weddings are pretty grim IMO - you go to a barren govt dept with souless officials and navigate red tape so some guy can give you a red stamp and a marriage book. You get expensive pictures taken of you both posing in places you'd never go to in everyday life that is somehow supposed to represent your wedding, then a while later it's off to a restaurant where a game show host kind of guy makes sure it's as tacky as possible while the guests eat as fast as they can so they can leave as soon as they finish eating and gave you money. Hell, I'd go to Thailand or the Philippines and get married in Paradise.   -- Stiggs